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Posted: 3/14/2006 3:37:47 PM EDT
I hope not!

www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123017298



F-16 crashes into Korean West Sea

3/14/2006 - KUNSAN AIR BASE, South Korea -- An Air Force F-16C Fighting Falcon from the 35th Fighter Squadron here crashed into the West Sea during a training mission at about 9:30 a.m. today.

The aircraft's pilot ejected safely and was rescued by a South Korean air force helicopter at about 10:25 a.m.

The pilot was transported to the Kunsan Air Base medical clinic and is in good condition.

Eight Fighter Wing leaders praised the swift response of the Korean HH-60 helicopter crew that recovered the pilot from waters estimated at 41 degrees by base weather officials.

“Today’s rescue shows the great cooperation and support we receive from our ROKAF partners and reaffirms the benefit of joint training,” said Col. Brian Bishop, wing commander. “We’re very happy that the pilot has been safely recovered and is back at Kunsan in good condition.”

A board of qualified officers is investigating the accident.




Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:40:17 PM EDT
DOH!!!!! I hope he isn't!!!!

Especially not so close to rotating back home!!



Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:53:26 PM EDT
Pardon my ignorance, But is part of the investigation accounting for all the tools ?
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 3:57:02 PM EDT
Shit, 41 degree water. Wonder how long a human would last? Kudos to the rescue team.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:01:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JustinOK34:
Shit, 41 degree water. Wonder how long a human would last? Kudos to the rescue team.



Hopefully the pilots wear Mustang (survival) suits when flying overwater around there. We had to wear them in Iceland in our heloes. Our pilots were actually switching over to commercial drysuits, worn under a flight suit, more comfortable to fly in they say. I think with a survival suit on you have a couple of hours at best till you are dead. We had a U-2 crash in Korea in about 96 or so, the pilot actually drowned. He took off the helmet when his emergency oxygen bottle ran out and water got in the spacesuit and drug him under. You can't get into or out of a space suit by yourself.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:05:32 PM EDT
Since the pilot is ok, I'll direct my sorrow to the Pararescue guys that didn't get to go have fun in the ice-water.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:08:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 4:12:09 PM EDT by Chairborne]

Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470:
Since the pilot is ok, I'll direct my sorrow to the Pararescue guys that didn't get to go have fun in the ice-water.





I know the 31st from Kadena has a Det at Osan, the ROKs must have been closer. Those PJs LOVE that cold shit, they would do night water ops at 0200 in January (in Iceland). They had a big horse trough they filled with hot water that they would jump in to thaw out.

eta:
The egress guys will be happy tonight, the seat worked and they'll be drinking free beer.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:18:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By weptek911:
Pardon my ignorance, But is part of the investigation accounting for all the tools ?



Yes, in addition to interviewing the technicians, expiditer (s), and the Production Super who signed off the ER. Oh, this shit is just getting started.

B_S
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:24:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By weptek911:
Pardon my ignorance, But is part of the investigation accounting for all the tools ?



Yes.

I speak Navy, not Air Force....

If an aircraft is involved in a mishap the command that "owns" the aircraft pulls out the mishap incident report binder and starts running the checklist.

The maintenance department will do some of the following (not all inclusive).

Impound the logbooks.

Look up the last 24-48 hours worth of gripes and identify the shops that worked on the aircraft.

Find out of the last required phased/cycled/calander inspections were performed and signed off.

Find the serial number of the last fuel truck that fueled the aircraft and then impound the truck.
Pull fuel sample from the fuel farm tank that serviced the truck for inspection.

Identify the last LOX (oxygen) servicing unit used to servce the aircraft.
Pull a sample from the LOX servicing unit for inspection.
Pull a sample from the LOX farm tank that serviced the LOX cart.

Identify the maintenance workers, possibly send them to medical for a piss test (samples).

Inventory the shop and tool room tools.

There are a lot of small details that are investigated.

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:32:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

The egress guys will be happy tonight, the seat worked and they'll be drinking free beer.



And Martin-Baker gets to send a patch to frozen wet zipper suiter.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:47:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:
-snip-
I speak Navy, not Air Force....

If an aircraft is involved in a mishap the command that "owns" the aircraft pulls out the mishap incident report binder and starts running the checklist.

The maintenance department will do some of the following (not all inclusive).

Impound the logbooks.

