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Posted: 2/4/2006 12:13:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/4/2006 12:20:55 PM EDT by 22bad]
Just wait, it is going to get much worse in the next five years

I have come to believe that they won't militarize the border because it would hurt the drug trade

Border task force seizes weapons cache in Texas
Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
February 4, 2006
washingtontimes.com/national/20060203-111444-9836r.htm
Federal agents and local police assigned to a border security task force have seized two homemade bombs, material for 33 more, grenades, machine gun assembly kits and other weapons, drugs and cash in separate raids in Laredo, Texas.
The bombs and other paraphernalia are thought to belong to or be destined for rival drug cartels across the Rio Grande in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, where a brutal yearlong war over the control of drug and alien smuggling routes into the United States has raged.
More than 150 people -- including the police chief, a city councilman and 13 police officers -- have been killed in the Mexican border town over the last year.
"Keeping explosives and other high-powered weaponry out of the hands of violent criminal organizations is a central focus of the new Border Enforcement and Security Task Force," said Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Julie L. Myers, who heads U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
"As these seizures and arrests demonstrate, ICE is working day and night with its task force partners to stem the tide of violence that has been ravaging border communities in south Texas in recent months," said Mrs. Myers in announcing the seizures during a press conference in San Antonio.
The seizures occurred during separate raids on homes in Laredo over the past week by task force members from ICE; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; and the FBI, along with officers from the Laredo Police Department.
Seized were two completed bombs, material for 33 more, 300 primers, 3,880 rounds of ammunition, 5 grenade shells, 9 pipes with end caps, 26 grenade triggers, 31 grenade spoons, 40 grenade pins, 19 black powder casings, 91 firearm magazines, 4 silencers, 6 kits to assemble fully automatic weapons, 20 assembled firearms including AK-47s and AR-15s, two Uzi assault weapons, two bulletproof vests, sniper scopes, police scanners and pinhole cameras, along with other pistols and rifles.
Also found was cocaine, methamphetamine, 400 pounds of marijuana and $5,000 in cash.

The bombs were described by ICE officials as improvised explosive devices, the formal name for a homemade device often used in unconventional warfare by terrorists, guerrillas or commando forces. It usually consists of an explosive charge, a detonator and a mechanism either mechanical or electronic, known as the initiation system.
The task force, formerly known as "Operation Black Jack," is a Homeland Security-led, intelligence-driven operation created in Laredo in July to share information and target the leadership and supporting infrastructure of violent criminal organizations operating in the Laredo and Nuevo Laredo areas.
Since its inception, task force members have arrested 28 persons and seized 36 assault rifles, 10 handguns, 5 silencers, a large quantity of weapons components, kits, and ammunition, as well as roughly 700 pounds of marijuana, 336 pounds of cocaine, 1.5 pounds of methamphetamine and $1.14 million in cash.
Other task force members are from U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, the U.S. Marshals Service and the Texas Department of Public Safety.
Last month, officials at Homeland Security said several new task forces would be created along the border based on the Laredo model, assigned the task of eliminating the top leadership and supporting infrastructures that sustain cross-border criminal organizations.
The next task force will begin operations in Arizona following the completion of a threat assessment of the area.
Much of the violence in Nuevo Laredo has been attributed by U.S. and Mexican authorities to a renegade band of Mexican military deserters known as the Zetas, who were trained in the U.S. as an elite force of anti-drug commandos. About 200 strong, they have since signed on as mercenaries for Mexican drug traffickers.

eta: I added a question mark to the title
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 12:16:12 PM EDT
Sheriff Warns Of Border Terrorist Threats
2-4-06
www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/2255382.html
A deputy sheriff warned federal lawmakers Friday that drug traffickers are helping suspected terrorists cross from Mexico into Texas.

Val Verde County chief deputy Terry Simons offered little evidence publicly of his claims before congressmen at a meeting in Houston.

The FBI couldn't immediately confirm the lawman's account.

Simons says Texas authorities have learned of newly established camps in Mexico, where so-called "narco-terrorists" are getting trained.

Congressman John Culberson says the FBI told him that suspected terrorists have adopted Hispanic surnames and are blending in with other illegal immigrants.

U.S. Senator John Cornyn, appearing in Austin, said immigration reform and border security are high on the chamber's agenda and could be addressed as early as mid-March.

Earlier Friday in San Antonio, federal authorities announced nearly 30 arrests and the seizure of explosives, machine guns and other weapons in a crackdown that started in July in Laredo.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 12:21:26 PM EDT
just what defines a SNIPER SCOPE???
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 12:36:17 PM EDT
About 60% of that stuff was legal to own or, while having the strong possibility of being owned illegally, could potentially be legal to own.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 12:39:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By hawkeye4771:
just what defines a SNIPER SCOPE???



