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Posted: 2/14/2006 5:45:00 PM EDT
... At what range, shot size & shotgun gage was Dick Cheney's hunting partner hit?
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 5:47:11 PM EDT
CNN said it was a 28ga.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 5:48:03 PM EDT
7 1/2 shot from a 28GA.

Based upon the reports of the shot spread hitting him from the upper hip to the lower face, and the old rule of 1" spread for ever 3' from the muxzzle, I would estimate he was 24-30 yards away.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 5:55:13 PM EDT
and apparently enough penetration to hit his heart...
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 5:57:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Beltfedleadhead:
and apparently enough penetration to hit his heart...



didn't hit his heart - the shot apparently worked its way there.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 6:05:40 PM EDT
Perazzi Shotgun 28 gauge probably a 3/4 oz load penetration probably 1.4" and it is Whittington left side but the report says right side due to they do the investigation as if the victim is facing you.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 6:54:50 PM EDT
It was reported to be a 28guage and the range was about 100 feet.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 6:59:06 PM EDT
28 gauge? is that smaller than a .410?
20 guage is small enough....
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 7:06:50 PM EDT
well he is an old man with heart trouble.

did you expect him to be shooting a 10 gauge with 00 buck?

anyway, they were hunting baby quail.

Don't mean to mock ol' Darth Cheney, I like the guy, but it is pretty easy to poke fun. Hope the guy he shot does okay. Sounded like a mild heart attack, he should recover. And being around Cheney means top flight medical care is only seconds away...
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 8:34:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mikejohnson:
28 gauge? is that smaller than a .410?


Nope. 28Ga is smaller than 20Ga but larger than .410Bore

You dont see much 16Ga or 28Ga anymore.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 8:41:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By mikejohnson:
28 gauge? is that smaller than a .410?


Nope. 28Ga is smaller than 20Ga but larger than .410Bore

You dont see much 16Ga or 28Ga anymore.



I carry a 16 guage but have never heard of a 28 gauge. My daughter carries a .410 but we would like to buy her a 12 gauge soon.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 8:42:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mikejohnson:
28 gauge? is that smaller than a .410?
20 guage is small enough....




.410 bore would be 67 gauge
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 8:43:41 PM EDT
Anyone know the velocity of a 7 1/2 shot lead pellet at 30 yards?
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 8:46:26 PM EDT
Shotgun bore diameter

28-gauge was kind of popular for dove when I was a kid. 20-gauge kind of replaced it for everything small.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 8:48:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By mikejohnson:
28 gauge? is that smaller than a .410?


Nope. 28Ga is smaller than 20Ga but larger than .410Bore

You dont see much 16Ga or 28Ga anymore.



I carry a 16 guage but have never heard of a 28 gauge. My daughter carries a .410 but we would like to buy her a 12 gauge soon.



A 28 gauge shotgun is an awesome quail gun. I've only seen them in more expensive pieces. 16 gauge is very underated as well.

BTW, patty, don't click on any thread I may have authored tonight I keep forgetting that ladies may be surfing GD...
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 11:54:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By llanero:

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By mikejohnson:
28 gauge? is that smaller than a .410?


Nope. 28Ga is smaller than 20Ga but larger than .410Bore

You dont see much 16Ga or 28Ga anymore.



I carry a 16 guage but have never heard of a 28 gauge. My daughter carries a .410 but we would like to buy her a 12 gauge soon.



A 28 gauge shotgun is an awesome quail gun. I've only seen them in more expensive pieces.



There was alot of buzz at SHOT a couple years back when ruger decided to make a 28Ga


IIRC you cannot get anything but birdshot loads for 28Ga. no slugs or buckshot are factory loaded.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 11:58:53 AM EDT
28 ga Perazzi w/ 7.5 shot at 30 yards
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 12:10:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By llanero:

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By mikejohnson:
28 gauge? is that smaller than a .410?


Nope. 28Ga is smaller than 20Ga but larger than .410Bore

You dont see much 16Ga or 28Ga anymore.



I carry a 16 guage but have never heard of a 28 gauge. My daughter carries a .410 but we would like to buy her a 12 gauge soon.



A 28 gauge shotgun is an awesome quail gun. I've only seen them in more expensive pieces. 16 gauge is very underated as well.

