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Posted: 3/4/2006 5:10:39 PM EDT
I disagree with his answer to one of my posts about the new florida parking lot issue.

"Having a gun doesn't make you safe, it merely increases the odds that you're going to shoot someone. Common SENSE would dictate buying a better door lock. There is also such a thing as self-fulfilling prophecy. If you're afraid that you need a gun for protection the odds are good that one day you're going to decide to use it. Gotta drive through a bad neighborhood? Drive around. Use your brain not a gun. Civilization matures and evolves through "civil" thought and deed. The world is a dangerous place I agree, but firearms aren't the answer. Learn to be unafraid by rational means. Anything else is just a grownup "Binky" that has the potential to kill. I do apologize however in attacking the legitimacy of your post here. It is very much related to this forum and I was wrong in bringing that into question."

Comment on what he said please.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 5:18:09 PM EDT
He sounds like a Clinton to me.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 5:18:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cuban:

Comment on what he said please.



He's a naive moron. If he's lucky, he'll be able to blindly wander through life without getting hurt - if not, he'll realize too late what an idiot he has been.

Link Posted: 3/4/2006 5:18:54 PM EDT
Welcome to Arfcom
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 5:19:05 PM EDT
I smell DU troll
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 5:19:11 PM EDT
He is an idiot. Of course having a gun increases your chance of shooting someone! Thats not to say that it increases your chance of being in a fight, it merely raises the likelihood that you will survive the fight.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 5:20:30 PM EDT
sheep, at best, gun grabber at worst
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 5:20:39 PM EDT
yeah, just keep on saying that when a group of gangbangers robs you at the ATM in what you thought was a nice part of town...

or ask the guy who posted his story here before who had to blow the brains out of two gang members who pulled a gun on him while he was walking to his car from a restaurant in a VERY NICE section of town.... they were doing a gang initiation ceremony.

bad things happen to good people, and situational awareness alone will NOT make you safe, although it will certainly help matters.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 5:20:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
He is an idiot. Of course having a gun increases your chance of shooting someone! Thats not to say that it increases your chance of being in a fight, it merely raises the likelihood that you will survive the fight.



Well said.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 5:21:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/4/2006 5:22:12 PM EDT by Outsider_10fp]
tell the fucktard this (make sure you lok at him like this while saying it too)

Owning a vehicle increases your chances of being involved in a car crash
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 5:33:38 PM EDT
Just another sheep who doesn't want to confront the idea that something could happen to him and he might have to do something about it. Criminals prey on people like him. "Well I avoid bad places so I'm sure I'll be fine." They know if he's their victim, they don't need to worry about dealing with him fighting back. It doesn't matter what kind of passive precautions you take, trouble can still come to you.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 5:35:00 PM EDT
...I can't wait until MS's "Castle Doctrine" passes and nationwide CCW reciprocity would be cool, too. That way my wife can legally draw down on thugs like she did FOUR times last year at work in a parking lot on her way to her car. She was within sight of the Sheriff's Dept of West Memphis, AK at one of her stores in a bad neighborhood on a main street under a street lamp. She didn't have anyone to escort her to her car, except for Sturm and Ruger.

A girl asked me last week if my wife would have been better served if she had used pepper spray instead. I just said," With pepper spray, you have to use it for the thugs to take you seriously. Then you might have to wait for the cops to take a statement and/or arrest you for assault. With her gun, all she had to do was show it and the thugs were quite apologetic." They said something to the effect of,"Excuse me ma'am, I did not mean to bother you. Have a good night!" The two that didn't immediately run away were quite polite after looking in a .40 hole...

When my rabidly anti-gun(but highly skilled in the bedroom) ex-girlfriend was at home alone one time, Mr. Sturm and Mr. Ruger kept her company when she heard people "casing" my home while I was at work. It's a perfect example of no atheists in a foxhole during an artillery attack.

There are no anti-gunners when bad guys are beating at your door. All cries of "Guns 'r' bad" are replaced by "Where's the extra ammo?"
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 5:40:33 PM EDT
Ask him if he has smoke detectors or fire extinguishers in his home. When he says yes, inform him that he could also avoid fires in the home if he took a few precautionary measures, like unplugging appliances, etc. Tell him after he does this, he should throw away his smoke detectors and fire extinguishers. There's no need for them now, right?

And then make sure you inform him that he or an immediate member of his family are about twice as likely to be the victims of a violent crime than they are to be the victims of a house fire. Tell him to imagine his daughter being gang-raped while he is held at gunpoint, and then ask him if he still thinks that carrying a gun is always a bad idea.

