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Posted: 3/20/2006 9:49:42 AM EDT
Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-20-06 12:39 AM
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How to spot a baby conservative (whiny children - study)
How to spot a baby conservative

Whiny children, claims a new study, tend to grow up rigid and traditional. Future liberals, on the other hand ...

Mar. 19, 2006
KURT KLEINER
SPECIAL TO THE STAR

Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative. At least, he did if he was one of 95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists have been tracking for the last 20 years. The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.

The study from the Journal of Research Into Personality isn't going to make the UC Berkeley professor who published it any friends on the right. Similar conclusions a few years ago from another academic saw him excoriated on right-wing blogs, and even led to a Congressional investigation into his research funding.

But the new results are worth a look. In the 1960s Jack Block and his wife and fellow professor Jeanne Block (now deceased) began tracking more than 100 nursery school kids as part of a general study of personality. The kids' personalities were rated at the time by teachers and assistants who had known them for months. There's no reason to think political bias skewed the ratings — the investigators were not looking at political orientation back then. Even if they had been, it's unlikely that 3- and 4-year-olds would have had much idea about their political leanings.

A few decades later, Block followed up with more surveys, looking again at personality, and this time at politics, too. The whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity.

I this a bad thing?


http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1142722231554
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 9:52:30 AM EDT

The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.


whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative.



Did the defenition of liberal and conservative suddenly just change?

Whiny, insecure, complaining to authority figures, persecution complex - sounds like a Liberal
Confident, resilient, self-reliant - umm....thats what a conservative is.

WTF?
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 9:53:33 AM EDT
Exactly what I was about to say.

So whiney, needy kids grow up to be conservatives, and self-reliant kids grow up to be liberals who can't live without the government?
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 9:53:35 AM EDT
Self reliant and liberal don't belong together.

Thus, this is obviously a flawed study.

Non-whiny probably means compliant little sheeple who were easy to lead astray.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 9:54:12 AM EDT
Aren't all kids whiney?
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 9:56:36 AM EDT
I used to flash girls in elementary school. What does this make me?!
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 9:59:37 AM EDT
On a simpler note, as adults, the whiny kids are self-confident, traditional, patriotic, self-reliant types and the mature, quiet kids become whiny, needy, annoying adults?

I wouldn't be bragging about that at DU if I were them.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:03:53 AM EDT
Flawed logic.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:09:34 AM EDT
I hated Do-gooder rats that always ran to the teacher when something was wrong or somebody was acting up in Elementary, Middle, and High School... Now, I really fucking hate it as an adult. By this Professors rationale, I'm a gun toting liberal!

Fuckin'-A
~Dg84
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:12:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:12:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Breakfast_Fox:
I used to flash girls in elementary school. What does this make me?!



I was always in trouble for beating up bullies.

I also lost alot.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:15:45 AM EDT
Yep, conservatives get that whiny crap out of the way when they are children.

Liberals are perpetual children who never grow up so they are eternally whiny.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:18:23 AM EDT
Liberals would love to identify babies who will become conservative so they can kill them early on.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:18:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative. At least, he did if he was one of 95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists have been tracking for the last 20 years. The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.



Me thinks there sample is a bit skewed.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:21:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hipster:
Yep, conservatives get that whiny crap out of the way when they are children.

Liberals are perpetual children who never grow up so they are eternally whiny.



+1
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:22:08 AM EDT
WTF

Should be the other way around...

Liberals tend to be whiny little pukes...



Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:22:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.


whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative.



Did the defenition of liberal and conservative suddenly just change?

Whiny, insecure, complaining to authority figures, persecution complex - sounds like a Liberal
Confident, resilient, self-reliant - umm....thats what a conservative is.

WTF?



Control the language when you can't change reality.


War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength

-George Orwell



The whole "assault weapon" thing is a perfect example. Make up a scary term, apply it to objects you don't like and demonize them in the process. Now just about every sheeple thinks "assault weapon" == "black gun" == "machine gun".

