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Posted: 4/1/2006 11:12:52 PM EDT
Went and saw the movie tonite. What a thinly veiled conspiracy theory about conservative politics. It made me sick to watch the scripted soliloquy about the persecution of homosexuals, the koran, artists, musicians, actors. The entire story was a tribute to terrorists. Want my $$$ back
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 12:00:35 AM EDT
Well, I know it's a dupe to the dupe degree, but I'll throw in my opinion...

V for Vendetta was amazing. It's now by far my favorite movie. You have to look at the essential lessons of freedom, and realize that some of their liberal points DO make sense - look at Nazi Germany. How would you feel being homosexual then, being rounded up to go to Auschwitz?
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 12:09:14 AM EDT
if its any consolation the original creator disavowed any connection with it.

Of course its still crap.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 12:09:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sniper_Wolfe:
Well, I know it's a dupe to the dupe degree, but I'll throw in my opinion...

V for Vendetta was amazing. It's now by far my favorite movie. You have to look at the essential lessons of freedom, and realize that some of their liberal points DO make sense - look at Nazi Germany. How would you feel being homosexual then, being rounded up to go to Auschwitz?



I saw it tonight as well and loved it. I may not trust 99% of people who own a Koran, but its anybodys God given right to peacefully worship as they please. It really made me want to hord up some more guns and ammo.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 12:13:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Kalahnikid:

Originally Posted By Sniper_Wolfe:
Well, I know it's a dupe to the dupe degree, but I'll throw in my opinion...

V for Vendetta was amazing. It's now by far my favorite movie. You have to look at the essential lessons of freedom, and realize that some of their liberal points DO make sense - look at Nazi Germany. How would you feel being homosexual then, being rounded up to go to Auschwitz?



I saw it tonight as well and loved it. I may not trust 99% of people who own a Koran, but its anybodys God given right to peacefully worship as they please. It really made me want to hord up some more guns and ammo.



I own a Koran. I'm not Muslim and haven't read it. I figure at some point I may become interested.

+1 to not trusting most of the owners though.

I bought the original comic from Amazon, and I'm just starting that now. The movie was simply excellent, I hope the comic is as good. V seems more eloquent in the movie, but perhaps that is a symptom of spoken language.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 12:16:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/2/2006 1:21:22 AM EDT by tekloid]

Originally Posted By :
Went and saw the movie tonite. What a thinly veiled conspiracy theory about conservative politics. It made me sick to watch the scripted soliloquy about the persecution of homosexuals, the koran, artists, musicians, actors. The entire story was a tribute to terrorists. Want my $$$ back



Where in the sticks do you live that you didn't know what this movie was about? I call fake. I want my two minutes back.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 12:35:46 AM EDT
it was a good movie people, dont be afraid to see it. some people are just mad because they had to think a little when they watched it. it's a clever movie.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 5:41:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/2/2006 5:45:58 AM EDT by ClayP]
Am I posting on the right board? This film is a wet-dream for Move-On.org. I am surprised that it was released so far ahead of the congressional elections. While it may have some great acting/cinematography, the whole film noir appeal was erased by the Dean-esque overtones. Did anyone catch the "coalition of the willing" flag in the tv show hosts art vault? Similar to this flag but with the stars and bars?

This film makes Tim McVeigh a hero. This film makes the 9/11 attackers heros. The heroine should have been cast to Janeane Garofalo. Her mom could have been Cindy Sheehan. Her TV boss should have been Michael Moore, or Bill Maher. The virus could have been "bird flu" or "HIV" which of course is a right-wing conspiracy to create fear-mongering and make pharmaceutical profits. The only thing they did not get a chance to demonize was pro-lifers, because they are the real terroristsJust looking up the reviews for this I notice that the San Francisco Chronicle give it "100 - In 'Vendetta,' disastrous U.S. and British policymaking gives rise to terrorism -- what a shocker."

Sorry, some of you need to think a little harder about this movie. The kool-aid sure tastes sweet, so it must be good!
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 5:59:03 AM EDT
I haven't seen it yet, but if JPFO is recommending it, I think I'll have to check it out.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 6:06:50 AM EDT
I had read the book in the early 90's. It was written in the late 80's. I think the movie did a good job of bringing the story in the book to the screen. There were some parts that were different, like the ending. I liked the book ending better.

I like the story and I think the movie mostly captured the story. There were parts that were obvious jabs at current political events, but I just took that as context without giving too much credit to some of the specific positions. Some of the issues cited as reasons people hated it were just filler to support the plot as far as I'm concerned. Sure, you can tell something about the politics of the makers from that, but is anyone truly surprised that movie companies use their products to sell their politics?