Is a carry gun a security blanket? You're damn right it is, and I'll feel a lot safer if I have one on the day I need it. Will that day ever come? Probably not. But if it ever does, I don't want to be standing there with a stupid look on my face, apologizing to my wife and kids after they've been brutalized.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 6:01:52 PM EDT
agreed with all of you, I gave him the link to this post, hopefully it will wake him up!
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 6:05:31 PM EDT
Sounds like the kind of guy that walks around bad neighborhoods in assless chaps on Wednsday nights...
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 6:13:05 PM EDT
Moron is what he is. Having a gun makes me very safe. I also thinks that having a gun makes me much less likely to be in a fight. If someone can't figure out not to fuck with me when looking down a 45 then there really wont be a fight anyway.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 6:21:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/4/2006 6:22:01 PM EDT by fike]

Originally Posted By wittzo:
She was within sight of the Sheriff's Dept of West Memphis, AK at one of her stores in a bad neighborhood on a main street under a street lamp. She didn't have anyone to escort her to her car, except for Sturm and Ruger.



AR, like the rifle.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 6:24:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cuban:
I disagree with his answer to one of my posts about the new florida parking lot issue.

"Having a gun doesn't make you safe, it merely increases the odds that you're going to shoot someone. All depends on who gets shot.

Common SENSE would dictate buying a better door lock. Anyone with half a brain already has one

There is also such a thing as self-fulfilling prophecy. If you're afraid that you need a gun for protection the odds are good that one day you're going to decide to use it. Bullshit. You insure your home and car and pray you won't have to file a claim. I seriously doubt the average gunowner so much as wants to clear leather, much less shoot someone.

Gotta drive through a bad neighborhood? Drive around. Use your brain not a gun.Agreed

Civilization matures and evolves through "civil" thought and deed. The world is a dangerous place I agree, but firearms aren't the answer.They are NOT the answer, they are simply another tool

Learn to be unafraid by rational means. Having a firearm IS a rational thing to do.

Anything else is just a grownup "Binky" that has the potential to kill. Tell you what, YOU give peace a chance. I'll cover you.
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Link Posted: 3/4/2006 6:25:19 PM EDT
And if you never get in a vehicle, you'd never be in an auto accident either.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 6:27:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fike:

Originally Posted By wittzo:
She was within sight of the Sheriff's Dept of West Memphis, AK at one of her stores in a bad neighborhood on a main street under a street lamp. She didn't have anyone to escort her to her car, except for Sturm and Ruger.



AR, like the rifle.


I looked at it and kept reading
W.memphis SUX!! That wal-mart there is the reason I LOVE CCW, G36 and a truck driver is always a good sign
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 6:28:10 PM EDT
I've always looked at carrying a gun much like carrying insurance on my vehicle, or insurance on my house, or insurance on my teeth.

I insure all of the material, replaceable possessions. Why the fuck wouldnt I want to insure my life? And a gun, like insurance, is something I hope I never have to use. But if I end up in a situation where I would need it.....Its a bad time to find out you dont have the right kind of insurance......
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 6:28:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Voldermortist:
I smell DU troll



Link Posted: 3/4/2006 6:30:35 PM EDT
Oh please.



Better locks. Driving around bad parts of town. Both great ideas, but they only get you so far.


Sometimes you have no choice about taking risks. Sometimes, trouble just finds you.


In either case, having a weapon is better than not having a weapon.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 6:30:49 PM EDT
sounds like he has sand in his mangina
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 6:34:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:

In either case, having a weapon is better than not having a weapon.





Better to have and not need than need and not have.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 6:35:55 PM EDT
So he thinks that driving around bad parts of town is the answer.....what happens when the "bad blight" spreads into his neighborhood? How far and how often is he willing to move? Lions follow the wildebeast herds....wolves follow the caribou....bad guys follow the sheeple.

Ask him what he would prefer to do:
1) clean up grey matter splattered in the foyer and patch the .45 hole in the wall
2) pay out hundred's of thousands of dollars for counciling and psychologist visits to help his daughter forget about the home invasion rape.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 6:36:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/4/2006 6:37:58 PM EDT by H46Driver]

Originally Posted By cuban:
I disagree with his answer to one of my posts about the new florida parking lot issue.

