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First Blagojevich doubles all of the tolls and then he wants to take away our guns. What's the deal? If they don't take them away me might go bayonet some nuns or do naughty things with our collapsible stocks!
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Oh man. I really need to move.
I still don't understand the aim of this bill. What on God's green earth gives any shred of evidence that the gun crime reductions (if any at all) related with this type of gun control can possibly outweigh the blatant disregard for citizen's freedom and right to property? What purpose is there in taking away the rifles of 1000 hard-working, tax-paying, legitimate gun-owners, who just want to put a few rounds downrange on weekends, when it does not even effect the 1 man who decides to commit a crime with his weapon (which was most likely obtained illegally to begin with)? |
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See http://www.gunfacts.info/ for one booklet that was done in 2004. Could use some updating but still very relevant information. |
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They tried to ban AW in florida last year - a new york nasty ugly transplant woman legislator - JAP (and I dont mean from Japan). I am always puzzled wondering why SOME Jewish people of New York and South Florida are for gun control. Hitler made damn sure the people at large were unarmed before he killed them in mass.
Florida is a Republican state (for now) so the anti-gun proposal was stopped thanks to a vigorous letter writing campaign from folks like you and me. Write letters and send emails. Organize. |
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Move to TN! We have a mandatory class III approval law passed. It means that law enforcement officials must approve all machine gun and silencer applications unless the applicant is a felon. Economy is great, weather is ****, women are beautiful and machine guns are WELCOME!
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That's why you have firearms, that's what second amendment for. If government is no longer for the people, you should start to revolt, and rebel. If government won't protect you, you should start to protect yourself. Like our forefather who started to fight against an unjust government.
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It's not supported by this law enforcement official who patrols our streets........ |
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You forgot about Krebs, who makes some of the finest AKs in the world. |
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Lots of firefighting jobs in Virginia, Maryland, and DC. You can always work in Maryland or DC and live in VA, WV, or PA..... |
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Spent most of the day sending Faxs to our Illinois Reps and Senators about HB2414. Hope it might do some good. hug.gif
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Blowguyavich and Daley don't have the votes for this. It's election year bullshit, pure and simple.
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Here is a problem right here.
Violation of the Constitution right there in red.
I guess that includes 500 S&W, 50 AE and others. After all they are 50 caliber and capable of being through a rifle. Also how does 50 sharps fit into the picture? This piece of proposed legislation as extremly vauge and unimaginative at best. I dont foresee a problem getting it knocked down on those grounds. I am not an attorney and I only read through it quickly. |
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Well, it appears to be "common sense" that my right to own a particular firearm is taken away:
Thank you for your message about gun control. I appreciate knowing your views on this important issue. I am not against the possession of guns. Americans are entitled to own and use guns in a responsible fashion. Strong penalties for violent crimes involving firearms should be part of any effort to reduce gun violence. I have consistently supported tough crime control and prevention initiatives since coming to Congress. Enforcing our nation's existing gun control laws must remain a high priority. I support efforts that address illegal possession and use of firearms. Common sense restrictions such as the Brady Law and the Assault Weapons Ban are supported by law enforcement officials who must patrol our streets. These laws help protect people from crime and violence without infringing on legitimate hunting and sporting uses of firearms. I will continue to support efforts that help ensure our nation's gun laws are vigorously enforced. Thank you once again for contacting me. Please feel free to stay in touch. Sincerely, Richard J. Durbin United States Senator I believe we are in trouble here in Illinois. ETA: Also, it appears that the sporting use of an AR is somehow not "legitimate". |
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Along with the house legislation that seeks to ban our semi-auto so called "assault weapons", governor hopeful Bill Brady introduced a piece of legislation in the IL state Senate (SB2963) that would repeal the Firearm Owner Identification Act. While we're at it, might as well contact our state senators and urge them to co-sponsor/support SB2963.
