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Posted: 2/14/2006 6:42:16 AM EDT
[#1]
I've seen a lot of Bobbies in this neck of the woods wearing 'fatigue' style clothing. They're all black/dark-blue, and seem quite practical while still retaining the police appearance. I see no reason for them to be in camouflage. Only thing I don't like is that their badge/shield is printed onto the shirt, I think they should retain the real badge.
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Posted: 2/14/2006 6:52:59 AM EDT
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At the local Sheriff Dept the CSIs, Accident Reconstructionists, and the CLU (covert lab unit, aka meth unit) guys get to wear a brown BDU styled uniform. Everyone else still wears the traditional style uniform. The BDUs are strictly a functional thing.
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Posted: 2/14/2006 6:57:31 AM EDT
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I dig the BDU's. I didn't know that policework was a vanity job.
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:01:59 AM EDT
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Im all for cotton uniforms, but mot military cut uniforms. LEOs are far from military with a completely different job, when the military is patrolling Americas streets then I will say its ok for police to wear military style uniforms; because the SHTF and I want all my targets to look alike.
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:02:31 AM EDT
[#5]
I believe the BDU's would be a lot better than wearing some cheesy polyester cheap shit
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:05:25 AM EDT
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Our Traffic Homicide Investigators (me being one of them) are issued one piece Navy Blue Jump suits to wear on call outs. They look like flight suits with reflective wording and stripes on them along with our name and badge emroidered on the front. These work pretty well. I like the one peice design in keeping the glass and debris out, and the ripstop material repels broken glass better than a standard cotton T shirt. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:10:02 AM EDT
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He's obviously mistaken those dirigibles that hang around gun shops and gun shows for police officers. 
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:12:45 AM EDT
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A fairly large city near me switched back to blue "Officer Friendly" uniforms from their black tactical ninja suits so apparently there is something more to this perception than arfkom tinfoil hat nonsense. I accidently bought some 5.11 uniform pants that I thought were regular 5.11 pants (doh!) and the material sucks (it's some kind of cheezy polyester) but the cut of the pants is fine, I've used them for 3 gun type type stuff and they work as well as BDUs but still look like regular pants, some have the side pocket, but that's so common in casual pants now that I don't think it stands out. The material is TERRIBLE, but the cut of the pants is more prefessional looking than BDUs and works just as well. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:19:42 AM EDT
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Any chance you could tell me which pants those were? I like my regular 5.11s too, and was contemplating trying to sell the boss on switching to 5.11 uniform pants. What's terrible about the material? I really like the look of both the Class A and Class B pants. It's a much more professional look than standard BDU style pants. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:25:14 AM EDT
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I can see wearing BDU's, they are more durable and lOTS more comfortable, but I dont see the point of a Patrol Officer/Deputy wearing CAMO, maybe green or brown but CAMO should be left to the TAAC/SWAT/ERT/TRT etc;
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:33:07 AM EDT
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I am not a LEO and have never been one. I am friends with several and have 3 in my immediate family. A couple of our local Co units have gone to either the blue or black BDU uniforms. All of those guys were very happy to change to something that comfortable. I have always questioned dressing a public servant who may be called upon to "get physical" at a moments notice in what amounted to a formal suit. Seems to me they can have the button down with tie for formal dress occasions but real world clothes for duty. JMO
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:33:33 AM EDT
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It would be trivial to tailor a uniform that looks formal but is very comfortable. Unfortunately we seem to be addicted to god-awful cheap fabrics that feel awful no matter how they are cut. I remember the slithery cheapness of my old rent-a-cop uniform. The entire thing was 100% polyester. It felt like I was wearing a Hefty bag after an hour or two. I suspect many cops favor the BDU because they dislike the cheaply made dress uniforms they used to wear.
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:45:47 AM EDT
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I think "Class A" does not have the side pockets and "Class B" does have the side pockets. I have a couple of each. Sportsmansguide had them real cheap and I was not paying attention when I got them. The ones I have must be the "polyrayon" I guess they also have "polywool" The rayon is very light, the wind cuts right through it, maybe it would be okay in Georgia, but it's just not very warm and provides little wind protection. It looks like polyester to me. Maybe you're supposed to also buy the wool ones for winter use? Would a department pay for that? The cops I know only get one type of uniform around here as far as I know. The pants have regular rear and front pockets and there is a zippered smaller pocket in the right hand front side. The ones with the side pockets on the legs also have a "hidden" pocket behind the main pocket where you could attach the 5.11 velcro holsters that hold stuff like a back up gun, mags etc. They also have a sap pocket on the back of each leg, I think they call it a "flashlight pocket" but having a flashlight in there would be really annoying as you would basically be sitting on it. These pants are nowhere as nice as the regular 5.11 tactical pants made out of the heavy cloth. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:49:38 AM EDT
[#14]
well, you certainly live up to your name...at least the second half... 
