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The last photo are the wrong "JASSM", they were the loser's (McDonnell Douglas / Boeing) entry. I know, I worked on the AGM-158 (JASSM) missile back a few years ago during the development stages.
We (LM Aero - ADP) handed the Missile and Space an operational design, and they have to dick with it to save pennys, and the result, Navy back off from the program and the USAF threatened to cancel the program. BTW, ever since the Navy back off from the program (Navy wants the POS SLAM-ER), logically the J (Joint) should be dropped, and the program should have been re-named as ASSM. Now won't it sond funny when the news reporter reports US have launched three ASSM against targets in (you name a hostile country). I guess, in that case, they will call it the AGM-158. For pictures and video, go to: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=11299&sc=400 |
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Is that the weapon they used to call J-SOW (with attached piggy jokes, of course)? |
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Sorry about that, all the top pics came from the lock-mart page, the bottom one was from FAS I think, go figure they have the wrong info. |
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Also isn't the slam-er nonpowered? Maybe I have my acronymese mixed up, but we do have a ~20 mile range 40K "glide" standoff weapon in development right? |
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No, JSOW is a navy program, Texas Instrument (now Raytneon) produiced the missile, and was used in Desert Storm. Glider, non-powered, and they did not perform well. JSOW uses either a unitary warhead or bomblet. JASSM (AGM-158) uses a unitary warhead.
SLAM and SLAM-ER are powered, it uses the Harpoon aft. section which contain a turbojet engine. The SLAM-ER was rushed to production (doing some round about way to delay operational tests) because DOD wants to replace it with JASSM. To be serious, the SLAM-ER is a joke, smaller warhead, less range, less survivable older avionics and guidance at double the price of an AGM-158. BTW, AGM-158 have already been navial qualified. The argument is, SLAM and SLAM-ER in a pinch can use against ships, and JASSM was not designed for anti-ship role. I uesd to work for McDonnell Douglas before Lockheed Martin ADP. I asked but was turn down by MD's management to transfer to Phantom Works, so I jumped ship to LM ADP. The JASSM win is sweet victory for me and the rest of the LM team. |
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Good info, thanks! I just read in the March 6th Aviation Week that the Aussies are buying JASSM as well, for use on their F-18s. Congrats on that win too. |
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no the JSOW is a clusterbomb unit and doesnt have a propulsion system. there are some vids of it floating around on the net. we watched a bunch of them in tech school. we had a static model to get hands on with. |
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Guess what, the Aussie's version have software upgrade to include anti-ship role, so why is our Navy keep buying those SLAM-ER. Thanks, we won the program back a few years ago, it is a significient breakthru because it snached cruise missile production and development from the two strongholds, Raytheon and Boeing. Before JASSM, LM never produced a single cruise missile. |
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IIRC Lock-Mart is working on a pretty nifty miniature cruise missile.
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The Netfires LAM for the Army? www.missilesandfirecontrol.com/our_products/firesupport/NETFIRES/product-NETFIRES.html Or do they have another one also? |
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You meant LOCAAS. Netfire is an adaption of LOCASS (Netfire LAM) with a larger airframe to extend the range and time to loiter on target. LOCAAS can be a very potential warhead/payload carried on other deliver systems, and so far, thats all I have to say. |
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Negative, This is what I was talking about...SMACM. Surveilling Miniature Attack Cruise Missile SMACM is a long range, high endurance, expendable, unmanned air vehicle (UAV) that can be used in a reconnaissance role or in an armed version to attack moving or stationary targets. With a range of over 200 miles, SMACM can be launched from outside the range of enemy air defenses from the F/A-22 and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, as well as most combat aircraft. SMACM incorporates a proven turbojet engine, two-way data link, multimode warhead and an all-weather seeker. It is similar to the size of a Small Diameter Bomb, and compatible with the BRU-61A munition rack. SMACM offers a choice of two seekers. The first, a Tri-Mode seeker, is a combination of a millimeter wave (MMW) RF radar, an imaging infrared (IIR), and a semi active laser (SAL). These three modes provide an all-weather capability, and when seeker data is fused can categorize the target. It is currently the seeker on the Joint Common Missile under contract with the US Army and US Navy. The second seeker option has a MMW, an active LADAR, and a SAL. This combination of sensors is called a Tri-Star seeker. This seeker, when coupled with its automatic target recognition algorithms, provides a high probability combat ID of any tactical military vehicle with extremely low false alarm rates. The 3-D images give the LADAR unprecedented capability to identify targets in cluttered environments. The seekers on SMACM have the capability to find, categorize/ID, transmit target location and provide a battlefield assessment of subsequent precision attacks. SMACM range/endurance makes it an ideal miniature expendable UAV. The armed version can also destroy the target when commanded. link |