It has teh "Tasco" markings on it.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 12:46:24 PM EDT
Lessee....

sniper scopes........................check
Ak's.........................Check
AR's...........................Check
Lot's of ammo................Check
Handguns........................check
components and ammunition..............check
magazines....................check
scanners........................check
other pistols and rifles................check



Holy Fuck! I must be a criminal!!! My neighbors might see some of this stuff and turn me in because only criminals have these sorts of things and then the BATF will swoop down, burn my compound and shoot my dog!

Link Posted: 2/4/2006 12:51:11 PM EDT

Seized were two completed bombs, material for 33 more, 300 primers, 3,880 rounds of ammunition, 5 grenade shells, 9 pipes with end caps, 26 grenade triggers, 31 grenade spoons, 40 grenade pins, 19 black powder casings, 91 firearm magazines, 4 silencers, 6 kits to assemble fully automatic weapons, 20 assembled firearms including AK-47s and AR-15s, two Uzi assault weapons, two bulletproof vests, sniper scopes, police scanners and pinhole cameras, along with other pistols and rifles.
Also found was cocaine, methamphetamine, 400 pounds of marijuana and $5,000 in cash.



This is the stuff they found this week

I don't think it is for sale, it is inside the US and they are\were planning on USING it inside the US
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 12:53:15 PM EDT

Seized were two completed bombs illegal, material for 33 more legal you have to prove intent, 300 primers legal, 3,880 rounds of ammunition legal, 5 grenade shells legal, 9 pipes with end caps legal, 26 grenade triggers legal, 31 grenade spoons legal, 40 grenade pins legal, 19 black powder casings legal, 91 firearm magazines legal, 4 silencers legal with paperwork, 6 kits to assemble fully automatic weapons legal, 20 assembled firearms including AK-47s legal and AR-15s legal, two Uzi assault weapons legal, two bulletproof vests legal, sniper scopes legal, police scanners legal and pinhole cameraslegal, along with other pistols legal and rifles legal.


Wow, infact the only real illegal things listed in the article are the explosives and drugs.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 12:57:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By x5060:

Seized were two completed bombs illegal, material for 33 more legal you have to prove intent, 300 primers legal, 3,880 rounds of ammunition legal, 5 grenade shells legal, 9 pipes with end caps legal, 26 grenade triggers legal, 31 grenade spoons legal, 40 grenade pins legal, 19 black powder casings legal, 91 firearm magazines legal, 4 silencers legal with paperwork, 6 kits to assemble fully automatic weapons legal, 20 assembled firearms including AK-47s legal and AR-15s legal, two Uzi assault weapons legal, two bulletproof vests legal, sniper scopes legal, police scanners legal and pinhole cameraslegal, along with other pistols legal and rifles legal.


Wow, infact the only real illegal things listed in the article are the explosives and drugs.



Why don't they mention the kinds of vehicles they drive and clothes they wear? Those are as likely to be used in whatever crimes they are committing as the guns.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 1:01:03 PM EDT
Bombs, bomb making materials, GRENADES, silencers, illegal machine gun kits?

Those are the parts that I thought were important, I guess you have a "different take"
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 1:13:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/4/2006 6:53:28 PM EDT by lippo]

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
About 60% of that stuff was legal to own or, while having the strong possibility of being owned illegally, could potentially be legal to own.






You have me confused. Owned illegally? Granted a felon would get in trouble over some of this stuff and the drugs, but I'd be these are illegal aliens with no record surrounding them.

Lets see...

Seized were
- two completed bombs...sure, illegal, unless you pay the government first
- material for 33 more... Probably ammonia and steel wool
- 300 primers... Not illegal
- 3,880 rounds of ammunition... Not illegal...lightweights
- 5 grenade shells...Not illegal
- 9 pipes with end caps...Not illegal
- 26 grenade triggers...Probably dead ones, the kind you find at a gun show...
- 31 grenade spoons...
- 40 grenade pins...
- 19 black powder casings...
- 91 firearm magazines...
- 4 silencers...sure, illegal, unless you pay the government first
- 6 kits to assemble fully automatic weapons...
- 20 assembled firearms including AK-47s and AR-15s...Most likely semi-automatics, only illegal if you are a felon.
- two Uzi assault weapons...Most likely semi-automatics, only illegal if you are a felon.
- two bulletproof vests......only illegal if you are a felon.
- sniper scopes...more high tech than a regular scope?
- police scanners and pinhole cameras...Drug trade or wantabe James Bonds?
- along with other pistols and rifles....only illegal if you are a felon

Which leads too...


