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Posted: 3/3/2006 12:55:51 PM EDT
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I'm a member, they still don't do crap though...
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Posted: 3/3/2006 12:59:09 PM EDT
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me too, I think they do a fine job. Im well informed on what their objective is via emails and letters. Sure they pander for money, but the cause is worh it, even if you dont agree with every little thing, the purpose is clear. I plan on upgrading to a life membership in the near future. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 1:10:41 PM EDT
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LarryG,
I am in the middle of some of the most prolific hunting areas in the state. Almost of my friends hunt, not one of them has a problem with owning whatever kind of firearm you can legally obtain in fact most of us have ARs. I realize this may be a problem, I just can't believe that those Elmer Fudds are the majority. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 1:14:14 PM EDT
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Just about every time I go to the range, I get that comment from at least one dildo. There are a hell of a lot more strictly "hunters" in this country than there are of those who hunt and have rifles to shoot targets/home defense or those who shoot targets/home defense. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 1:44:03 PM EDT
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Owning a gun and not being a member of the NRA is nothing more then that. It has nothign to do with being lazy, cheap or misinformed. Get over yourself! BTW, I am a member and have been my whole life. Will continue to be. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 1:52:11 PM EDT
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Here are the only reasons you need to join the NRA. If you don't understand why you need to be an NRA member after visiting these sites you are beyond help.
bradycampaign.org - GUNS IN FLORIDA WORKPLACES? THAT IS THE GOAL OF THE NRA bradycenter.org - Pressed by the National Rifle Association, a House subcommittee will be holding a hearing Wednesday afternoon on what the NRA is scurrilously calling "abuse" by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), millionmommarch.org - A long sit in the Time Out Chair for the NRA Foundation's Eddie Eagle Program for Touting education as gun safety when studies have shown that gun safety training does NOT deter children and youth from picking up and playing with guns, and gunlawsuits.org - ONCE AGAIN, THE NRA SHOWS IT'S THE CRIMINAL'S BEST FRIEND stopthenra.com - Guns in the workplace? That is the goal of the National Rifle Association. nrablacklist.com - Join the thousands of others who have added their names to the NRA Blacklist by signing this petition to stop Congress from giving reckless gun sellers special legal privileges. ShootFirstLaw.org - At the NRA's urging, the bill removed a provision that says a person has a "duty to retreat" when attacked outside the home. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 1:54:54 PM EDT
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Again, no substance. Please try again. If you have something substantive, let's have it. Otherwise, it's just noise.
By all means catch me up to speed. So far, three pages in, no one has made a sincere effort to convince me why I'm wrong. All I get are You're stoopd, l0z3r or you're wrong. Those calling me stupid deserve no consideration. No one's told me in any convincing manner why I'm wrong. Unless the latest NRA welcome packet has a sooper seekrit decoder ring to point out what I don't see, I'm still unconvinced. Anyone? Bueller? C'mon, I want to believe but can't and you guys are either incapable of convincing me or something. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 1:58:03 PM EDT
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A proud Life and Endowment Member here.
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Posted: 3/3/2006 1:58:15 PM EDT
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You don't want to be convinced you are wrong. Anyone who has been paying attention, knows what they are talking about, or is not out to divide and conquer already knows what is going on, they don't need to be brought up to speed. Yeah, everyone else is wrong and you are right. Typical. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 1:59:28 PM EDT
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It has to do with all those. Let someone else fight your battles for you and you reap the rewards. That is EXACTLY what it is about. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:02:57 PM EDT
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I've said plenty of specific things they've done. You either cannot read or are willfully ignorant. So, again, try again. Let's hear some of these facts you claim to have. Still, unconvinced. And, simply, you ain't got it. If you did, you'd have let me have it. Oooh, he called me a liberal. Nooo! Trust me, I'm far from liberal it's why I'm an ex-Republican too. They're too liberal for me too. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:03:57 PM EDT
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I think that may of the Elmer Fudd's who hate the EBR's, and give to much ammo to the anti-rights organizations, would just take up golf if their rifles were banned. Maybe a few would wake up, but I doubt it. Just call these people commies and liberals and sheep, and socialists every time they waste O2 by speaking. These people are some of our biggest problems and from my point of view it looks like the NRA is moving away from this type of organization. I think we need to write and lobby them as much or more than our congress critters. The more members that are proactive and fighting for rights that join and remind the NRA at every step the more like GOA and JPFO the NRA will become, and the more they fight for rights, but they need reminders.