BTW, patty, don't click on any thread I may have authored tonight I keep forgetting that ladies may be surfing GD...



lol -- what on earth did you do now? Here's hoping search is working!
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 12:13:00 PM EDT
My skeet gun as a kid was a 28 gauge 1100
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 12:23:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/15/2006 12:23:59 PM EDT by Old_Painless]
The 28 Gauge is a sweet quail gun.

Here I am at the SHOT Show admiring a Perazzi 28 Gauge.



It was one of a 4 Gun Set; 12, 20, 28, and .410.

All for only:



I bet I could really tear up those quail with a hundred thousand dollar shotgun.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 12:32:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
I bet I could really tear up those quail with a hundred thousand dollar shotgun.



I bet I could buy enough pre-shot quail to last the rest of my life for $100,000....
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 12:34:00 PM EDT
Perazzis are beautifully crafted shotguns. I had the pleasure of using a friend's Perazzi 12 ga. O/U during a round of skeet and let me tell you, its like holding a piece of expensive artwork. After the round (shot a 24 by the way) I asked him how much those guns were and I was very glad I handed him the shotgun before he told me the price because I would have dropped the shotgun from sticker shock.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 12:42:33 PM EDT
I've used a 28 gauge exclusively for dove, quail, woodcock,
and grouse for at least fifteen years.
Sold my 20 gauge Parker because the 28 was an all 'round better
balanced gun with a better balanced load for upland hunting...

Three-quarters ounce of 7 1/2 shot (that's 262 pellets +/- at 1290 fps +/-)
out of a 5 pound shotgun.

I don't have the Cheney bank account so I shoot a Renato Gamba (Italian)
O/U. Love it.

Incidently, I believe Bismuth now makes duck loads for the 28. I may explore
it for next duck season.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 12:46:00 PM EDT
WTF you talking about, Cheney is 64, that's not old by a long shot.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 12:58:09 PM EDT
The problem with 28 gauge guns is that everyone thinks they are too puny to work well, and that they are only available in high priced guns. This is faulty thinking and everyone needs to buy more 28 gauge shotguns so the price of ammunition and hulls will come down to the same price as 12 gauge.

28 gauge is available in virtually any common auto, pump, single shot, side by side, or over and under shotgun from every manufacturer. If you buy a CZ (Huglu), the cost is very reasonable and you can get a gun with a 28 gauge frame, not a huge ol' 20 or 12 gauge gun with little barrels.

What are you giving up? Most of us hunt and target shoot with 3/4 ounce loads in 20 gauge, so there is no ballistic difference (unless you believe the 28 has inherently better patterns; I don't know about that). Most of us bird hunt with 1 to 1 1/4 ounce loads in 12 gauge; not a tremendous difference in the number of pellets there, either, and the shot speeds are identical.

If you only shoot a 12 gauge, you are missing out. The difference in carrying the guns is remarkable.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 1:01:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By mikejohnson:
28 gauge? is that smaller than a .410?


Nope. 28Ga is smaller than 20Ga but larger than .410Bore

You dont see much 16Ga or 28Ga anymore.


Actually 28ga is pretty popular, just not in the self defense realm

For mj, 28 ga is .55" IIRC.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 1:05:53 PM EDT
12-gauge and 20-gauge are popular around here. I've only heard of kids and college age women using 16-gauge (everyone I know who had one as a kid shot the crap out of it and then upgraded to 12-gauge). 10-gauge and .410 are almost as popular, 28-gauge isn't very common but a lot of the older guys who frequent the gun shops still use it. Heck, there's enough people around here with old 8-gauge shotguns that you can buy a box of shells from the dealer here. About the only thing you can't find around here is 9mm rimfire, and there's still one or two collectors in the area who take theirs out every once in a while.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 1:31:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
I bet I could really tear up those quail with a hundred thousand dollar shotgun.



I bet I could buy enough pre-shot quail to last the rest of my life for $100,000....



I believe that you missed the whole point of quail "hunting", old buddy.

Until you've stood behind a great English Pointer and shot a covey rise, you've never lived.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 1:45:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 1:56:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Both of us left feeling we had royally screwed the other guy.



The true sign of a good gun deal.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 2:29:44 PM EDT
I've got a 16 gauge Winchester Model 12. Nice shotgun. Hard to find ammo though.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 2:31:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/15/2006 2:34:47 PM EDT by Combat_Jack]

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Originally Posted By mikejohnson:
28 gauge? is that smaller than a .410?