Look up the last 24-48 hours worth of gripes and identify the shops that worked on the aircraft.

Find out of the last required phased/cycled/calander inspections were performed and signed off.

Find the serial number of the last fuel truck that fueled the aircraft and then impound the truck.
Pull fuel sample from the fuel farm tank that serviced the truck for inspection.

Identify the last LOX (oxygen) servicing unit used to servce the aircraft.
Pull a sample from the LOX servicing unit for inspection.
Pull a sample from the LOX farm tank that serviced the LOX cart.

Identify the maintenance workers, possibly send them to medical for a piss test (samples).

Inventory the shop and tool room tools.

There are a lot of small details that are investigated.




Never had to do a piss test after a mishap,either as an individual or as a squardron...Did quite a few reclamations.

Let's see.... I believe that we lost a total of 6 birds while I was in.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:50:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hydguy:

Originally Posted By KA3B:
-snip-
I speak Navy, not Air Force....

If an aircraft is involved in a mishap the command that "owns" the aircraft pulls out the mishap incident report binder and starts running the checklist.

The maintenance department will do some of the following (not all inclusive).

Impound the logbooks.

Look up the last 24-48 hours worth of gripes and identify the shops that worked on the aircraft.

Find out of the last required phased/cycled/calander inspections were performed and signed off.

Find the serial number of the last fuel truck that fueled the aircraft and then impound the truck.
Pull fuel sample from the fuel farm tank that serviced the truck for inspection.

Identify the last LOX (oxygen) servicing unit used to servce the aircraft.
Pull a sample from the LOX servicing unit for inspection.
Pull a sample from the LOX farm tank that serviced the LOX cart.

Identify the maintenance workers, possibly send them to medical for a piss test (samples).

Inventory the shop and tool room tools.

There are a lot of small details that are investigated.




Never had to do a piss test after a mishap,either as an individual or as a squardron...Did quite a few reclamations.

Let's see.... I believe that we lost a total of 6 birds while I was in.



You were Navy or Af? I have had to give 10 vials of blood and two samples of piss for all 5 Class A mishaps I have been involved with.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:51:46 PM EDT
FOD...!
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:52:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hydguy:
Never had to do a piss test after a mishap,either as an individual or as a squardron...Did quite a few reclamations.
Let's see.... I believe that we lost a total of 6 birds while I was in.



When were you in and were you directly involved with working on a safety of flight gripe immedialty before the aircraft had its mishap?

I myself have never had to take a wizz-quizz for an aircraft mishap as either a maintainer or as an Aircrewman, but as a shop LPO I have had to escort a couple of guys from the mech shop who changed out the linkage of an TA-7C fuel control because that aircraft crashed (but not due to any engine problems).
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:53:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Noname:
FOD...!


+100 it'll get you everytime...
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 4:55:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JFP:

Originally Posted By Noname:
FOD...!


+100 it'll get you everytime...



The F-16 is a FOD magnet.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 5:02:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Blue_Suiter:

Originally Posted By weptek911:
Pardon my ignorance, But is part of the investigation accounting for all the tools ?



Yes, in addition to interviewing the technicians, expiditer (s), and the Production Super who signed off the ER. Oh, this shit is just getting started.

B_S



SR-71 engine mishap
During the development of the J-58 engine for the SR-71, an inspector left his flashlight on the engine intake. During run up, it was sucked right into the engine. $250,000 in damage.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 5:06:31 PM EDT
That Viper had a GE motor. Wouldn't have happened if it was a Pratt & Whitney!
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 5:20:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 5:52:45 PM EDT by KA3B]

Originally Posted By JustinOK34:
That Viper had a GE motor. Wouldn't have happened if it was a Pratt & Whitney!



Pratt & Whitney
Dependable Decrepit Engines.

I worked with a guy who wore this patch (below) but it read decrepit instead of dependable and the eagle was replaced with a hungover black-eyed buzzard with a ciggerette in its beak.

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 5:23:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By photokirk:
During the development of the J-58 engine for the SR-71, an inspector left his flashlight on the engine intake. During run up, it was sucked right into the engine. $250,000 in damage.



We got a C-130 back from Cherry Point rework, had some fuel problems, the filters on the port side were clogging up with "foam".
After three days of flushing the fuel tanks and changing the filters the mechs popped the upper wing fuel access panels.
They found a 4 inch thick 5 X 3 foot mattress stuffed in the tank.

