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Posted: 1/29/2006 11:17:27 AM EDT
Anyone ever live there? Is it a nice place? Cost of and quality of living?


Thinking of going.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:21:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:23:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Stottman:
Anyone ever live there? Is it a nice place? Cost of and quality of living?


Thinking of going.


Good gun laws too!



really? i've heard that they're fairly restrictive, but not nearly as bad as the UK or australia. i've always thought their laws were roughly similiar to canada's?
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:25:25 AM EDT
If they have good gun laws and Americas get worse I would consider retiring there. so Tag for info
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:26:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Stottman:
Anyone ever live there? Is it a nice place? Cost of and quality of living?


Thinking of going.


Good gun laws too!



really? i've heard that they're fairly restrictive, but not nearly as bad as the UK or australia. i've always thought their laws were roughly similiar to canada's?


Actually I'm pretty sure you can own machineguns(c&r equivilent) willy nilly, only if you promise to not shoot them or somthing.
There is a member here from NZ, cant remember his name offhand tho.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:27:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:32:20 AM EDT
New Zealand gun laws.

They look fairly restrictive to me. You be the judge.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:33:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BaNo:

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Stottman:
Anyone ever live there? Is it a nice place? Cost of and quality of living?


Thinking of going.


Good gun laws too!



really? i've heard that they're fairly restrictive, but not nearly as bad as the UK or australia. i've always thought their laws were roughly similiar to canada's?


Actually I'm pretty sure you can own machineguns(c&r equivilent) willy nilly, only if you promise to not shoot them or somthing.
There is a member here from NZ, cant remember his name offhand tho.



Google is your friend, of interest only 4% registered the MGs.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:35:46 AM EDT

ENDORSED (SPECIAL) LICENCES: are required by dealers, collectors, pistol club members, and owners of "military-style semi-automatics". Less than 3% of all firearms owners have such endorsements and they must comply with much more stringent conditions than sporting firearms licenceholders.


Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:43:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dalesimpson:
New Zealand gun laws.

They look fairly restrictive to me. You be the judge.



+1

It's all in context. Look who said "good gun laws" and where he lives.

FWIW, there's a FAL collector that hangs out on the FALFiles who has a nice collection. I didn't read the link, but I imagine it's more like Canada than Australia or UK, but not as "free" as the US. All in all probably a good, decent and desireable place to live. I would like to visit there sometime.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:45:35 AM EDT
I dont really care about the gun laws (An American living in Germany, anything is better), but everything else... Being able to walk into a store and buy a AR over the counter is not the only thing in life.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:45:35 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:49:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

PaulR32 and a few others

ANdy



I'm one of them. Here are a few links to some info. What we call NFA items are obtainable in NZ, in fact silencers are considered to be "good for the environment"...

http://www.police.govt.nz/service/firearms/arms-code.pdf


www.police.govt.nz/resources/1997/review-of-firearms-control/


www.colfo.org.nz/index.php


I haven't lived there for some time but it is my intention to retire there eventually.


Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:50:35 AM EDT
Anyone interested in an international comparison of gun laws should read "The Samurai, the Mountie, and the Cowboy" by brilliant pro-gun lawyer Dave Kopel. It should be in your library.

Although the book is a bit dated, it does give an idea as to attitudes toward guns in each country considered. Kopel's take on NZ is that they have somewhat restrictive laws, but they are happy with them and not likely to change. In essence, NZ is more pro-gun than many other places (including its 1800 mile away neighbor, Australia).

Today, the least restrictive country in the (real) world to own firearms is still the US.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 12:07:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 12:15:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2006 12:18:25 PM EDT by No-Worries]

Originally Posted By Stottman:
Anyone ever live there? Is it a nice place? Cost of and quality of living?

Thinking of going.




Uhh, yea, I was there for a month but I wouldn't base a decision on what you read from some people on a BB. Go there and get a feel for it. They're not nearly as restrictive as OZ on work permits and immigration.

In a paragraph: very easygoing people. Lot of pacific islanders there (mostly Maori) , displaced Australians and Asians. They're very big into Rugby (the national team is the "All Blacks"). Very forrested like Maine/NH/VT and a nice temperate climate; their seasons are reversed from ours. They're big into extreme sports - skydiving, bungee, hang gliding, paragliding, Whitewater rafting. Fishing and skiing are big past times there also. Income is not high there but neither is the cost of living so it all balances out. They have a bunch of vineyards and their big industry is agriculture, trade of natural resources and tourism. Kiwis are very friendly people. Still heavily influenced from the british empire also. Good food - British and Thai influences. I could think of a lot worse places to live. IMO the south island is better than the north. Plus they're a great jumping point for seeing Asia, the Pacific Islands and Australia if you live there. Tons of beaches and seashores too. They call their country natively AOTEAROA - land of the long white clouds.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 12:23:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stottman:
I dont really care about the gun laws (An American living in Germany, anything is better), but everything else... Being able to walk into a store and buy a AR over the counter is not the only thing in life.