This DUh post sounds like more of the same tactic Can't win by telling the truth, make the other side out to be wrong by flipping the definitions around. Remember the meanings of "conservative" and "liberal" have already been flipped in this country from what they originally meant.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:23:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:26:33 AM EDT

The kids' personalities were rated at the time by teachers and assistants who had known them for months.


There's the key. Its how the baby sitters rated them.


Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints?


Translation: These were the kids who were always causing trouble, and had the audacity to challenge authority. This is "whiny" to the nanny types who were doing the observations.


The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals


Translation: Baaaaaa. These kids shut up and did what they were told without question. In the nanny's mind this makes them confident, and self-reliant, but in actuality they are simply the kids who did whatever they were told. Fine quality for a child, poor quality for a citizen.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:33:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By HardShell:



+1billion
DU can go screw itself with these weird, half assed studies that really don't prove shit
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:34:35 AM EDT
No bias here naaa...


from the Berkeley area


the UC Berkeley professor who published it
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:36:25 AM EDT
Exactly... track 20 kids from the BEREKELY area? WTF? An overwhelmingly LIBERAL area and try to reason that the kid who grew up to be conservative is representative of conservatives nationwide?

Oh well, I bet the DUh'ers will take it like it's gospel. We are again seeing how wonderfully flawed their logic and reasoning is.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:37:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/20/2006 10:42:20 AM EDT by Adam_White]

Originally Posted By happycynic:

The kids' personalities were rated at the time by teachers and assistants who had known them for months.


There's the key. Its how the baby sitters rated them.


Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints?


Translation: These were the kids who were always causing trouble, and had the audacity to challenge authority. This is "whiny" to the nanny types who were doing the observations.


The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals


Translation: Baaaaaa. These kids shut up and did what they were told without question. In the nanny's mind this makes them confident, and self-reliant, but in actuality they are simply the kids who did whatever they were told. Fine quality for a child, poor quality for a citizen.



Interesting assessment. I was thinking along those same lines, in that maybe the so-called "whiny" kids were the ones who didn't just mindlessly follow the herd and "did not play well with others." I know for a fact that described - still describes - me. FWIW, I grew up in a heavily liberal urban area.

This is especially pertinent - as others have pointed out - when you consider that to become "conservative" in the Berkeley area means to buck the predominant mindset and be VERY shunned by your peers for being different. There is no reason at this time to not think the same may be true for kids who grow up "liberal" in "conservative" parts of the country.

I also wonder if parental influence was factored into this?

I would like to get my hands on this study - was this published in a peer-reviewed journal?
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:39:00 AM EDT

the UC Berkeley professor who published it


ANY QUESTIONS?????
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:40:55 AM EDT
How to Spot a Baby Conservative: they make it out of the womb alive.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:41:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ghengiskhabb:

Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative. At least, he did if he was one of 95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists have been tracking for the last 20 years. The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.



Me thinks there sample is a bit skewed.




Berkley, where whiny was invented.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:43:07 AM EDT
I'd like to become a member of academia just so I can tell people "you're full of shit; don't ever publish again".
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:43:33 AM EDT
So, the whiney kids don't grow up to be a$$ pounders?

Funny, you'd think it would be just the opposite.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 10:46:08 AM EDT
So a conservative as a kid will act like one and grow up, while the liberal kid has his best years at age 2. Proves everything that I have thought before.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 11:01:20 AM EDT
seems to me the liberals are the panic stricken, emotionally stressed-out protesters who can't handle life without some agency intervening to help them cope with the global disaster in their lives. They are also the ones who boast of their grand achievements but fail to be able to produce actual statistics or results to prove their claims...millionaire liberals who give a few bucks and make sure the publicity is costing more than the actual gift given, for example...
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 1:31:20 PM EDT
studies have shown, time and time again, that infants who cry more are left on their own to a much higher degree. this results in their development of emotional self-sustainment and greater autonomy.

the quiet infants, on the other hand, are usually much more quickly comforted when they do have a problem, and therefore learn emotional dependence.

don't we have a sociology student somewhere around here who can look up the primary study?
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 1:33:40 PM EDT

Damn. Left desperation is really bleeding out into the open lately.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 1:41:49 PM EDT
Most 25 year olds are liberals. Paying taxes will convert them.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 2:02:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/20/2006 2:13:20 PM EDT by JIMBEAM]

Originally Posted By sirensong:
studies have shown, time and time again, that infants who cry more are left on their own to a much higher degree. this results in their development of emotional self-sustainment and greater autonomy.

the quiet infants, on the other hand, are usually much more quickly comforted when they do have a problem, and therefore learn emotional dependence.

don't we have a sociology student somewhere around here who can look up the primary study?