The rework guys from Cherry Point used it as a cushion when they worked inside the tank.

Needless to say the Aircrew that had flown in that aircraft were not amused.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 5:28:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 5:28:44 PM EDT by Chairborne]

Originally Posted By KA3B:

Originally Posted By JustinOK34:
That Viper had a GE motor. Wouldn't have happened if it was a Pratt & Whitney!



Pratt & Whitney
Dependable Decrepit Engines.

I worked with a guy who wore this patch (below) but it read decrepit instead of dependable and the eagle was replaced with a hungover black-eyed buzzard with a ciggerette in its beak.

www.planefacts.co.uk/patch/miscalanious/images/p&w_jpg.jpg





they don't allow hotlinking of images, they have a nice STOP THEIF thing though!
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 5:53:08 PM EDT
Does this work better?

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:01:34 PM EDT
I probably worked on that aircraft But that was about nine years ago
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:02:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:

Originally Posted By JFP:

Originally Posted By Noname:
FOD...!


+100 it'll get you everytime...



The F-16 is a FOD magnet.



The intake even looks like a mouth. munch, munch
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:06:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WooDy_the_infidel:

Originally Posted By KA3B:

Originally Posted By JFP:

Originally Posted By Noname:
FOD...!


+100 it'll get you everytime...



The F-16 is a FOD magnet.



The intake even looks like a mouth. munch, munch





Feeeeeeeeeed me Wilbur....I'm so huuuuungry!

I think its fawking hilarious that we do FOD walks (walkdowns for the Navy types) for C-130s, C-17s, HH-60s etc which all land on dirt and gravel all the time, just because some stupid lawn darts FOD out all the time from tiny pebbles on the ramp. I say instead of a FOD walk, we just have them taxi through our ramp once a week, should take care of it. The $40M hoover will get all the dirt!
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:32:39 PM EDT
Better a wrench than a mechanic I guess
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:50:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:

Originally Posted By Hydguy:
Never had to do a piss test after a mishap,either as an individual or as a squardron...Did quite a few reclamations.
Let's see.... I believe that we lost a total of 6 birds while I was in.



When were you in and were you directly involved with working on a safety of flight gripe immedialty before the aircraft had its mishap?

I myself have never had to take a wizz-quizz for an aircraft mishap as either a maintainer or as an Aircrewman, but as a shop LPO I have had to escort a couple of guys from the mech shop who changed out the linkage of an TA-7C fuel control because that aircraft crashed (but not due to any engine problems).



I was in from '91-'02, and as a hydraulics guy, pretty much every time I touched the bird It was a SFF issue, not to mention getting my CDI/CDQAR stamp, and being low power qualified.

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:51:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

You were Navy or Af? I have had to give 10 vials of blood and two samples of piss for all 5 Class A mishaps I have been involved with.



Neither.. Marine Corps.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:54:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:

Originally Posted By photokirk:
During the development of the J-58 engine for the SR-71, an inspector left his flashlight on the engine intake. During run up, it was sucked right into the engine. $250,000 in damage.



We got a C-130 back from Cherry Point rework, had some fuel problems, the filters on the port side were clogging up with "foam".
After three days of flushing the fuel tanks and changing the filters the mechs popped the upper wing fuel access panels.
They found a 4 inch thick 5 X 3 foot mattress stuffed in the tank.

The rework guys from Cherry Point used it as a cushion when they worked inside the tank.

Needless to say the Aircrew that had flown in that aircraft were not amused.



Are you Navy? I remember when they had OV-10's parked outside of the Depot. When I left, they were doing the 130's, 46's, 53's, Harriers (only depot for them that I know of), and some of the QF-4 stuff()
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:55:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hydguy:

Originally Posted By KA3B:

Originally Posted By Hydguy:
Never had to do a piss test after a mishap,either as an individual or as a squardron...Did quite a few reclamations.
Let's see.... I believe that we lost a total of 6 birds while I was in.



When were you in and were you directly involved with working on a safety of flight gripe immedialty before the aircraft had its mishap?

I myself have never had to take a wizz-quizz for an aircraft mishap as either a maintainer or as an Aircrewman, but as a shop LPO I have had to escort a couple of guys from the mech shop who changed out the linkage of an TA-7C fuel control because that aircraft crashed (but not due to any engine problems).