Unless you need one.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 1:11:13 PM EDT
I'm sure owning any sought of semi-auto "assault weapon" is a special privelege, and extremely difficult to posses.

I didn't see anything specifically about the right to carry a HANDGUN. I'm sure if you are one of the 3% who is willing to submit to the vigerous background check and red tape, you will be granted the right to use a pistol ONLY for "club" or competition purposes.....and that's all!

Personally, because I never want to become a victim in an indoor parking garage, or out in the middle of nowhere while on the road or out in the open country, I would never consider such places as a permanent home.


HOWEVER, if it's any consulation to you, far off and forgotten places like NZ would be the last place to take a hit during the onset of WWIII

Link Posted: 1/29/2006 1:53:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2006 1:53:41 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 2:42:59 PM EDT
Just before SB-23 was passed there was a hearing at the CC in my town that I attended. Among the freedom raping state legislators, LAPD police chief, and others pushing for the law to be passed was a gentleman from New Zealand.

For the entire time that he spoke, he was basically boasting about how restrictive the gun and freedom laws are in New Zealand. From what I remember, all sorts of permits, licenses, memberships to clubs, and similar draconian measures are required before a peon is allowed to own a gun. Things may have changed, but I doubt for the better. What I recall is that the laws are in fact quite restrictive.

Sure, The Netherlands, Norway, etc. might allow the ownership of suppressors, fully automatic weapons, and military pattern weapons; but there are all sorts of hoops one must jump through and there are usually storage laws and the like to top it off.

I'd visit New Zealand and other countries, but frankly the socialistic holier than thou tree hugging populace common to that country and Western Europe turn me off to ever wanting to live anywhere but the USA.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 2:57:26 PM EDT
I spent 2 weeks on the South island a while back. From what I saw and heard, the gun laws there are VERY restrictive. The guys I worked with while I was there mentioned all kinds of restrictions, laws concerning storage, having to belong to a club, takes a long time for a permit etc.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 2:58:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 3:16:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 3:22:37 PM EDT
Would be a good place to hide out if the world starts going nuclear.

But I think I will stay here.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 9:22:49 PM EDT

I'd visit New Zealand and other countries, but frankly the socialistic holier than thou tree hugging populace common to that country and Western Europe turn me off to ever wanting to live anywhere but the USA.


Oh, are we? And when was the last time you were there, fuckhead?

New Zealand is my home, and its beautiful. I always lose the knot in my guts from working overseas when I see the coastline from the plane, and I know Im home.

No car bombs, no corruption, no shit blowing up all the time, no rocket attacks, I dont have to carry a weapon, no body armour and you dont have to check under your vehicle every time you come back to it. Firearms are used in only a very small percentage of crimes in NZ.

Firearms wise, you can own pretty much what you want, subject to certain restrictions and various levels of licensing. Yes, its just another tax, but we lack a strong national firearms body like the NRA, and our laws now are largely a byproduct of a terrible mass shooting we had in 1990. There is no allowance for concealed carry under any circumstances. Our Police force does not routinely carry, although our armed units are as good or better than their international equivalents (man, that should start a shitstorm).

The last thing I want to do when I come home is to carry a fucking gun. When you carry weapons all day every day for a job, with the ever present liklihood of having to use them, the novelty of gun ownership wears off real fast. Guess thats the difference between the doers and the internet commandos. YMMV.

If you are looking at immigrating solely based on a countrys gun laws, then you are on the wrong track. Come for the standard of living, the skiing and outdoor activities, the good exchange rate, the stable(ish) political situation, the laid back lifestyle and clean air. We'd love to have ya

By the way, Paul,


Sorry not for me - no nukes.


What, do you live in a missile silo or something?
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 9:30:17 PM EDT
My husband's bestfriend lives in New Zealand. The gun laws are not good there. They are only slightly better than saw Australia. It is very socialistic. Patty
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 9:32:00 PM EDT
Ever seen Lord of the Rings? All those movies were filmed in New Zealand. I visited a year and a half ago for a backpacking trip and let me tell you, its absolutely drop dead beautiful. Low living costs, peaceful culture, very sensibly nature oriented, unpretentious society. Sounds nice to me.