Also you have to look at what the NRA is doing NOW, not 12 years ago, not 5 years ago. But now... AWB did not get renewed - Victory Castle/No Retreat Law in FL, and now being introduced in many other states - Victory Fight for workplace rights in FL - ongoing Lawsuites and Court Action during Katrina CCW in alot of states, and restrictions being relaxed in others Lots of irons in the fire right now, we are moving forward... There are a bunch of others, that are on going and being backed by the NRA. Love to see the next major thing nationwide CCW recip. Then move on to the next and continuing the offensive. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:06:28 PM EDT
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Coincidentally, if they really put the hurt on Nagin and the NO crowd over the confiscations, I'll sign up tomorrow. Hear talk of a threatened suit but nothing substantive yet.
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:09:10 PM EDT
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Not even close. Again its about a persons right to choose who they support and why. If they have a reason for not being a member, then so be it. Raggin on them and catagorizing them in a sub group of lazy, cheap or uninformed because they dont do things your way is weak at best sounds like the drival of a blowhard. Instead further letting them divide us, why not jsut ask those who are not members to reconsider. I assure you hammering on them will not work! |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:09:31 PM EDT
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This is what I am talking about getting up to speed. www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=442154
Sounds like more than just a threat and is definitely substantive. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:10:41 PM EDT
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We are our own worst enemy sometimes.
An avvid duck hunting friend of mine quit renewing his membership a few years back. You want to know why? Brace yourself: "They turned into a bunch of militia exteremists. Nobody needs to own guns like that, including you". Ya, you read that right. While we sit around bitching about the NRA's supposed catering to the Elmer Fudd crowd, that same crowd of old geezers thinks they waste political capital on "assault rifles", and the fevered push for concealed carry legislation. Divide and conquer. 
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:10:57 PM EDT
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Agreed. Those things need to be mentioned. I wish there were more by the way of relaxed or repealed laws but one step at a time. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:12:00 PM EDT
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ARFCOM is a PERFECT example of that. People here seem to forget we are all on the same side in this battle. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:14:16 PM EDT
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The non-members are the ones working on dividing us. They are either: a) Lazy b)Uninformed c)Cheap d)Willing to let others fight their battles e)All of the above The tone of most of them does not lend itself to asking them anything. They are the ones posting blowhard drivel. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:16:33 PM EDT
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If you were paying attention, one would not need to bring you up to speed. You are the one who is willfully ignorant. You want others to do your legwork, or a least that's your excuse. That's all it is, an excuse. Others have pointed out plenty they have done, but you WILLFULLY ignore it. Yeah, lots of other "divide and conquer" types claim they are not liberals as well. You might be far right, but I have found that it's pretty hard to tell the difference between the far right and the left. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:17:26 PM EDT
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For less then 3 cents a day (no magazine) you can become an NRA member. The more members that the NRA has on the books the more effective they can be.
If the NRA had 40,000,000 members (50% the U.S. gun owners) instead of less then 4,000,000 they would have 100 times the legislative clout they have now. Why some of you can't understand this is beyond me. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:22:04 PM EDT
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 Again, not your way = wrong. More high and mighty arfcom soapboxing! You are the kind of person the left loves. You are a right wing snob that keeps the ranks divided. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:30:23 PM EDT
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At this point I do not think the NRA represents gun owners interested in the 2nd admendment.
At their booth at shot show every picture was of a hunter, I don't see anything about hunting in the 2nd admendment. Also they are now selling NRA purses, NRA wallets, etc.....So now they are a company selling things....kinda hard to be focused on "gun rights" when they are more interest in making money OFF gun owners. I feel this is like people saying YOU must vote for Bush or you are against gun rights! Well, I don't agree with you. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:33:58 PM EDT
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Yeah, the Nagin stuff is what I mentioned earlier. So far, I see talk
Dude, I run one of the more successful gun blogs out there and do plenty of legwork. Trust me, I keep up. So, again, let's have it. That's, what, the fourth time I've asked? Affirms my initial conclusion: you ain't got it. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:35:15 PM EDT
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Yeah, and their latest gun giveaway had like 10 guns. Not one EBR among them. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:47:35 PM EDT
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I'm a member and have been for many years. I like the way they have aided in getting CCW passed in so many states.
