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Posted: 3/22/2006 7:08:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2006 7:10:57 AM EDT by AvengeR15]
I took a four day course last year that the National Guard payed for, which included offensive driving, VIP protection, pepper spray and baton certification, defensive tactics, and vehicle tactics. Lots of fun stuff, and without spending a penny. I finally found these pics on an old CD so I thought I'd post them for your enjoyment and scalding criticism.

I'm not in this picture, but this was the best action shot of the day so I thought I'd include it as well.





I'm in the foreground in this one, having just exited the vehicle during a simulated roadblock/ambush which we are unable to drive through. Fire a couple rounds out the windshield then get behind the vehicle and return fire through the glass, using the engine block ahead of you as cover.



In this one I'm driving the Suburban through a simulated roadblock, using good old Detroit steel to bash the blocking vehicle out of the way. Hit the rear wheelwell head on to push the lighter portion of the vehicle out of the way. I hit it at approximately 30 mph, tapping the breaks in the last five yards to lower the front bumper, then hitting the gas at the moment of impact to raise the bumper and push the vehicle, like a dozer blade. Note the shredded front tire on the Suburban, because the guy who rammed the Escort before me was too busy whooping it up to see he was driving straight into a drainage ditch at 25mph. I'm not sure what the American flag image on the front bumper of the Suburban is, but I assure you we did not have an American flag tied to the vehicle or any such nonsense.



We ended up crashing the Suburban six times that day, and it still was running strong, with only busted headlights and grille to show for it. The next day the owner brought two new tires and drove it forty miles home. They don't build 'em like that any more.


ETA: The training was conducted through Russ Adler & Associates at Dedicated Professionals. Good instructors, and great training. I've taken about five classes total from Russ and his crew, and have learned a lot along the way.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:11:35 AM EDT
I went through a JTF bodyguard course but I don't remember shooting through the windsheilds.

Great pics. Thanks for sharing.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:11:43 AM EDT
Looks neat. What were the through-the-windshield shots aimed at? And did they hit the target?

Always wanted to try that, but I don't know if that's covered under warranty...
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:14:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2006 7:15:09 AM EDT by mjohn3006]
Cool!

I bet shooting through the windshield without hearing protection would suck.

And hey wait! The 9mm actually went through the glass?
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:16:50 AM EDT
Awesome.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:21:02 AM EDT
Shooting through a windshield while in the car? We were always required to jump out and shoot.

Looks like fun.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:24:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2006 7:24:47 AM EDT by quijanos]
Have an uncle working for .gub that went thru a similar course before deploying to the Middle East.
He told me that after multiple wrecked cars and shooting thru ALL the windshields that he went home expecting a wrecker to show up everytime he stopped his POV


Very cool pics
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:25:56 AM EDT
I like the the window shoot-thru pic.

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:28:10 AM EDT
Very cool.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:28:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
And hey wait! The 9mm actually went through the glass?



Shoot! 9mm probably is the most penetrating round for that type of barrier. Say what you want about he 9mm (I don't carry one). But penetration is not one of its shortcomings.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:32:21 AM EDT
-----------Hit the rear wheelwell head on to push the lighter portion of the vehicle out of the way. I hit it at approximately 30 mph, tapping the breaks in the last five yards to lower the front bumper, then hitting the gas at the moment of impact to raise the bumper and push the vehicle, like a dozer blade. ---------------

Thats good info !!
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:33:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:35:32 AM EDT
In-vehicle shooting training is fun!

Louder than hell, but fun.

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:35:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2006 7:36:08 AM EDT by ar15bubba]
What windsheild did Robert DeNiro shoot through in HEAT?

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:38:36 AM EDT
I thought 9mm would just bounce off auto glass!
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:40:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2006 11:31:12 AM EDT by Cincinnatus]
Did some of that with SSI at VIR in Danville, VA.
Nothing but fun.

Not very practical, but fun.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:44:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
In-vehicle shooting training is fun!

Louder than hell, but fun.




Yup. I volunteered my truck for my class. We took off the antenna and didn't shoot thru the windsheild however!
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:47:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
Looks neat. What were the through-the-windshield shots aimed at? And did they hit the target?




We had two or three silhouette targets about ten yards in front of the vehicle as an aiming point.


I bet shooting through the windshield without hearing protection would suck.



I can't speculate on that, but one thing that really surprised me is that after only a couple of rounds you can barely see through the windshield, because of the gunsmoke in the enclosed space, plus the carbon that plasters itself to the windshield. It isn't like in Heat, where he had good visiblity while firing off about half a mag or more.

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 7:52:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AvengeR15:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
Looks neat. What were the through-the-windshield shots aimed at? And did they hit the target?




We had two or three silhouette targets about ten yards in front of the vehicle as an aiming point.


I bet shooting through the windshield without hearing protection would suck.



I can't speculate on that, but one thing that really surprised me is that after only a couple of rounds you can barely see through the windshield, because of the gunsmoke in the enclosed space, plus the carbon that plasters itself to the windshield. It isn't like in Heat, where he had good visiblity while firing off about half a mag or more.




Well, that training looks cool as all hell. Thanks for the info!
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 8:09:19 AM EDT
Looks like a great time
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:22:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Did some of that with SCI at VIR in Danville, VA.
Nothing but fun.

Not very practical, but fun.



Danville is my second home. I am familiar with VIR but who the heck is SCI???

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:30:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:
Did some of that with SCI SSI at VIR in Danville, VA.
Nothing but fun.

Not very practical, but fun.



Danville is my second home. I am familiar with VIR but who the heck is SCI???



I mis-typed.
It's SSI, not SCI.

It's the course the Marine Corps, DSS and other agencies send their personnel who are going overseas into High Risk assignments.

www.virclub.com/vir/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=6&Itemid=48
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 11:33:39 AM EDT
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