The bible says in the end times good will be considered evil, & evil will be considered good. I guess this is an example of that.  Lock & load, smoke em if you got em. Won't  be long now I'm guessing.

Damned savages +1

So has anybody seen the protests on DU or any press releases from NOW yet?

www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_11417.shtml

HOW AMERICA WILL FALL TO ISLAM

By J. Grant Swank, Jr.
MichNews.com
Jan 24, 2006

Schools will instruct pupils on the "religion of peace," Islam. Now Islamic speakers are invited into school systems to teach faculty and principals about the goodness of Islam.

Mosque clerics will be regarded the same as the Methodist minister down the street. After all, a cleric is a cleric.

Liberal groups such as the Episcopal Church, Unitarian-Universalist Society, and United Church of Christ (Congregational) will look upon Islam as a world religion among religions, thus deserving equal space with Christianity and Judaism.

Local clergy associations will welcome Muslim clerics into their fellowship.

Liberal politicians will champion Islam as compatible with America because they will believe the lies on 4000 Muslim web sites. After all, America welcomes all equally.

Even conservative personages such as US President George W. Bush will give allegiance to Islam as a good component of the community, just as he and his wife placed the Koran in the White House library for the first time this winter. They did so at a banquet for Muslim leaders in America.

Theologically conservative leaders such as Billy Graham’s son, Franklin Graham, will be black listed for publishing factual books exposing Islam as a violent cult. He already has suffered such. He has been silenced by the liberal element in the United States.

Politicians and religious liberals will regard "peace religion" Islam as being highjacked by "insurgents" and "terrorists" rather than realizing that all Muslims are aligned with the same killing passages replete in the unholy book, the Koran.

Schools will set aside rooms for Muslim prayers during school hours. Airports will follow suit. Independent living residential communities will follow suit. Just as they have chapels, they will have mosque centers.

Public buildings will provide prayer rooms for Muslim prayers just as a local athletic building in New Jersey has done so for Muslim sports figures there.

Newspapers’ religion pages will place mosque advertisements for meetings and so forth right alongside the advertisements for churches. They will also provide regular feature articles on Islam as a "peace religion," just as the local city paper already does where I live.

The sharia will become legal fare in most countries, including America. This Koran-based judicial system that enhances murder and maiming as well as discrimination against females will be set aside as proper for the Muslim community.

Islamic professors will pepper the universities and colleges throughout the nation, propagating the message that Islam is a "peace religion." They will likewise blackball Christianity and Judaism, as is presently the fashion.

Religious colleges that are theologically liberal will have Muslim instructors and personnel on staff in order to give the public relations image that they are open to all beliefs.

Chapel services on theologically liberal religious-oriented campuses will have Muslim speakers to balance out theologically liberal "Christian" preachers. Already at Bates College, Lewiston, Maine, the campus chapel is decorated with flag banners of all world religions, including Islam. The banners hang from the sanctuary ceiling.

Islamic so-called holy days will be legitimatized as holidays necessitating celebration and days off from work throughout the nation

Islamic symbols will decorate our stamps..

Islamic authors will become popular in "reading America."

Peace themes focusing on Islamic actors will be placed in television sitcoms.

TV series such as "Sleeper Cells" will become passe and regarded as out of date and out of fact.

Legislation will be passed stating that anything truthfully negative about Islam will be regarded as a "hate crime."

Certain Islamic personages will run for political offices and will win their elections.

The National Council of Churches will welcome Islam into its membership.

Liberal seminaries such as Harvard Divinity School will baptize Islam as a legitimate religion among world religions, just as HDS does already in its world religions building / courses.

It will become posh for Islamic speakers to be featured on talk shows and at book forums in local communities.

The Koran will be placed alongside the Bible in hospital chapels, just as it already is placed in the chapel in the city hospital near where I live.

The headscarf used by Muslim women will become fashionable for non-Muslim women in America. Already the headscarf clad young women appearing in various advertisements on the Internet.

Advertisements will include in their human figures not only whites and blacks and Hispanics but also obviously garbed Muslims.

"Jihad" will change its meaning from murder and maiming to improving the inner self, just as it is now defined on the Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) lying web site.

Muslims will establish charitable causes to which the public will be asked to contribute, moneys used to enhance Islam and thereby overtake the nation.

Christians and Jews will be relegated to a lower status than Islam. Christians and Jews will be informed to be quiet, hold no meetings or seminars teaching the facts about Islam, and squelch any preaching against Islam.

Political liberals such as "Rev." Jesse Jackson will come to the fore as comrades of Islam, presenting Christianity and Islam as monotheistic religions of common foundation. It will become posh for Islam and Christianity and Judaism to be presented as the three great monotheistic religions of the world, thus giving Islam equal footing with the other two religions. There will be much talk about all three religions having Abraham as "the father of the faith."