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:52:03 AM EDT
[#15]
We do not need military-like police officers! The military's job is to engage the enemy and ruin their day in any way possible. Police are here to serve and protect people. When we have police that lean toward the “Crush, Kill and Destroy” mentality, then the public will quite understandably react in a (much) less than supportive way. In an adversarial relationship between the general population and police, everyone loses. Joe citizen ends up on the losing end of the nightstick, and cops end up very alone out there. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:54:57 AM EDT
[#16]
 Now that that is out of the way, I have no problem with functional uniforms for LE. Gotta keep with the times, ya know? I think a Khaki, or Blue cotton utility uniform, like BDUs, but cut to look slightly more "neat" Basically - look at the Border Patrol. Utilitarian, but with a positive image, that clearly says "Law Enforcement" not "JBT" You'll forgive me if I feel uncomfortable with black BDUs and bloused jump boots on LE. Kinda puts out a negative image. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 7:58:31 AM EDT
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Just gotta look at the middle east for the effects of overly militarized police. Course here they have to be or they are dead. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 8:03:29 AM EDT
[#18]
What does this have to do with a uniform? |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 8:07:42 AM EDT
[#19]
Clothes make the man! Didn't you ever see the Bugs Bunny where Elmer is chasing Bugs and a truck full of hats dumps hats all over, everytime a hat falls on their head their personality changes! |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 8:07:49 AM EDT
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This I agree with, either a short or long sleeve version of the top. I would tend to think a khaki or grey would be a better choice than black, black gets hot fast but I guess its up to the department to protect against heat injury. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 8:12:22 AM EDT
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You should feel a new set of ACUs, they feel pretty cheap before you wash them a few times. Not soft at all like a new set of BDUs. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 8:16:08 AM EDT
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I just love Bugs Bunny comparrissons! You know why Bugs is so sly? All his background music is Wagner!
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Posted: 2/14/2006 8:16:54 AM EDT
[#23]
Haven’t you heard? Law enforcement officers are no longer civilians, they’ve joined the ranks of the armed forces.
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Posted: 2/14/2006 8:17:35 AM EDT
[#24]
Yup, all seem to be holier than thou... 
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Posted: 2/14/2006 8:23:49 AM EDT
[#25]
There is a Sheriff's Department around here that has gone with the dark BDU pants, bloused boot, polo/golf shirt, and a baseball cap. Looks very comfortable at least. We have Dark Blue ODUs(Operational Dress Uniform, shirt tucked in) in the USCG, alot more comfortable and durable than the polyester blend crap they used to make us wear for work/utility uniforms. The dark colored pants are allright looking but I still laugh when I see Camo on LEOs in the middle of a city or something.
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Posted: 2/14/2006 8:40:07 AM EDT
[#26]
They remind me of the Dallas SWAT clown commandoes minus the APC
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Posted: 2/14/2006 9:49:08 AM EDT
[#27]
Actually they do. Imagine stripping down naked in front of another man. Now imagine doing it in front of a man with a white smock and a stethoscope. There have been plenty of studies that the clothes an actor wears do indeed make the man and affect their personality.
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Posted: 2/14/2006 9:51:12 AM EDT
[#28]
Woodland is a little silly for everyday wear, but I really don't care what they wear.
As long as it's not assless chaps. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 9:52:47 AM EDT
[#29]
Wow, 4 pages of discussion. Really, all we are talking about is pants. Is it really that big a deal?
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Posted: 2/14/2006 9:53:35 AM EDT
[#30]
Heheheh. Just brilliant. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 9:54:02 AM EDT
[#31]
I think that technically all chaps are assless. Otherwise they'd be pants. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 9:54:42 AM EDT
[#32]
Maybe we could start another abortion thread instead?
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Posted: 2/14/2006 10:13:19 AM EDT
[#33]
I agree with the blue/brown/black BDU's being a more comfortable and practical uniform. I was issued blue BDU's when I was working the street as a Medic. My whole reason for the post was the woodland camo, and my thoughts on it's look and image they project.
Don't take this as a bashing thread, a LEO job is tough and thank less most of the time. The mentioned uniform had the name tapes and all just like the mill. No badge just a sewn on badge with the department name. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 10:25:35 AM EDT
[#34]
Problem is that a good majority of PDs and police are nothing more than uber-tactical wanna-be's. Most have alittle more training than your average mall-ninja and a limited understanding of the laws they have been hired to enforce. One of my Privates has more weapons training than the average police officer. This isnt necessarily the officers fault, but simply a reflection of their limited budget. This continued movement to para-military police forces really bothers me.