"Keeping explosives and other high-powered weaponry out of the hands of violent criminal organizations is a central focus of the new Border Enforcement and Security Task Force," said Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Julie L. Myers, who heads U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).


Probably 6 guys that consider themselves the Texas Militia. Most likely like this guy....



Placing "The Individualist Anarchist " with your name is not a good idea.





"As these seizures and arrests demonstrate, ICE is working day and night with its task force partners to stem the tide of violence that has been ravaging border communities in south Texas in recent months," said Mrs. Myers in announcing the seizures during a press conference in San Antonio.



Just like the ATF at Waco...got to show they are doing something to get that funding! I wonder when the next mass murder and burning will be?



The seizures occurred during separate raids on homes in Laredo over the past week by task force members from ICE; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; and the FBI, along with officers from the Laredo Police Department.


I'm surprized they didn't kill anybody or burn their houses down.



Also found was cocaine, methamphetamine, 400 pounds of marijuana and $5,000 in cash.


That border security sure is working isn't it?



The bombs were described by ICE officials as improvised explosive devices, the formal name for a homemade device often used in unconventional warfare by terrorists, guerrillas or commando forces.


Looks like someone has been talking to a gun shop owner/worker or someone at a gun show. You know how all those "ex-Navy Seals" will educate you on anything you want to know about.



It usually consists of an explosive charge, a detonator and a mechanism either mechanical or electronic, known as the initiation system.


And it would be another set up?



The task force, formerly known as "Operation Black Jack Boot Thugs," is a Homeland Security-led, intelligence-driven operation created in Laredo in July to share information and target the leadership and supporting infrastructure of violent criminal white militia organizations operating in the Laredo and Nuevo Laredo areas.

You know how those Latino Border Patrol Agents can be.


Since its inception, task force members have arrested 28 persons and seized 36 assault rifles, 10 handguns, 5 silencers, a large quantity of weapons components, kits, and ammunition, as well as roughly 700 pounds of marijuana, 336 pounds of cocaine, 1.5 pounds of methamphetamine and $1.14 million in cash.



Ok, so you busted drug dealers/smugglers...most likely illegals from Mexico, so why does the media have to portray ALL firearms as "living breathing terrorists on a rampage"?



Sorry, freakin media...rogue federal agents bent on "doing their job" with zeal...tryannical government not doing ANYTHING to stop to the drug trade or the illegal invasion of our country...pathetic.


Or it they probably arrested these two criminals...



You know...the 7th grader terrorist group!
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 1:24:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:
Just wait, it is going to get much worse in the next five years

I have come to believe that they won't militarize the border because it would hurt the drug trade

Border task force seizes weapons cache in Texas
Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
February 4, 2006
washingtontimes.com/national/20060203-111444-9836r.htm
Federal agents and local police assigned to a border security task force have seized two homemade bombs, material for 33 more, grenades, machine gun assembly kits and other weapons, drugs and cash in separate raids in Laredo, Texas.
The bombs and other paraphernalia are thought to belong to or be destined for rival drug cartels across the Rio Grande in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, where a brutal yearlong war over the control of drug and alien smuggling routes into the United States has raged.
More than 150 people -- including the police chief, a city councilman and 13 police officers -- have been killed in the Mexican border town over the last year.
"Keeping explosives and other high-powered weaponry out of the hands of violent criminal organizations is a central focus of the new Border Enforcement and Security Task Force," said Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Julie L. Myers, who heads U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
"As these seizures and arrests demonstrate, ICE is working day and night with its task force partners to stem the tide of violence that has been ravaging border communities in south Texas in recent months," said Mrs. Myers in announcing the seizures during a press conference in San Antonio.
The seizures occurred during separate raids on homes in Laredo over the past week by task force members from ICE; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; and the FBI, along with officers from the Laredo Police Department.
Seized were two completed bombs, material for 33 more, 300 primers, 3,880 rounds of ammunition, 5 grenade shells, 9 pipes with end caps, 26 grenade triggers, 31 grenade spoons, 40 grenade pins, 19 black powder casings, 91 firearm magazines, 4 silencers, 6 kits to assemble fully automatic weapons, 20 assembled firearms including AK-47s and AR-15s, two Uzi assault weapons, two bulletproof vests, sniper scopes, police scanners and pinhole cameras, along with other pistols and rifles.
Also found was cocaine, methamphetamine, 400 pounds of marijuana and $5,000 in cash.