Link Posted: 1/29/2006 9:32:02 PM EDT
Been there. Great place. Great people.

Link Posted: 1/29/2006 9:57:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PaulR72:

I'd visit New Zealand and other countries, but frankly the socialistic holier than thou tree hugging populace common to that country and Western Europe turn me off to ever wanting to live anywhere but the USA.


Oh, are we? And when was the last time you were there, fuckhead?

New Zealand is my home, and its beautiful. I always lose the knot in my guts from working overseas when I see the coastline from the plane, and I know Im home.

No car bombs, no corruption, no shit blowing up all the time, no rocket attacks, I dont have to carry a weapon, no body armour and you dont have to check under your vehicle every time you come back to it. Firearms are used in only a very small percentage of crimes in NZ.

Firearms wise, you can own pretty much what you want, subject to certain restrictions and various levels of licensing. Yes, its just another tax, but we lack a strong national firearms body like the NRA, and our laws now are largely a byproduct of a terrible mass shooting we had in 1990. There is no allowance for concealed carry under any circumstances. Our Police force does not routinely carry, although our armed units are as good or better than their international equivalents (man, that should start a shitstorm).

The last thing I want to do when I come home is to carry a fucking gun. When you carry weapons all day every day for a job, with the ever present liklihood of having to use them, the novelty of gun ownership wears off real fast. Guess thats the difference between the doers and the internet commandos. YMMV.

If you are looking at immigrating solely based on a countrys gun laws, then you are on the wrong track. Come for the standard of living, the skiing and outdoor activities, the good exchange rate, the stable(ish) political situation, the laid back lifestyle and clean air. We'd love to have ya

By the way, Paul,


Sorry not for me - no nukes.


What, do you live in a missile silo or something?



Know anything about owning a plane there or any restrictions on flying?
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 10:16:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2006 10:16:55 PM EDT by Scott574]
Hmmm.....this is interesting. And some on this board think US cops have too much authority:

Police powers

Police may search premises and persons without warrant if they reasonably believe an indictable offence or an offence against the Arms Act has been committed, or that a person in possession of a firearm may present a danger to himself or to any other person.

Occupiers of premises and drivers of vehicles are deemed to be in possession of any firearms found therein.


It is a standard condition of every order issued under the DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ACT 1995 that the respondent may not hold a firearms licence unless a Court directs otherwise or modifies that condition.

Link Posted: 1/29/2006 10:23:04 PM EDT
On my list:

United States of America
Switzerland
New Zealand

Seeing as how the U.S. is first on my list and I happen to live here, it's not likely I'll ever reside in the other two. I suppose if the U.S. were reduced entirely to radioactive glass, I might start shopping for a new house...

As to New Zealand being socialist, it's really not, compared to a lot of countries. One thing Americans miss out on is that every country in the world is more socialist than the U.S. No country has America's proud reputation. The revolution, no taxation without representation, etc, diluted as it may be these days, is a set of ideals that no other country on earth has. So naturally they'd seem more socialist to someone who was raised in America.

So as far as foreign countries go, New Zealand is one of the better ones. Just don't expect it to be anything like the U.S. The same holds with Switzerland, although if you're from a small bible town in the south, you might feel more at home there than most. Social pressure and gossip are about the same, maybe worse.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:09:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:19:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PaulR72:

If you are looking at immigrating solely based on a countrys gun laws, then you are on the wrong track.



Who does that? Somalia is the number one country in the world by liberal gun laws, but I have not seen anybody who's packing up their gear to move to Mogadishu yet.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 11:26:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 12:18:10 AM EDT

Hmmm.....this is interesting. And some on this board think US cops have too much authority:

Police powers

Police may search premises and persons without warrant if they reasonably believe an indictable offence or an offence against the Arms Act has been committed, or that a person in possession of a firearm may present a danger to himself or to any other person.

Occupiers of premises and drivers of vehicles are deemed to be in possession of any firearms found therein.

It is a standard condition of every order issued under the DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ACT 1995 that the respondent may not hold a firearms licence unless a Court directs otherwise or modifies that condition.



In our law, the Police have search powers under each piece of legislation such as the Arms Act, Misuse of Drugs Act, Crimes Act and a few others, as opposed to your system as I understand it where the Police just need 'probable cause' and may search regardless of what it is they are after such as drugs, weapons, stolen property.

Its not that cut and dried in practise and is generally only used during things like vehicle stops. You would need a warrant for the big jobs. They still need 'good cause to suspect' or 'reasonable grounds for believing' type stuff...its not like they just pull you over and then start searching you for dope.