I was in from '91-'02, and as a hydraulics guy, pretty much every time I touched the bird It was a SFF issue, not to mention getting my CDI/CDQAR stamp, and being low power qualified.




What did you work? Harriers? I guess with them a crash is a near-daily occurance and doesn't warrant any attention. Seriously the steps that KA3B listed are almost identical for USAF class As. We look at the last 72 hours of maintenance on the jet, anybody who signed off any "gripe" is going to get piss tested. We also have to give the flight doc a run down of all of our activities for the last 3 days, who the hell knows what they had for breakfast three days ago? It's not pleasant, especially twice in a month.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 6:58:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 6:58:33 PM EDT by Hydguy]

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

What did you work? Harriers?Yup I guess with them a crash is a near-daily occurance and doesn't warrant any attention. Seriously the steps that KA3B listed are almost identical for USAF class As. We look at the last 72 hours of maintenance on the jet, anybody who signed off any "gripe" is going to get piss tested. We also have to give the flight doc a run down of all of our activities for the last 3 days, who the hell knows what they had for breakfast three days ago? It's not pleasant, especially twice in a month.



I really miss the old days...

I don't think that anyone ever got piss tested from any shop, or had to talk to the flight surgeon. But then again, none of our mishaps were EVER attributted to a maintenance issue. All were either pilot error, or componet failure.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:40:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hydguy:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

What did you work? Harriers?Yup I guess with them a crash is a near-daily occurance and doesn't warrant any attention. Seriously the steps that KA3B listed are almost identical for USAF class As. We look at the last 72 hours of maintenance on the jet, anybody who signed off any "gripe" is going to get piss tested. We also have to give the flight doc a run down of all of our activities for the last 3 days, who the hell knows what they had for breakfast three days ago? It's not pleasant, especially twice in a month.



I really miss the old days...

I don't think that anyone ever got piss tested from any shop, or had to talk to the flight surgeon. But then again, none of our mishaps were EVER attributted to a maintenance issue. All were either pilot error, or componet failure.



Neither were any of mine, but thats just the way we play it. Maybe 2A373 will actually see this thread when he gets home from the pecker checker.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:55:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JustinOK34:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

The egress guys will be happy tonight, the seat worked and they'll be drinking free beer.



And Martin-Baker gets to send a patch to frozen wet zipper suiter.



F-16 doesn't have a Martin-Baker.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 8:59:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bmick325:

Originally Posted By JustinOK34:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

The egress guys will be happy tonight, the seat worked and they'll be drinking free beer.



And Martin-Baker gets to send a patch to frozen wet zipper suiter.



F-16 doesn't have a Martin-Baker.

]

No, it has a McDonnell Douglas ACES II seat.

www.ejectionsite.com/f16seat.htm

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:18:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By bmick325:

Originally Posted By JustinOK34:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

The egress guys will be happy tonight, the seat worked and they'll be drinking free beer.



And Martin-Baker gets to send a patch to frozen wet zipper suiter.



F-16 doesn't have a Martin-Baker.

]

No, it has a McDonnell Douglas ACES II seat.

www.ejectionsite.com/f16seat.htm

www.ejectionsite.com/anon1/F16ACESrt.jpg



Though we had an egress guy around here.

I was waiting for someone to correct him, but it finally got the best of me.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:24:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bmick325:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By bmick325:

Originally Posted By JustinOK34:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

The egress guys will be happy tonight, the seat worked and they'll be drinking free beer.



And Martin-Baker gets to send a patch to frozen wet zipper suiter.



F-16 doesn't have a Martin-Baker.

]

No, it has a McDonnell Douglas ACES II seat.

www.ejectionsite.com/f16seat.htm

www.ejectionsite.com/anon1/F16ACESrt.jpg



Though we had an egress guy around here.

I was waiting for someone to correct him, but it finally got the best of me.



Not me, I'm just a pointy head, the only seats I have dealt with have been Martin Baker Widow Makers, in the F-4 and U-2.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:54:50 PM EDT

A lawn dart crashed? Oh, what a SHOCK.

Yeah, it has an ACES II. I had a chance to see it in action when the thunderbird crashed in Idaho at the airshow a few years back. I was on the crash crew that day.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 9:56:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 9:57:16 PM EDT by Chairborne]

Originally Posted By Beltfedleadhead:
A lawn dart crashed? Oh, what a SHOCK.