The bombs were described by ICE officials as improvised explosive devices, the formal name for a homemade device often used in unconventional warfare by terrorists, guerrillas or commando forces. It usually consists of an explosive charge, a detonator and a mechanism either mechanical or electronic, known as the initiation system.
The task force, formerly known as "Operation Black Jack," is a Homeland Security-led, intelligence-driven operation created in Laredo in July to share information and target the leadership and supporting infrastructure of violent criminal organizations operating in the Laredo and Nuevo Laredo areas.
Since its inception, task force members have arrested 28 persons and seized 36 assault rifles, 10 handguns, 5 silencers, a large quantity of weapons components, kits, and ammunition, as well as roughly 700 pounds of marijuana, 336 pounds of cocaine, 1.5 pounds of methamphetamine and $1.14 million in cash.
Other task force members are from U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, the U.S. Marshals Service and the Texas Department of Public Safety.
Last month, officials at Homeland Security said several new task forces would be created along the border based on the Laredo model, assigned the task of eliminating the top leadership and supporting infrastructures that sustain cross-border criminal organizations.
The next task force will begin operations in Arizona following the completion of a threat assessment of the area.
Much of the violence in Nuevo Laredo has been attributed by U.S. and Mexican authorities to a renegade band of Mexican military deserters known as the Zetas, who were trained in the U.S. as an elite force of anti-drug commandos. About 200 strong, they have since signed on as mercenaries for Mexican drug traffickers.

eta: I added a question mark to the title



OH MY GOD! Grenade spoons and pins, a pinhole camera....clearly these people wer bent on world domination......

While it sounds like this was probably a good bust with the drugs and cash and such, it is amusing to see what makes the press wet its panties.....
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 1:28:52 PM EDT
Any body got a pic of a Black Powder casing ??
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 1:45:26 PM EDT
Lippo,

What exactly makes up a Semi-automatic bulletproof vest?
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 2:22:35 PM EDT
How much you want to bet those were not real "Silencer"s (TM) - I mean the H.P. Maxim Company has been out of business a long time...
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 2:37:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:
Sheriff Warns Of Border Terrorist Threats
2-4-06
www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/2255382.html
A deputy sheriff warned federal lawmakers Friday that drug traffickers are helping suspected terrorists cross from Mexico into Texas.

Val Verde County chief deputy Terry Simons offered little evidence publicly of his claims before congressmen at a meeting in Houston.

The FBI couldn't immediately confirm the lawman's account.

Simons says Texas authorities have learned of newly established camps in Mexico, where so-called "narco-terrorists" are getting trained.

Congressman John Culberson says the FBI told him that suspected terrorists have adopted Hispanic surnames and are blending in with other illegal immigrants.

U.S. Senator John Cornyn, appearing in Austin, said immigration reform and border security are high on the chamber's agenda and could be addressed as early as mid-March.

Earlier Friday in San Antonio, federal authorities announced nearly 30 arrests and the seizure of explosives, machine guns and other weapons in a crackdown that started in July in Laredo.



I wonder if they would sign my ATF forms for the SBRs and suppressors I want to get? Maybe it is time to incorporate...

Spooky
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 6:31:18 PM EDT
Just a note, the "300 Primers" listed are called blasting caps in the other media reports.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 6:51:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/4/2006 6:58:08 PM EDT by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By hawkeye4771:
just what defines a SNIPER SCOPE???



Obviously they mean the Korean Era Sniper Scope, by that name. This beast is a danger to all manimal-kind...because it's sure to fry your swimmers.







Incidentally, they're illegal by name in California. Good thing I have a Hunter Scope on my rifle.

EDIT: As to WACO, the ATF never allowed anybody to look at the supposed machine guns that were present so nobody was able to verify it. In other words, they lied.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 6:52:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dracster:
Lippo,

What exactly makes up a Semi-automatic bulletproof vest?







Cut and paste is a bitch sometimes huh?


Link Posted: 2/4/2006 7:00:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:
Just wait, it is going to get much worse in the next five years and steadily afterwards. Wonder why they went after this group?