"Having a gun doesn't make you safe, it merely increases the odds that you're going to shoot someone. Common SENSE would dictate buying a better door lock. There is also such a thing as self-fulfilling prophecy. If you're afraid that you need a gun for protection the odds are good that one day you're going to decide to use it. Gotta drive through a bad neighborhood? Drive around. Use your brain not a gun. Civilization matures and evolves through "civil" thought and deed. The world is a dangerous place I agree, but firearms aren't the answer. Learn to be unafraid by rational means. Anything else is just a grownup "Binky" that has the potential to kill. I do apologize however in attacking the legitimacy of your post here. It is very much related to this forum and I was wrong in bringing that into question."

Comment on what he said please.



I think that he is right - the part about gun ownership increases the odds that you are going to shoot someone. What are your chances of shooting someone if you don't have a gun?

The rest of the statement after the first sentence doesn't merit comment.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 7:01:58 PM EDT
I filed for a CWP in Tampa ASAP after Martinez signed the preemption? bill into law. This guy didn't have to live in my neighborhood. The Barnet bank down the street had an ATM body magnet. Three in as many months. The gas station attendant down the street had two broken arms from a golf club attack. During SandBox I some punks wandered down our street mugging targets of opportunity, including my buddy's mom while he was ADA w/ the 21st ? Mech.
Carried for years, drew once, and NO harm to anyone. This guy endangers more people w/ his vote than we do w/ our weapons.
Link Posted: 3/4/2006 7:03:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/4/2006 7:08:47 PM EDT by The_Macallan]

Originally Posted By cuban:
Having a gun doesn't make you safe,
2.5 million times a year he is proven wrong.



it merely increases the odds that you're going to shoot someone.
Yeah - someone who's attacking you.



Common SENSE would dictate buying a better door lock.
Even better common sense dictates LAYERS of security rather than relying just on a "better door lock". NO door lock can stop a determined rapist, child-molester or gang of thugs intent on getting into your home.


There is also such a thing as self-fulfilling prophecy. If you're afraid that you need a gun for protection the odds are good that one day you're going to decide to use it.
No different for police. So should police officers be disarmed too? Then we can be like that disarmed yet violent-ridden society of Great Britain?


Gotta drive through a bad neighborhood? Drive around.
Umm.... yeah - kind of like if you have to drive in a car, walk instead.


Use your brain not a gun.
Having a gun IS using your brain. For just ONE example, go read up on the The Dartmouth Murders and see how using his brain AND his gun Andrew Patti was able to avoid being buried in a shallow grave already dug for him and his young son by their would-be murderers.


Civilization matures and evolves through "civil" thought and deed.
Murderers and rapists attack and kill defenseless "civilized" people every day - but they're just not as successful attacking and killing ARMED "civilized" people.



The world is a dangerous place I agree, but firearms aren't the answer.
Neither are empty slogans.



Learn to be unafraid by rational means.
Firearm ownership is very rational.



Anything else is just a grownup "Binky" that has the potential to kill.
Logical fallacy - false dilemma. Your flawed position is basically "either disarm or be irrational". Lame. You fail to understand that dozens of studies have shown that anywhere from one to three million times a year, law-abiding citizens successfully defend themselves from attackers, rapists, muggers, burglars and murderers by firearms - most without ever even discharging it. Surveys of criminals in prison repeatedly demonstrate that the one thing that criminals fear far beyond locked doors, guard dogs or even the police is coming upon a victim who is armed.

Link Posted: 3/4/2006 7:18:09 PM EDT
He's right. Use your brain - stay outta trouble.

But trouble some times finds you. ESP with home invasion. Thats when the guns come in as an insurance.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 5:34:00 AM EDT
Well, he's an asshat cause he is ASSuming that you have total control over where the bad guys are and that they never come to you. If the bad guys never went to nice areas to steal from...then all the rich people wouldn't need alarms, and guards, and such.

No Expert
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 9:08:11 AM EDT
In the same logic thread this dweeb is using one could also state a seatbelt will not make anyone any safer. It might have some actual correlation as far as being involved in an accident but fails to account for what happens after the "inevitable" happens. A seatbelt can save a life just as a gun can negate a potentially life threatening situation.
Sounds like some sort of s**t disturber making a ridiculious point and supporting it with specious logic. Ask this guy if he wears a sealbelt and why.
BTW, no one has to drive anywhere, we all choose to drive just like we choose where we drive so don't let the di****it try to weasel out by saying he has to drive anywhere.

Gawd, I hate morons.
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