And as regards the Domestic Violence Act firearms surrendering requirement, thats there from a case a few years back where, surprise, surprise, Dad shoots Mum after she says shes leaving him because he hits her (slightly abridged). Thats never going to change.
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 12:20:59 AM EDT

Morning Paul!

Take care out there.

ANdy



Gidday Andy!

18 days till I go out on leave, mate!!!
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 12:30:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 12:30:40 AM EDT

Know anything about owning a plane there or any restrictions on flying?


Sorry, mate, I wouldnt have a clue about the licensing or technical details.

I can tell you theres a shitload of airports and training institutions. One of our universities does a Bachelor of Aviation course, and there is a lot of money to be made in areas like rural flying (crop dusting and such) and heavy lift applications like logging support. Theres a few companies that run those big ass combloc Mi 8s and 17s and do log lifting.

Forestry and animal products (beef, cattle, dairy) are backbones of our economy. Plus, the odd film series
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 12:41:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/30/2006 12:43:28 AM EDT by PaulR72]

Take it easy, drink plenty, have fun and say hello to Helen for me!



Will do, mate.

God, Helen...Shes so hot right now!!

Link Posted: 1/30/2006 12:42:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 1:02:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/30/2006 1:04:30 AM EDT by Lert]
G'day PaulR, an East Islander here, about to take the "Puhs".

Americans, if you go to "un zud", be sure to do two things:
1) Make endless jokes about sheep, especially jokes about shagging sheep, and velcro gloves. The Kiwis love that sort of stuff.
2) If you ever see a Maori doing anything traditional, make sure you laugh and poke fun. They have a great sense of humour, especially about sacred traditional ceremonies. Make double sure that you laugh at the Hakka (sp?), its a traditional comedy routine.

Do both of those things, and you'll get on fine.

Seriously, I haven't been over there, but everyone who has says its great. Kiwis are a friendly bunch, even if they do talk funny. About half of them live over here, by the way.

And their gun laws, well, compared to ours, its gun lovers heaven.

ETA: Spelling
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 1:07:28 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 1:10:06 AM EDT
Oh god, we dont have to start the "Feeeeeeeeeeesh eeend Cheeeeeeeeeeps" debate, do we?!?!?!
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 1:11:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 1:13:21 AM EDT
Well, we say it "Fish and Chips", as opposed to "Fush und chups"...
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 1:14:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Lert:
2) If you ever see a Maori doing anything traditional, make sure you laugh and poke fun. They have a great sense of humour, especially about sacred traditional ceremonies. Make double sure that you laugh at the Hakka (sp?), its a traditional comedy routine.




I've seen a bunch of locals do these very things here in a bar in Pompey with a group of beered up Moaris off a RNZN frigate... they got on just fine!

ANdy



I assume the poms had about 6 teeth left between them at the end of it too
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 1:21:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 1:35:03 AM EDT
What, like "Eastenders" wasnt the first shot?
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 1:39:56 AM EDT
One intersting point in favour of living in New Zealand. It's legal to own a still and make your own whisky and other hard spirits without a special licence/permit or paying any special tax fees, as long as it's for personal home consumption. I don't know if there's a limit on how much you can make per year or not.
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 2:00:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/30/2006 2:04:53 AM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 2:11:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Lert:

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Lert:
2) If you ever see a Maori doing anything traditional, make sure you laugh and poke fun. They have a great sense of humour, especially about sacred traditional ceremonies. Make double sure that you laugh at the Hakka (sp?), its a traditional comedy routine.




I've seen a bunch of locals do these very things here in a bar in Pompey with a group of beered up Moaris off a RNZN frigate... they got on just fine!

ANdy




I assume the poms had about 6 teeth left between them at the end of it too



Well, the guys were just ignoring the local idoits until one of them used the 'N' word... then all hell broke loose.

You know the film 'Once Were Warriors'? , the big fight scene in the bar?... a dozen guys the size of Temuera Morrison and you get the drift...



Oh good grief. What kind of an idiot decides that picking on a group of drunk (or sober, for that matter) blokes built like brick sh*thouses is a good idea? Its like saying "excuse me sir, I'm tired of life. Please kill me".

For anyone here who hasn't seen a Maori before, think George Forman. Their women are bigger than him. The ones I've met are nice enough, but you treat them with respect. Nicely.

I have the greatest respect for international rugby players who go up against the All-Blacks. Charging around running into human tanks for a living is not my idea of fun. Except for South Africa. The Springboks deserve it.
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