I have come to believe that they won't militarize the border because it would hurt the drug trade Maybe the illegal mexican drug runners are taking away business from the official state sponsored mexican drug runners and Jorge asked Bush for a little help in eliminating the competition

Border task force seizes weapons cache in Texas
Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
February 4, 2006
washingtontimes.com/national/20060203-111444-9836r.htm
Federal agents and local police assigned to a border security task force have seized two homemade bombs, material for 33 more, grenades, machine gun assembly kits and other weapons, drugs and cash in separate raids in Laredo, Texas.
The bombs and other paraphernalia are thought to belong to or be destined for rival drug cartels across the Rio Grande in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, where a brutal yearlong war over the control of drug and alien smuggling routes into the United States has raged. So when our .gov can help mexico it's go time, but when a few thousand American's are robbed, beaten, and raped it's time for us to implement a guest worker program to welcome the illegals?
More than 150 people -- including the police chief, a city councilman and 13 police officers -- have been killed in the Mexican border town over the last year. So, we should care?
"Keeping explosives and other high-powered weaponry out of the hands of violent criminal organizations is a central focus of the new Border Enforcement and Security Task Force," said Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Julie L. Myers, who heads U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). So ICE is another ATF. "Na, we ain't going after them illegals. That's no fun. We're going to dress up like those Delta Special Operators and play army." WTF? What about acually conecntrating on enforcing immigration laws?
"As these seizures and arrests demonstrate, ICE is working day and night with its task force partners to stem the tide of violence that has been ravaging border communities in south Texas in recent months," said Mrs. Myers in announcing the seizures during a press conference in San Antonio. Yeah, sure. What about the 10,000 people that walked across today?
The seizures occurred during separate raids on homes in Laredo over the past week by task force members from ICE; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; and the FBI, along with officers from the Laredo Police Department. "YeeHaw!!! We got us a big time convoy raid now. Too bad we couldn't get them Huey's like that fellow in the 'Nam movie we watch every night, you know the one were they attacked that village and then went surfin'. Man I'd give anything go go sufin' after this next raid.
Seized were two completed bombs, material for 33 more, 300 primers, 3,880 rounds of ammunition, 5 grenade shells, 9 pipes with end caps, 26 grenade triggers, 31 grenade spoons, 40 grenade pins, 19 black powder casings, 91 firearm magazines, 4 silencers, 6 kits to assemble fully automatic weapons, 20 assembled firearms including AK-47s and AR-15s, two Uzi assault weapons, two bulletproof vests, sniper scopes, police scanners and pinhole cameras, along with other pistols and rifles.
Also found was cocaine, methamphetamine, 400 pounds of marijuana and $5,000 in cash.

The bombs were described by ICE officials as improvised explosive devices, the formal name for a homemade device often used in unconventional warfare by terrorists, guerrillas or commando forces. It usually consists of an explosive charge, a detonator and a mechanism either mechanical or electronic, known as the initiation system.
The task force, formerly known as "Operation Black Jack," is a Homeland Security-led, intelligence-driven operation created in Laredo in July to share information and target the leadership and supporting infrastructure of violent criminal organizations operating in the Laredo and Nuevo Laredo areas. Homeland Security-led, intelligence-driven operation. That sound high/speed low/drag. How about they do another Results driven enforcement operation?
Since its inception, task force members have arrested 28 persons and seized 36 assault rifles, 10 handguns, 5 silencers, a large quantity of weapons components, kits, and ammunition, as well as roughly 700 pounds of marijuana, 336 pounds of cocaine, 1.5 pounds of methamphetamine and $1.14 million in cash. Ah, maybe this is the light we seek. If they get to keep a portion of the money confiscated it's no wonder that they'd go after the high dollar drug bust and avoid the mundane illegal aliens. Don't get big headlines or big bonuses for merely catching illegals.
Other task force members are from U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, the U.S. Marshals Service and the Texas Department of Public Safety.
Last month, officials at Homeland Security said several new task forces would be created along the border based on the Laredo model, assigned the task of eliminating the top leadership and supporting infrastructures that sustain cross-border criminal organizations. I guess I should be happy if this actually happens.
The next task force will begin operations in Arizona following the completion of a threat assessment of the area. Maybe we'll see some results. Unless they allow illegals to pass by if they inform on the drug runners.
Much of the violence in Nuevo Laredo has been attributed by U.S. and Mexican authorities to a renegade band of Mexican military deserters known as the Zetas, who were trained in the U.S. as an elite force of anti-drug commandos. About 200 strong, they have since signed on as mercenaries for Mexican drug traffickers.

eta: I added a question mark to the title

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:13:30 AM EDT
These illegal rant threads generally don't have much life.

Everyone knows it's wrong.

Everyone is pissed off that our .gov won't do anything about it.

But, didn't mean to kill the thread.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 6:46:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hmanjr:
These illegal rant threads generally don't have much life.

Everyone knows it's wrong.

Everyone is pissed off that our .gov won't do anything about it.

But, didn't mean to kill the thread.



You didn't kill it.......I thought your contribution was "on point"

But, maybe a little more "rant" next time will help spur the discussion
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