Regarding Islam as a killing cult will expose the offender as committing a "hate crime."

University and college commencement addresses, particularly those on the state level, will feature Islamic speakers.

Islamic killers in America will be regarded as an anomaly and embarrassment to Islam as the true "religion of peace."

Sunday school curricula in liberal denominations will feature Islam as a legitimate world religion.

Islam will become a highlight article feature in theologically liberal publications. Already such articles have appeared in the Harvard Divinity School Bulletin.

Islamic literature will be distributed widely freely throughout the nation, similarly to such literature distributed by Moonies at airport terminals.

Koran killing passages will be rephrased so as to erase the Koran killing-passages just as such quotes are changed on the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC). These changes will appear in the American publication of the Koran placed in public buildings.

Government agencies, particularly in Washington DC, will cower before Muslim demands just as they did as set forth in the article above.

Muslims elsewhere on the planet will cause such mayhem that America will fear such coming to this country and therefore will give Muslims anything they want in order to keep the blood from flowing our USA streets.

It's coming!

Thanks to your local Muslims...

And somewhat close to the same thing in Iraq....

Yet, we are letting politics fight this war....just as in Vietnam.  We shall not win.

And then it's game on!

Quoted: www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_11417.shtml HOW AMERICA WILL FALL TO ISLAM By J. Grant Swank, Jr. MichNews.com Jan 24, 2006 Schools will instruct pupils on the "religion of peace," Islam. Now Islamic speakers are invited into school systems to teach faculty and principals about the goodness of Islam. Mosque clerics will be regarded the same as the Methodist minister down the street. After all, a cleric is a cleric. Liberal groups such as the Episcopal Church, Unitarian-Universalist Society, and United Church of Christ (Congregational) will look upon Islam as a world religion among religions, thus deserving equal space with Christianity and Judaism. Local clergy associations will welcome Muslim clerics into their fellowship. Liberal politicians will champion Islam as compatible with America because they will believe the lies on 4000 Muslim web sites. After all, America welcomes all equally. Even conservative personages such as US President George W. Bush will give allegiance to Islam as a good component of the community, just as he and his wife placed the Koran in the White House library for the first time this winter. They did so at a banquet for Muslim leaders in America. Theologically conservative leaders such as Billy Graham’s son, Franklin Graham, will be black listed for publishing factual books exposing Islam as a violent cult. He already has suffered such. He has been silenced by the liberal element in the United States. Politicians and religious liberals will regard "peace religion" Islam as being highjacked by "insurgents" and "terrorists" rather than realizing that all Muslims are aligned with the same killing passages replete in the unholy book, the Koran. Schools will set aside rooms for Muslim prayers during school hours. Airports will follow suit. Independent living residential communities will follow suit. Just as they have chapels, they will have mosque centers. Public buildings will provide prayer rooms for Muslim prayers just as a local athletic building in New Jersey has done so for Muslim sports figures there. Newspapers’ religion pages will place mosque advertisements for meetings and so forth right alongside the advertisements for churches. They will also provide regular feature articles on Islam as a "peace religion," just as the local city paper already does where I live. The sharia will become legal fare in most countries, including America. This Koran-based judicial system that enhances murder and maiming as well as discrimination against females will be set aside as proper for the Muslim community. Islamic professors will pepper the universities and colleges throughout the nation, propagating the message that Islam is a "peace religion." They will likewise blackball Christianity and Judaism, as is presently the fashion. Religious colleges that are theologically liberal will have Muslim instructors and personnel on staff in order to give the public relations image that they are open to all beliefs. Chapel services on theologically liberal religious-oriented campuses will have Muslim speakers to balance out theologically liberal "Christian" preachers. Already at Bates College, Lewiston, Maine, the campus chapel is decorated with flag banners of all world religions, including Islam. The banners hang from the sanctuary ceiling. Islamic so-called holy days will be legitimatized as holidays necessitating celebration and days off from work throughout the nation Islamic symbols will decorate our stamps.. Islamic authors will become popular in "reading America." Peace themes focusing on Islamic actors will be placed in television sitcoms. TV series such as "Sleeper Cells" will become passe and regarded as out of date and out of fact. Legislation will be passed stating that anything truthfully negative about Islam will be regarded as a "hate crime." Certain Islamic personages will run for political offices and will win their elections. The National Council of Churches will welcome Islam into its membership. Liberal seminaries such as Harvard Divinity School will baptize Islam as a legitimate religion among world religions, just as HDS does already in its world religions building / courses. It will become posh for Islamic speakers to be featured on talk shows and at book forums in local communities. The Koran will be placed alongside the Bible in hospital chapels, just as it already is placed in the chapel in the city hospital near where I live. The headscarf used by Muslim women will become fashionable for non-Muslim women in America. Already the headscarf clad young women appearing in various advertisements on the Internet. Advertisements will include in their human figures not only whites and blacks and Hispanics but also obviously garbed Muslims. "Jihad" will change its meaning from murder and maiming to improving the inner self, just as it is now defined on the Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) lying web site. Muslims will establish charitable causes to which the public will be asked to contribute, moneys used to enhance Islam and thereby overtake the nation. Christians and Jews will be relegated to a lower status than Islam. Christians and Jews will be informed to be quiet, hold no meetings or seminars teaching the facts about Islam, and squelch any preaching against Islam. Political liberals such as "Rev." Jesse Jackson will come to the fore as comrades of Islam, presenting Christianity and Islam as monotheistic religions of common foundation. It will become posh for Islam and Christianity and Judaism to be presented as the three great monotheistic religions of the world, thus giving Islam equal footing with the other two religions. There will be much talk about all three religions having Abraham as "the father of the faith." Regarding Islam as a killing cult will expose the offender as committing a "hate crime." University and college commencement addresses, particularly those on the state level, will feature Islamic speakers. Islamic killers in America will be regarded as an anomaly and embarrassment to Islam as the true "religion of peace." Sunday school curricula in liberal denominations will feature Islam as a legitimate world religion. Islam will become a highlight article feature in theologically liberal publications. Already such articles have appeared in the Harvard Divinity School Bulletin. Islamic literature will be distributed widely freely throughout the nation, similarly to such literature distributed by Moonies at airport terminals. Koran killing passages will be rephrased so as to erase the Koran killing-passages just as such quotes are changed on the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC). These changes will appear in the American publication of the Koran placed in public buildings. Government agencies, particularly in Washington DC, will cower before Muslim demands just as they did as set forth in the article above. Muslims elsewhere on the planet will cause such mayhem that America will fear such coming to this country and therefore will give Muslims anything they want in order to keep the blood from flowing our USA streets.