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Posted: 2/14/2006 10:50:44 AM EDT
[#35]
Very insightful. The exception are the officers that are really into training and go on the SRT/SWAT-type stuff and the big-city cops that work the tough beats and fight all the time. I was 11B (light infantry) with all the hooah badges before I tried my hand at police work. I was actually resented by my superiors for the training I had. The people I worked with had no idea how to clear a hallway or enter a room. When I tried to share what I knew, they basically told me "You've been here 3 months so you don't know shit. STFU". Anyhoo, it all comes down to one thing: FM 7-8. All the high speed tactical stuff SRT/SWAT units do is all in that one book whether they know it or not. If you truley have an understanding of what's in FM 7-8 and can apply it, you qualify for any SWAT team in America. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 11:01:49 AM EDT
[#36]
Since every officers uniform allowance is only so many dollars, it is natural that they would want uniforms in a material that will last against the rigors of ther job. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 11:04:09 AM EDT
[#37]
No shit. Even the "traditional" wool police uniform was originally militasry. So was the 1911 and the M1 carbine that were used by police for decades. You want to look at the "militarization" of LE you better look back at least 100 years. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 11:11:13 AM EDT
[#38]
60% of the cops in my department have at least 4yrs active duty military service. 30% are currently in the reserves or NG. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 11:18:00 AM EDT
[#39]
AR15fan
Member Joined :: March 2001 Post Number :: 19149 CA, USA User Info IM User Email User Reply Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: Problem is that a good majority of PDs and police are nothing more than uber-tactical wanna-be's. Most have alittle more training than your average mall-ninja and a limited understanding of the laws they have been hired to enforce. One of my Privates has more weapons training than the average police officer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 60% of the cops in my department have at least 4yrs active duty military service. 30% are currently in the reserves or NG. And? Are they combat arms or Poges types? How long was their break in service(ie skills rusty)? NG and Reserves do not qualifiy IWQ as much as active duty does, + relective fire, CCO, ACOG, ETC. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 11:56:21 AM EDT
[#40]
It's a big deal to those who don't like cops apparently. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 12:11:43 PM EDT
[#41]
Ah, you throw out the obvious troll baiting, its actually a pretty decent discusssion on service wear and public relations. After all, what do you care that somebody dislikes cops cause he got a ticket once or a cop wouldn't take their insults face to face.
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Posted: 2/14/2006 12:14:02 PM EDT
[#42]
Damn it. Busted again. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 12:43:04 PM EDT
[#43]
I left active duty in 01 and found the system we use on the police side of the house to do warrant services (raid for lack of a better term) much more effective than what I learned in the military. I dont if things have changed much since then, but I know our methods work pretty damn well. When it comes to slow delibrate style clears, I stick with what I've learned at various courses I've attnded. The basics taught in our academy are decent, but by no menas the best way to get the job done. Now that I help teach that block of training, I'm trying to pass along what I know to the new guys (especially in the area of low light operations). |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 12:44:05 PM EDT
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Also let me add that my original comments about BDUs were in reference to blue color BDUs; not woodland ones. I dont see much use in woodland outside of very few select "tactical" type operations.
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Posted: 2/14/2006 1:07:53 PM EDT
[#45]
Did you hear the guy Cheney shot had a heart attack!!?
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Posted: 2/14/2006 1:26:53 PM EDT
[#46]
 Pic resized. To me, that is a good balance between functionality and professionalism in terms of a uniform. The material is BDUish, but the style looks professional. How does everyone else feel? |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 1:49:44 PM EDT
[#47]
well, lets see:
1) It's the same style of uniform that I currently wear and there seems to be no additonal pockets of any type. 2) Metal badge and nameplate are a no-go for high(er) intensity policing. If the uniform is to be truly utilitarian, a cloth badge replicating the metal one and an embroidered nametape would be preferable. 3) Leather duty gear is not optimal. too heavy. Synthetic, a-la Sfariland or nylon duty gear is the way to go. 4) The color is good. My agency however , wears solid grey with a balck stripe on the trousers. A grey bdu style uniform would look okay, but it show dirt easily, like my Bravo's already do. Overall I would give the uniform depicted a C-; decent but not really what the doctor ordered. Oh, and by the way, that dude needs to press his frickin' uniform. He looks like a rag-bag. |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 2:02:09 PM EDT
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Yep not bad at all but do agree with 101327 that most would prefer more pockets. The color would obviously be more acceptable to the public than camo. On a funny note, classic cops uniforms don't personally phase me. I grew up seeing them and interfacing with officers in uniform all my life. Being ex-service, I actually find SWAT black and camo almost funny but green sends me into hiding. Being an avid outdoorsman and boater, I know the real power outdoors isn't my LEOs but wildlife guys. They can write a shitpot load of tickets and take stuff. I'm not common though.Tj |
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Posted: 2/14/2006 2:12:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2006 2:23:47 PM EDT
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I agree. The police are civilians not soldiers. |
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