America's First Freedom is a good magazine. Worth the membership. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:48:41 PM EDT
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Its not about lack of understanding, its about reality. Fact is there is NO way we could get another 36million people to join the NRA. Just wont happen. That stat is nothing more then a pipedream! Furthermore using it is just a vague attmept at gettig your point validated! But bashing people for not choosing to support the NRA just fits in with all the other generalization that goes on around here. We are a divided crowd, no question. I am off to the range. Need to relax a bit. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 2:57:45 PM EDT
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Have you ever thought what if the NRA didn't have gun owners right at best interest? Just like how the republican party used to be for small government and less gov powers, etc....
Have you seen the new NRA president? |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 3:12:19 PM EDT
[#29]
What about the new NRA president? |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 3:13:15 PM EDT
[#30]
Maybe it's not that they won't join, it is the total horseshit reasons they give. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 3:15:13 PM EDT
[#31]
No, it's the "divide and conquer" assholes who come here spouting their bullshit reasons for not joining, spout things they know are not true, then members like you defend their bullshit. The left doesn't love me but I hear they kinda have a thing for you. Yeah, I should just compromise like has been done in the past and show understanding to those who expect others to share the burden, be it financial or otherwise, for them. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 3:24:04 PM EDT
[#32]
Sarah Brady thanks you personally for not supporting the NRA. 
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Posted: 3/3/2006 3:26:41 PM EDT
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You label the actual filing of a lawsuit as just "talk". You say it is not substantive. I don't care how many gun blogs you run, or how much "legwork" you think you do, you ignore the reasons posted by many members here and say that "you ain't got it". Your questions have been answered many times over by several members, yet you claim "you ain't got it". For the fourth time, I tell you all you have to do is read the posts in this thread and for the fourth time, you refuse and just keep repeating your same old bullshit. For your benefit, I will re-post what dread-pirate posted:
I guess you don't consider any of that substantive. You regurgitate the lie that Bush would sign a renewal of the AWB when anyone with any understanding of politics knows he made sure that it would not reach his desk. If this clown gets it, why don't you?
You don't get it because it would interfere with your bullshit reasons for not joining the NRA. You renege on what you said earlier:
You said it was just talk. Guess what, filing a lawsuit in Federal court is more than just talk. Guess what, they don't make the judicial decisions, all they can do is file and fight the lawsuit. You are the one who has no legitimate point. You are one of those "everything completely my way" types who want to pitch a fit if everything doesn't go exactly as you want as if the country is run just to please you alone. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 3:49:57 PM EDT
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So far, yes. Until it's something (like a day in court) it's just that.
No, my questions were not. pirate posted that after I asked (for what, the second or third time) you to give me something. You've still given me nothing. And I said earlier, I joined after the AWB sunsetted. The no retreat stuff is minor to me. I'm indifferent on workplace carry and the CCW stuff isn't particularly new (except Missouri - at 2 years).
I did no such thing. And it's not a lie. Bush said in debate 3 he'd sign it. Period.
Nope. Said when the put the hurt on them. So, the day they're dragged to court, sign me up. Anyone can file a lawsuit.
I have several points that are legitimate. You claim to have excuses for them but never produce them. I've pitched no fit. I said simply my membership isn't guaranteed. I've not tried to discourage anyone from joining. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 3:55:02 PM EDT
[#35]
I just renewed my NRA membership for five years.
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:10:17 PM EDT
[#36]
Reading is a skill you should master. I am a member have benn and will continue to be. Get a clue |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:13:01 PM EDT
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Always feel better after a mags thru the poodle shooter! NOw I will agree that not all reasons hold much weight, but condeming them all because they are not members is horeshit. What about those taht donate money but choose not to be members and avoid the whole spm/junkmail/phone call crap? Are they lazy? Cheap? Uninformed? Letting others battle for them? No I think not. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:16:48 PM EDT
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So you think that if we continue to be divided we will win? Trust me the left hates my ass! I am reminded daily~  How does compromise have anything to do with what we are talking about? DO you honestly believe that EVERY SINGLE GUN OWNING NON NRA MEMBER expects others to carry the burden? Pretty broad statement considering you have no way to prove it. Fact is other peopel support gun ownership in other ways. Being a memeber is not som magic golden pass to in the cool club. Get over it! |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:20:58 PM EDT
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I'm willing to bet the % of those who donate to the NRA and not be members is pretty low. There's ways of reduceing the junk mail, and, there's this little trick I use of throwing it in the garbage. I politely tell any phone solicitor I am not interested when they start thier pitch. I am willing to stipulate that those persons that choose not to join the NRA as a member, but, contribute to the cause are doing fine, and, I have no issue with them. I have not seen one valid reason in this entire post NOT to join other than the "GW Endorsment/AWB" thing, which is just complete horsecrap. Gun owners have so many rabid enemies that will not stop until they get the 2nd repealed. We need to support our friends, which the NRA certainly is. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:22:34 PM EDT
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Good post.