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This sooooooo last year! The RAF were shooting the crap out of Baghdad with it's STORM SHADOW missiles during OIF…
You could have bought them off us, after all we buy shitloads of your missiles! STORM SHADOW / SCALP Conventionally armed stand off air-to-ground long range missile Operational requirement The neutralisation of high value targets while avoiding unacceptable collateral damage, led to the development of a new long range air-to-ground missile system capable of very high precision in the final phase and with high destructive power. The MBDA solution Selected by 5 countries, STORM SHADOW / SCALP is a long range, conventionally armed, cruise missile, optimised for use in pre-planned attacks against heavily defended, hardened and high value fixed targets whose positions are accurately known before the mission. Operating by day and night and in adverse weather, STORM SHADOW / SCALP offers considerable operational capability and provides a large launch window with minimal Fire and Forget workload. STORM SHADOW / SCALP is a stealth missile and is fully autonomous after firing. After launch, STORM SHADOW / SCALP changes from its firing altitude to very low cruising altitude. Its inertial navigation is continuously updated through information supplied by its navigation system following the ground by digital terrain profile matching and by GPS (Global Positioning System). This provides the missile with excellent navigational precision and resistance to countermeasures. The passive infrared imagery homing head is activated during the final target approach phase. Automatic target recognition algorithms then compare the actual scene with the memorised scene, identify the designated target and select the target impact point in order to hit the target with very high precision. The only difference betweenSTORM SHADOW and SCALP is in peripherals around the missile itself, which are mainly required for missile adaptation subassemblies to French or British aircraft; mission preparation systems, etc. MAIN FEATURES and ADVANTAGES High survivability and effectiveness Storm Shadow/Scalp EG is a next generation, stealthy, cruise missile, with avionics tailored to meet the most demanding operational requirements: Long stand-off range minimising aircraft and crew vulnerability and maximising radius of action. High missile survivability High survivability due to very low altitude predictive terrain following. Extended range and sophisticated mission planning allow avoidance of enemy ground-to-air defence systems. Excellent navigation accuracy provided by tight integration of INS, GPS and terrain reference navigation system. Pinpoint terminal accuracy a high resolution IIR seeker and automatic target recognition (ATR). Terminal effectiveness provided by a high speed final dive and a tandem lethal package including a precursor charge and a large kinetic energy penetrator bomb. High flexibility of operation Large launch window and total aircraft tactical freedom post launch. Large tolerance around the nominal launch point (large launch basket) provided by the mixed navigation system. Fire-and-forget enabling operation of the missile at very long ranges from the target. Minimal crew workload enabling single seat aircraft pilots to operate the weapon system. Status of programme STORM SHADOW entered service with the Royal Air Force in 2003 and saw operational service in the Gulf during action in Iraq. STORM SHADOW / SCALP will be operated from Tornado, Rafale, Mirage 2000, Mirage 2000-5 Mk II, Eurofighter Typhoonand in the future, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. New MBDA advanced studies are underway to develop a sea-launched version of the SCALP missile. Dedicated to equip the future frigates and “Barracuda-class” sub-marines of the French Navy, the “SCALP NAVAL” will fulfil other European requirements for deep land attack from the sea. Mass: About 1 300 kg Length: 5.10 m Diameter: 0.166 m Wing span: 3 m, fins deployed Warhead: BROACH perforating and explosive charge (You guys bought the BROACH design off us, it's rather good!) Speed: Mach 0.8 + Navigation: Iinertial, GPS and Terprom Terminal guidance: infrared imagery homing head Iinertial, GPS and Terprom Range: > 250 km Final phase: imaging infra-red seeker automatic target recognition (ATR) and tracking high precision terminal guidance www.mbda.net/site/FO/scripts/siteFO_contenu.php?lang=EN&noeu_id=120 |
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Technically the SMACM is a UAV not cruise missile. A cruise missile is an airframe built around one mission, to deliver a lethal dose of highly potent medicine.
A UAV is a multi-role airframe, and that it can be configurated to perform a suicide mission still makes it a UAV not a missile. |
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Storm Shadow is heavier, 2800+ versus 2,250, and it is too long and not shaped to fit inside some of our airciraft. Well we both know the rest in our head. |
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Cheater. I've always kind of thought of a cruise missile as a UAV. Besides Lock-Mart prolly' called it a cruise missile just to get the acronyn SMACM(smack 'em). |
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Ok, so there is more than one small cruse missile. being about the same size as a SDB makes it bigger than the LAM but still... |
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