Then again, if we keep banning firearms, we won't need the FOID... hinking.gif |
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Hello I lived in Illinois my whole life. I don't think the Bill will past. To much to lose if it does. I stayed here because work has always been good and made a great living and now I am also retired. I will keep all my guns like I did before. Being a Nam vet and a hunter I always liked my guns. But if the law passes I will not leave have to much to lose to move out of state. I was born and raised in Chicago and now live in the south suburbs. Very close to Indiana. Could move there but not to just keep my weapons. I would loose to much in other ways if I did. So just hope things go our way and good luck to those that chose to move.hug.gif
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Your to late Heres a thread about it |
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Personally I'm getting sick of the Illinois anti-gun bullshit. I've lived here all my life but have decided it is time to move. I am moving to Georgia this year. I really don't think things will ever change even if we had a Republican governor.
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I feel your pain something like this could happen in NY. I will send some letters if I can get an address to send it too.
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maybe i am just too hard core, inflexible, etc. But the day they come to confiscate my guns, they'll be pulling it out of my cold dead hands first. The good news is I'll have a lot of well armed friends around me before that occurs.
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Saying the right thing but using the wrong words is the same as saying the wrong thing. For some, it's hard to overcome military and police training. In this case, it is necessary. |
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1) Join the nra.
2) Write and/or call your legislators. This can be done easily in less than the time you've spent on this thread. 3) Donate to supportive elected officials, and tell them you did so, and why. 4) Vote Republican. I know they're not perfect, but on average they've done more for your gun rights than Illinois Sen Barack Obama ever will. I'm sorry, but as far as gun rights go, it IS Dem vs Rep. 5)"Molon Labe" sounds brave, but in reality, if the law passes you won't actually be able to shoot or show the gun in public. Not a hell of a lot different than burying it. We all may own these guns for higher callings, but normally we use these guns for the recreational fun, and that will be lost. 6)If you must move (and I know that's difficult), make sure to write and notify anyone who'll listen about why you made that decision (politicians, professional groups, etc), both where you're leaving and where you're arriving. |
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Move. That simple. I wouldn't live in a place like that.
It's like Walter Williams said - "...if you hear that they got Williams' guns, you'll know that Williams is dead.." You can find another career. Your right to bear arms is GUARANTEED by the Constitution of the United States of America. Molon Labe |
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Does anybody have updated info on this bill? When is it supposed to come up for a vote? Rough number of votes for each side? Damn...makes me a bit sorry that I'm moving to IL.
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Go to this site, www.ilga.gov/ on the left type in the bogus HB and it will let you know what is going on. I find it interesting on the history of the bill how many are involved with it. One even withdrew?????
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I just sent a letter through the NRA site to my assorted reps. Very helpful tool.
Can you imagine? Confiscation? |
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Yes, I can imagine it. |
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Excellent letter. The problem is, they don't care about what you're saying, and no logic works against them. After all, we all know that the PRK AWB really helped deminish their crime problems... |
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BTT, just made the call. Let us know what's happening there!
--VT |
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At some point, if this SC court gets Alito, it might be time for an NRA, GOA, et al-sponsored class-action lawsuit against such state laws on grounds of 2nd Amend. violation. With Alito, the court line-up is probably the most gun owner-friendly it could, or will, ever be. At some point, the SCOTUS has to take this issue head-on rather than quietly brushing certiorari petitions aside & allowing the various legislatures to parasitically nibble away at the 2nd Amend, to the point of it being mere words on parchment, as it essentially is today. |
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You need to sell your guns to a family member out of state who you trust. |
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Damn, I'm I glad I got the Fuck outa IL when I had the chance.
What a shitty law. |
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Get out of there if you can. Otherwise, you might want to buy a boat and have yourself a tragic boating accident . Personally, if I couldn't do any of the previous two options, I would hang onto the guns at all costs. Come and take them.
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Getting into firefights over this law would just be plain stupid IMO, it’s not even an option. You’ll have much more positive impact by learning to work with the system instead of against it. Here’s a basic strategy that you should use to combat this. The manufacturers based in Illinois need to do this too.