Every gun owner needs to join the NRA. No one is perfect and if we want our freedom and our cause to be strong we need to stick together. So many gun owners reject the NRA and weaken our cause because of it. We all need to stick together. Plus it is really fun pissing libs off. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:23:52 PM EDT
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Rock on brother! The NRA is the only reason that we still legally own guns in the USA.
It always kills me how there are so many more hunters in our country than there are NRA members. Are they all planning to throw rocks at those ducks and deer? |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:25:07 PM EDT
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Gentlemen, those of us that are members of the NRA should not waste our breath arguing with the trolls that are not.
Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:29:02 PM EDT
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Those that are not members are not solicited for donations, so I can't really see anyone who is not a member donating so I don't believe that to be valid. Do you know anyone who is not a member that donates. That would actually make no sense. Besides, I have seen no one in this thread indicate such. The reasons given centering around the NRA not doing anything or being more concerned about the Elmer Fudds are just excuses. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:32:12 PM EDT
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Annual member for 12 yars running.
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:34:33 PM EDT
[#45]
You are just dancing around the issue. You focus on only what I have said and use that as an excuse. Others have given plenty of reasons. I personally don't feel like giving them because it won't matter to you. You have made your lame excuses and that's all they are. You have not posted ONE legitimate point, period. You have reneged on what you said. The "day in court" bullshit is just another one of your many excuses. As I said, all they can do is introduce the lawsuit, they don't make the final judgement. Bush said he would sign it to appease the soccer moms, knowing full well it would never reach his desk. You have absolutely no understanding of politics. Like I posted, those on the left get it, why don't you. You don't because then would not have one of your many excuses. You are not trying to discourage anyone from joining???????????? 
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:37:11 PM EDT
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It is not I that is doing the dividing. It is those who rail against the NRA for imagined wrongs who are the problem. Yes, the non-members apparently DO expect others to carry the burden for they sure as hell aren't sharing in it. Don't have to prove it, it's common sense and pretty damn obvious. The sky is blue during daylight hours. Do I have to prove that? No, it's there for everyone to see, as are non-members not contributing and expecting others to carry the burden. Yeah, saying you support gun ownership and actually contributing to the fight are two completely different things. |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:39:54 PM EDT
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I am sure you are correct the number is low, but there. And part of the same group people bash just for not being a member of the NRA. Dont forget though, there are gun owners out there that have other issue more important to them then gun ownership. I am not saying I agree, but to some its not as important as other political items. The fact is that there may not be a reason that you and I can find for a gun owner not to join but I assure you there are reasons out there that others believe in. We have to stop this "If you are not <insert topic of the day> you are a <insert slam of the day>. I never gets us anywhere and only further divedes the group...look at hte division between trap shooters and EBR shooters.... If a person chooses not to support the NRA, oh well, I certainly will not dog them about it. I might suggest joining and give a reason why I do. For example; one of my shooting buddies gives more yearly to the repub party, the NRA and GOA then I have given my entire life. Yet he is not a member of the NRA. I would consider him more of a supporter then most on this site. Do I hammer him about it? Hell no. He has his reasons and that is fine. Again the thing that pisses me off most it the blanket catagorizing of people here at ARFCOM. I hate ot break it to you but not all people with tattoos are druggy bikers. Not all people that smoke are evil. Not all gun owner/non NRA members are bad....Not all people that shoot 9mm are pussies(well most might be but not all  )Cheers CH |
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:40:45 PM EDT
[#48]
So I am a troll now? ETA: <----- member by MY choice.... not yours
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:44:19 PM EDT
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Question, does the NRA and ACLU ever spar off on issues? Thanks.
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Posted: 3/3/2006 4:45:14 PM EDT
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Gun Owners of America - Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
They support all types of firearms, title1&2 NFA items. GOA/JPFO loses battles, but I can at least stand by them because they will fight for me a losing battle. I respect that. They have tried to respect ALL weapon ownership and fight equally for shotguns to silencers. You can't ask for more at this time. The same cannot be said for the NRA. When a friend sells out part of the community for the greater good, one must consider that friendship. We are all in this together. If you can't trust those friends to come to your defense when needed, they are not what you would consider a friend. Real life guys. cya |
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