Yeah, it has an ACES II. I had a chance to see it in action when the thunderbird crashed in Idaho at the airshow a few years back. I was on the crash crew that day.



Cool! Those are some of the best Tbird pics ever! You are lucky to have seen it in person.

Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:00:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By Beltfedleadhead:
A lawn dart crashed? Oh, what a SHOCK.

Yeah, it has an ACES II. I had a chance to see it in action when the thunderbird crashed in Idaho at the airshow a few years back. I was on the crash crew that day.



Cool! Those are some of the best Tbird pics ever! You are luck to have seen it in person.

www.ejectionsite.com/eyewitness/tbirdejectdownthroatsm1.jpg



Well, I dunno about LUCKY, since I spent the next week in a Tyvek suit and respirator marking parts and then spraying the composites with wax and picking them up after the investigation.
The seat landed upright, too, and we found the crater the pilot's ass made in the dirt when he landed. He was fine, and waved to the crowd after he ditched.
It was his first performance as a Tbird. He was a former F-15 pilot. I guess he pissed off the gods after transitioning to an extremely inferior airframe...
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:04:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Beltfedleadhead:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By Beltfedleadhead:
A lawn dart crashed? Oh, what a SHOCK.

Yeah, it has an ACES II. I had a chance to see it in action when the thunderbird crashed in Idaho at the airshow a few years back. I was on the crash crew that day.



Cool! Those are some of the best Tbird pics ever! You are luck to have seen it in person.

www.ejectionsite.com/eyewitness/tbirdejectdownthroatsm1.jpg



Well, I dunno about LUCKY, since I spent the next week in a Tyvek suit and respirator marking parts and then spraying the composites with wax and picking them up after the investigation.
The seat landed upright, too, and we found the crater the pilot's ass made in the dirt when he landed. He was fine, and waved to the crowd after he ditched.
It was his first performance as a Tbird. He was a former F-15 pilot. I guess he pissed off the gods after transitioning to an extremely inferior airframe...





I picked up two lawn dart crashes up on the Nellis range, one pilot didn't get out. One guy found his boot, that was about it. We found chunks about half the size of circuit cards, the rest was pretty much a smoking hole.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 10:06:25 PM EDT
Yeah, Nellis is BAD for crashes. I think those hills right next to the base screw with their approach or something... The foreigners have trouble there, too.
Link Posted: 3/14/2006 11:18:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/14/2006 11:56:19 PM EDT by 2A373]
I, along with everyone else that had anything to do with the aircraft that when down, cannot discuss the crash until the accident investigation is over.

ETA
This SOP after a crash.



16 more days until I'm out of here.
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:01:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:

16 more days until I'm out of here.



FIGMO...!
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 12:06:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Noname:

Originally Posted By 2A373:

16 more days until I'm out of here.



FIGMO...!



Hell ya!

Here's where I'm headed.



Link Posted: 3/15/2006 8:24:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By bmick325:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

Originally Posted By bmick325:

Originally Posted By JustinOK34:

Originally Posted By Chairborne:

The egress guys will be happy tonight, the seat worked and they'll be drinking free beer.



And Martin-Baker gets to send a patch to frozen wet zipper suiter.



F-16 doesn't have a Martin-Baker.

]

No, it has a McDonnell Douglas ACES II seat.

www.ejectionsite.com/f16seat.htm

www.ejectionsite.com/anon1/F16ACESrt.jpg



Though we had an egress guy around here.

I was waiting for someone to correct him, but it finally got the best of me.



Not me, I'm just a pointy head, the only seats I have dealt with have been Martin Baker Widow Makers, in the F-4 and U-2.



Snap!



Link Posted: 3/15/2006 8:27:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:
I, along with everyone else that had anything to do with the aircraft that when down, cannot discuss the crash until the accident investigation is over.

ETA
This SOP after a crash.



16 more days until I'm out of here.



So it was a team effort?
Link Posted: 3/15/2006 2:32:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JustinOK34:

Originally Posted By 2A373:
I, along with everyone else that had anything to do with the aircraft that when down, cannot discuss the crash until the accident investigation is over.

ETA
This SOP after a crash.



16 more days until I'm out of here.



So it was a team effort?



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