ClayP, how does this movie makes people heroes who were nobody when the story was written? One of the key points I took from the story is that "terrorist" is a term you use to villify your enemy. It's meant to emotionally manipulate the public into taking your side. George Washington was a terrorist as far as the British were concerned.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 6:06:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ClayP:
Am I posting on the right board? This film is a wet-dream for Move-On.org. I am surprised that it was released so far ahead of the congressional elections. While it may have some great acting/cinematography, the whole film noir appeal was erased by the Dean-esque overtones. Did anyone catch the "coalition of the willing" flag in the tv show hosts art vault?images.google.com/images?q=tbn:iuZyBFTRre8C3M:upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Nazi_Germany_flag.JPG/200px-Nazi_Germany_flag.JPG Similar to this flag but with the stars and bars? images.google.com/images?q=tbn:h85Vy2fqZw7R4M:www.nsm88.com/merchandise/flags/germanimperial.jpg

This film makes Tim McVeigh a hero. This film makes the 9/11 attackers heros. The heroine should have been cast to Janeane Garofalo. Her mom could have been Cindy Sheehan. Her TV boss should have been Michael Moore, or Bill Maher. The virus could have been "bird flu" or "HIV" which of course is a right-wing conspiracy to create fear-mongering and make pharmaceutical profits. The only thing they did not get a chance to demonize was pro-lifers, because they are the real terroristsJust looking up the reviews for this I notice that the San Francisco Chronicle give it "100 - In 'Vendetta,' disastrous U.S. and British policymaking gives rise to terrorism -- what a shocker."

Sorry, some of you need to think a little harder about this movie. The kool-aid sure tastes sweet, so it must be good!



The movie is marxist; America bashing crap. I am amazed that people cannot see it for what it is. I guess the young and dumb crew think it's great. Try to understand life beyond comic books and video games.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 6:15:07 AM EDT

This film makes Tim McVeigh a hero.


hell, if he had blown up an IRS building in the dark of night with no dead kiddies for the cameras to catch, many people would have thought him a hero.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 6:45:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ClayP:
Went and saw the movie tonite. What a thinly veiled conspiracy theory about conservative politics. It made me sick to watch the scripted soliloquy about the persecution of homosexuals, the koran, artists, musicians, actors. The entire story was a tribute to terrorists. Want my $$$ back




So you would like to live in a society that was depicted in the movie? Just remember that an ultra conservative .gov will be just as terrible as an ultra liberal .gov. Extremes either way will strip your liberties! The High Chancelor was nothing but a tyrant in the movie along with his cronies. I loved the movie and is on my list to buy when it comes out on dvd. I guess you see what you want to see in the story.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 7:29:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/2/2006 7:31:38 AM EDT by ClayP]
There is no doubt that the society depicted in the story is what people say the Bush administration is today -

political leader comes to power in the midst of tumultuous times, has faith-based convictions
nation has eaves-dropping monitors - patriot act
detains prisoners deemed dangerous to the nation - guantanamo
party has strong ties to corporations - KBR/Halliburton
fears of 3 water virus - bird flu/HIV
anti-gay - marriage act
neocon tv host - O'Reilly,


I am not asking anyone not to watch it. You may enjoy it for the noir aspect. But make no mistake this film/script was written/adapted as an explicit critique of the America today, regardless of the book or comic strip it was based on. It is nothing less than a shaved & declawed Fahrenheit 911 that has been prettied-up with some mascara and some of you guys are raving about how good it makes you tingle inside. Just don't pretend it's not what it is.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 7:34:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/2/2006 7:35:32 AM EDT by dolanp]
Out of the woodwork come the Bush worshippers who interestingly are the first ones to draw a connection between him and this movie (what does that suggest?).

If you can't tell the difference between terrorists killing innocents of another country and people rising up against their OWN oppressive fascist government, then it's no surprise this movie is lost on you.

George Washington was a big terrorist according to some of you guys.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 9:04:01 AM EDT
I really enjoyed the movie... I think it can be taken in whatever context you want to. Me ? I just sat down and really enjoyed a movie.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 7:22:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DeltaDelta214:

Originally Posted By ClayP:
Am I posting on the right board? This film is a wet-dream for Move-On.org. I am surprised that it was released so far ahead of the congressional elections. While it may have some great acting/cinematography, the whole film noir appeal was erased by the Dean-esque overtones. Did anyone catch the "coalition of the willing" flag in the tv show hosts art vault?images.google.com/images?q=tbn:iuZyBFTRre8C3M:upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Nazi_Germany_flag.JPG/200px-Nazi_Germany_flag.JPG Similar to this flag but with the stars and bars? images.google.com/images?q=tbn:h85Vy2fqZw7R4M:www.nsm88.com/merchandise/flags/germanimperial.jpg

This film makes Tim McVeigh a hero. This film makes the 9/11 attackers heros. The heroine should have been cast to Janeane Garofalo. Her mom could have been Cindy Sheehan. Her TV boss should have been Michael Moore, or Bill Maher. The virus could have been "bird flu" or "HIV" which of course is a right-wing conspiracy to create fear-mongering and make pharmaceutical profits. The only thing they did not get a chance to demonize was pro-lifers, because they are the real terroristsJust looking up the reviews for this I notice that the San Francisco Chronicle give it "100 - In 'Vendetta,' disastrous U.S. and British policymaking gives rise to terrorism -- what a shocker."