Nope. 28Ga is smaller than 20Ga but larger than .410Bore

You dont see much 16Ga or 28Ga anymore.



My first gun was a single shot break action 28 gauge. Many birds fell to their deaths, stung by that little weapon.

A friend hunts with a old Parker 28 guage. It is, without any doubt in my mind, the NICEST upland bird game I have ever handled. It weighs probably less than 6 pounds and points like a dream. If I ever have $15,000 to blow on shotguns, thats my first choice!

ETA: the problem with most 16 and 28ga guns is that they are built on 12 and 20 gauge frames. To get one built on the proper frame is simply an awesome thing.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 2:33:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 2:45:08 PM EDT
I uh...mistook that comma for a period at first.

I am completely unfamiliar with Perazzi. Time for research.

I still don't understand the price for some shotguns.


Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
The 28 Gauge is a sweet quail gun.

Here I am at the SHOT Show admiring a Perazzi 28 Gauge.

photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=45069

It was one of a 4 Gun Set; 12, 20, 28, and .410.

All for only:

photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=45070

I bet I could really tear up those quail with a hundred thousand dollar shotgun.

Link Posted: 2/15/2006 2:53:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jrzy:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/Pennville_Bill/Other%20Stuff/CheneyKenneCheney.jpg




....and twice on Saturday!

I want one of those for my truck!!
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 2:59:42 PM EDT
28 gauges are not common in hunting and used mainly by serious upland hunters
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 3:02:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 3:04:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 3:57:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sylvan:

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:

Originally Posted By AeroE:
The problem with 28 gauge guns is that everyone thinks they are too puny to work well, and that they are only available in high priced guns. This is faulty thinking and everyone needs to buy more 28 gauge shotguns so the price of ammunition and hulls will come down to the same price as 12 gauge.

28 gauge is available in virtually any common auto, pump, single shot, side by side, or over and under shotgun from every manufacturer. If you buy a CZ (Huglu), the cost is very reasonable and you can get a gun with a 28 gauge frame, not a huge ol' 20 or 12 gauge gun with little barrels.

What are you giving up? Most of us hunt and target shoot with 3/4 ounce loads in 20 gauge, so there is no ballistic difference (unless you believe the 28 has inherently better patterns; I don't know about that). Most of us bird hunt with 1 to 1 1/4 ounce loads in 12 gauge; not a tremendous difference in the number of pellets there, either, and the shot speeds are identical.

If you only shoot a 12 gauge, you are missing out. The difference in carrying the guns is remarkable.



I went through a phase where I thought it would be "cool" to use a Browning Citori in 28 ga. It was a beautiful little gun--brand new but a dozen or more years old when I got it--$600 including the factory case for it. I was elated!

I took it quail hunting and had a dismal time trying to knock them down. Not to brag but killing a limit with an SKS 12 ga. SXS was easy. I couldn't knock birds down consistently to save my soul with the little Browning. I also ran beagles at the time and decided it would be just as "cool" in Dec./Jan. to use it for popping bunnies. We virtually always shot them coming toward us, often sitting still, and rarely farther than 20 yards. I consistently watched my shot pattern kick up dust all around the bunny--and it kept going. One after another.

The next summer I traded that little gun for a double-door gun safe. Both of us left feeling we had royally screwed the other guy.


You needed to put a few rounds of skeet through the gun, first.



My skeet score is about 2 birds higher with my 28 gauge. Now before anyone gets their panties in a wad, I would guess I have probably shot no more than 30 games of skeet - right now it's real convenient, I can shoot 2 or 3 rounds and be home in an hour or so.

If you can shoot a 12 and are having problems with a 28, then either the gun doesn't shoot to the point of aim, the fit is way out, or you suck at shooting shotguns.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 5:19:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Londo:
I've used a 28 gauge exclusively for dove, quail, woodcock,
and grouse for at least fifteen years.



WOODCOCK!! I've never seen one of those before!! Are they dangerous!?
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 5:22:31 PM EDT
I heard Cheney say the guy was about 30 yards away.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 7:25:19 PM EDT
How much powder is in one of those 3/4 oz. 28-ga shells?
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 7:42:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By azhammer:

Originally Posted By Londo:
I've used a 28 gauge exclusively for dove, quail, woodcock,
and grouse for at least fifteen years.



WOODCOCK!! I've never seen one of those before!! Are they dangerous!?





I wouldn't think so...
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