That makes sense, I spent the first month of my life in an incubator.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 2:07:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/20/2006 2:07:59 PM EDT by Gatchaman]
The ones from Berkeley that grow up liberal sit quiet, because their step dad keep blowing the bong hits in their face.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 2:09:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/20/2006 2:09:48 PM EDT by blacklisted]

Originally Posted By BlammO:
Liberals would love to identify babies who will become conservative so they can kill them early on.



You're probably right.

It would be the opposite of the Spartans.

A race of pussies.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 2:13:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 2:21:47 PM EDT
This is news?

Liberals grow up and become conservative.
It's natural.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 2:30:43 PM EDT
Hmm... Sounds like the author is equivicating the kids most people hate to the adults liberals hate.

SOUNDS LIKE FUN CHARLIE.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 2:36:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By A-nus:
No bias here naaa...


from the Berkeley area


the UC Berkeley professor who published it



Which means..Liberals = Liars.

SOS.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 4:17:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sirensong:
studies have shown, time and time again, that infants who cry more are left on their own to a much higher degree. this results in their development of emotional self-sustainment and greater autonomy.

the quiet infants, on the other hand, are usually much more quickly comforted when they do have a problem, and therefore learn emotional dependence.

don't we have a sociology student somewhere around here who can look up the primary study?



Other way around in our family. Crying lead to getting put into a roller thingy so we couldn't hurt ourselves (the one where the kid can move by "walking") and put in the bathroom. I'd be out like a light in less than 5 minutes. My brother would bawl his head off for upwards of 10.

I was a "quiet" infant. My younger brother wasn't. Guess which one's the emotionally dependent one?
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 5:24:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ken_mays:
How to Spot a Baby Conservative: they make it out of the womb alive.

Link Posted: 3/20/2006 5:26:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 5:28:39 PM EDT
maybe they just worked the self reliance out of their system early.... who knows
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 6:04:55 AM EDT

Did these Berkeley "scientists" ever attempt to reconcile their findings with this:

Republicans happier than Democrats

Some 45% of all Republicans report being very happy, compared with just 30% of Democrats and 29% of independents. This finding has also been around a long time; Republicans have been happier than Democrats every year since the General Social Survey began taking its measurements in 1972. Pew surveys since 1991 also show a partisan gap on happiness; the current 16 percentage point gap is among the largest in Pew surveys, rivaled only by a 17 point gap in February 2003.

Could it be that Republicans are so much happier now because their party controls all the levers of federal power? Not likely. Since 1972, the GOP happiness edge over Democrats has ebbed and flowed in a pattern that appears unrelated to which party is in political power.
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If one controls for household income, Republicans still hold a significant edge: that is, poor Republicans are happier than poor Democrats; middle-income Republicans are happier than middle-income Democrats, and rich Republicans are happier than rich Democrats.
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Conservative Republicans are happier than conservative Democrats, and moderate/liberal Republicans are happier than liberal Democrats.



Link Posted: 3/22/2006 6:15:13 AM EDT
Liberals think the major media is conservative.

Does that also apply to their definition of a conservative person?

Furthermore, a single study of under 100 subjects doesn't really impress me. Has it been peer reviewed? Has it been replicated? Me thinks not.

John
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 6:16:19 AM EDT
I'm going to publish my own survey that says liberals are lying bastards. I wonder how that'll go over at DU...
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 1:26:15 PM EDT
This is worth a good laugh.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 1:30:13 PM EDT

The whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity.


And this is a bad thing ... why?
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 1:32:57 PM EDT

The whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity.



I'm not up on my doublespeak this week. Somebody help me out: is "ambiguity", as used in the sentence above, a synonym for "his mustache tickles my balls"?
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 1:33:49 PM EDT
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