Sorry, some of you need to think a little harder about this movie. The kool-aid sure tastes sweet, so it must be good!



The movie is marxist; America bashing crap. I am amazed that people cannot see it for what it is. I guess the young and dumb crew think it's great. Try to understand life beyond comic books and video games.



Marxist? The movie was libertarian.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 7:34:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Katana16j:
if its any consolation the original creator disavowed any connection with it.

Of course its still crap.



Alan Moore is a douche, he would have disowned the damn thing no matter how it was done. I liked it.

p.s. Chancellor Sutler (the tyrant) is the same actor as Winston Smith (the oppressed) from the movie version of 1984.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 7:37:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/2/2006 7:39:11 PM EDT by WildBoar]

Originally Posted By Sniper_Wolfe:


Marxist? The movie was libertarian.



Marxists who like RKBA.

J/k just tossing a long on the fire.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 7:38:24 PM EDT
That's not what I saw, to me the government was a nationalist government. That is not the same as a conservative government, not by a long shot.

The conservative bashing came when the US was seen as a broken nation in the midst of a civil war because of it's war on terror. A civil war in the ole US' future, that I can see........

Besides, the hero turned against and fought an oppresive and dictatorial government. That alone gives it a plus in my book.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 7:39:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By spoonrobot:

Originally Posted By Katana16j:
if its any consolation the original creator disavowed any connection with it.

Of course its still crap.



Alan Moore is a douche, he would have disowned the damn thing no matter how it was done. I liked it.

p.s. Chancellor Sutler (the tyrant) is the same actor as Winston Smith (the oppressed) from the movie version of 1984.[/red



He was very convincing in both roles (particularly as Sutler), I think.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 7:51:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/2/2006 7:52:01 PM EDT by Yossarian]
Well my $0.2

I thought the movie was great.

Of course there were certain issues that were "anti-conservative" but there were a number of items that could be considered "anti-liberal".

The bottom line, and someone else mentioned this, it that the people rose up against an oppressive regime and actually fought back although without arms. The people recognized, after some coaxing, that their rosey lives, in a very SOCIALISTIC state, not unlike what would occur under an Ultra Liberal government, were not so rosey. I think it is important to note that most of the government intrusion in the movie would be a dream for many liberals.

And as Sader noted...The conservative bashing came when the US was seen as a broken nation in the midst of a civil war because of it's war on terror. A civil war in the ole US' future, that I can see....

Is this really that far fetched? The civil war in the movie was not only in response to disease and the war, but there were RACE wars going on too. I have read numerous posts with many arfcommers stating that scenario in the US has distinct potential.


Link Posted: 4/2/2006 7:53:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By spartacus2002:

This film makes Tim McVeigh a hero.


hell, if he had blown up an IRS building in the dark of night with no dead kiddies for the cameras to catch, many people would have thought him a hero.



I concur.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 7:56:34 PM EDT
If he would have used guns and armed the people it would have been cool. That and the homo and karan stuff was crap. They seemed to have a thing against christian religion as well.

Other than that it was a good flick
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 8:13:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/2/2006 8:15:08 PM EDT by Cold]

Originally Posted By spoonrobot:

Originally Posted By Katana16j:
if its any consolation the original creator disavowed any connection with it.

Of course its still crap.



Alan Moore is a douche, he would have disowned the damn thing no matter how it was done. I liked it.

p.s. Chancellor Sutler (the tyrant) is the same actor as Winston Smith (the oppressed) from the movie version of 1984.




He might not be the best guy, but I will say Alan Moore is a better writter then you. Im glad the movie is doing well, regardless of if he liked how it was done or not. His work "Watchmen" was nominated for a P. Prize back in 1986..."MAUS" by a rather FAMOUS New Yorker Artist won in a newly created catagory...the guy has tallent, if you choose not to recognize it, thats fine...call him a duche...well thats your uneducated opinion.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 8:33:09 PM EDT
I liked it reguardless of the political leanings of the goverment
the final outcome as always the same if allowed to go clear to one end or the other (In my opnion the political spectrum is circular you go to far either direction you end of with a oppressive monster )

Any movie which causes people to question their goverment and its motives is a good one to me


Link Posted: 4/2/2006 8:52:27 PM EDT
I thought it was sweet. I liked the fights, the explosions and the people joining to destroy an tyrant and his ruling structure.
Link Posted: 4/2/2006 8:54:50 PM EDT
If the filmmakers were trying to co-opt the libertarians and tinfoilers,...its working.
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