* Plan on filing a Federal lawsuit claiming that your civil rights are being violate on both Second Amendment grounds and for violations of the “Takings” clause. * Donate money to every State Legislator who might oppose the bill, (even of only $50.00 or so.) and make it clear why you are sending money. Donate money to anyone who runs against a supporter of the bill no matter what they stand for, again, make it clear why. (This isn’t a bribe it’s just supporting people who agree with your position.) * Join the NRA. The NRA is pretty effective as a lobbying organization and a jump in membership in your state might scare off some legislators. * Try to organize political resistance. Get friends and other gun owners to donate to politicians, join the NRA, and write letters. * If all else fails… Move. I’ve been to Illinois and it ain’t that great. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a nice enough place to live, (except Chicago) but you can find places just as good or better all over the country. In all seriousness, if just 1% of the people canceled their cable and used the money they save to support gun rights, then within five years the Government would be issuing full automatic weapons to any citizen that wanted one, and poor people would get “ammo stamps” to help buy training ammo. |
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We are all outraged by this proposed legislation, but just remember to be civil about how it is approached. The liberals want to portray us as crazy guntoting maniacs with too much firepower. If we go flying off the handle at them about this, we will be giving them exactly the negative image that they want us to have and it will be used against us. We should do everything in our power to fight these laws and portray ourselves in a law-abiding, upstanding citizen fashion. Just remember, the internet is a public place too and anything said in these boards is very easily and (probably is) monitored by the gun control lobby. While we all know that some of the things being said here are out of frustration or in jest, the super liberals could use it to demonize us.
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I grew up in Illinois. Chicago politics is like a cancerous brain tumor... |
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What exactly does "subject only to police power" mean? If you IL guys wind up turning in your AR's, make sure you give them ONLY the stripped lowers. You can keep the parts, and buy 80% lowers. Another option is to simply strip the lowers down and hide them until you are able to move out of state. |
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thank you all for the support guys...
this is one giant piece of shit legislation...... this crap needs to stop now not tomorrow or the day after |
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If all of us would sacrifice buying two boxes of Wolf 5.56 and sent the $10 to the legislators that are on your side, that might seriously help. I'd be in for it.
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The NRA-ILA site has some powerful communication tools that can be used to send e-mails to
NRA-ILA, then click Write Your Representatives on the right side I have sent my message, and I do not even live there! Remember YOUR STATE COULD BE NEXT. Do your part ARFCOM'ers! Forgiver |
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This letter is brilliant, and we all should take the time. But, we have got to be honest and say that one reason that we like 30 round magazines is that they improve the ability of our weapons to sustain extended periods of un-interrupted fire (odviously). This is viewed as bad by the liberals, but to someone who may need their weapon for a legitimate reason, in some hellacious situation, it is a godsend. We really should not need so much logic to justify these things, but the many fucked-up wackos out there commiting crimes with mostly cheap, illegally owned guns are working hard to screw it up for everyone who would never do anything to harm an innocent person. |
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I have not up to this point considered joining a pro-2nd Amendment Rights organization, but the legistlation in IL, along with what is going on in other states also, has made me consider joining one...
Does anyone have any thoughts about these organizations? They seem to provide a weighty and direct method of applying pressure to lawmakers. NRA? GOA? JPFO? Maybe I will join all three. I may also form my own organization. The TTTMSIYTYC. Try To Take My Shit If You Think You Can. Also, BTT, because we must fight to protect our rights one way or another. ForgiveR |
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Well, I'm a member of the NRA and 2nd Amendment Foundation (to name a couple).
The NRA has been seeing an increase in their membership recently (wonder why). I would join at least the NRA if I were you. There's nothing wrong with joining an organization that advocates protecting your rights. Just my $.02 |
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Undoubtedly. I expect that I will be joining the NRA very shortly. They appear to be a very professional organization and offer some slick publications for my bathroom reading. his Step two will be to contact the lawmakers in some of these states and let them know my thoughts. We should all try to do our part in this way, because the responsibility to protect the rights of someone in another state belongs to us as well. ForgiveR |
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