I'm just speechless....

I just can't understand how women can treated in such a manner...I simply can't understand this.

Quoted: Their nutless fucking boyfriends should be found and anally savaged for being complete pussies.

But then you'd have to hang them for "conduct incompatible with anal chastity."

We gee whiz, let's all act surprised.

Let's  see.  I seem to remember this from before.
ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=427552

It hasn't improved any.
Damndest thing, victims are made into criminals under Sharia law.
It goes with "Honor killings."  You know, when a female relative of yours has been raped, or you think she has been molested in any way, you kill her instead of the ass fuck who attacks her.

Bass Ackwards!

Bilster

Quoted: Let's  see.  I seem to remember this from before. ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=427552 It hasn't improved any. Damndest thing, victims are made into criminals under Sharia law. It goes with "Honor killings."  You know, when a female relative of yours has been raped, or you think she has been molested in any way, you kill her instead of the ass fuck who attacks her. Bass Ackwards! Bilster

And when muslims in Europe rape native white women, it's the victim's fault for not dressing according to muslim custom.

Here's a case of a killer who I'd gladly admit into the United States provided she is willing to conform to our laws and support our republican form of government... and if she were to kill a rapist here, I'd like to see her get a medal.

+1, Savages!

I forget who posted this a year ago, but it had a ring to it so I copied it.

"Almost done? It will never be done. These savages have been doing this kind of shit since Mohammed climbed off his child bride and started writing propaganda down to fool ignorant knuckle draggers into thinking he is the Wizard of Oz and god all rolled up into one pedophile package."

+100 and IBTL

Iran Focus.... sounds like a credible source.

9/15/05

Iran Focus (www.iranfocus.com): The MKO Propaganda Machine

By Nema Milaninia, Iranian Truth

www.payvand.com/news/05/sep/1122.html

I’ve written several times about my distrust of several news sources by hard-line monarchists or the Mojahedin-e Khalq Organziation (a.k.a MKO, MEK, National Council of Resistance of Iran, NCRI, People's Mojahedin of Iran, PMOI, etc.) as well as those who rely on these sources as "news". Reading news from one of these agencies isn't about reflecting on different interpretive accounts of events. This isn’t like choosing between the New York Times and Washington Post where there are different “spins” on the same source of information. Both the Time and the Post believe they are being objective, but in different ways. Relying on news sources by hardline monarchists and the MKO, is about choosing an agency that absolutely lies or exaggerates incidents in order to enhance their own political objective. Let us take Iran Focus as an example. In the past I have noted that Iran Focus is a agency run by the MKO for various reasons:

1) The current executive director of Iran Focus is Mohammad Hanif Jazayeri. Hanif is the son of Hassan Jazayeri. Until three years ago, Hassan Jazayeri was rumored to have died in 1980 as a result of being abandoned by MKO and Iraqi trainers. Later the story was changed to Hassan being executed by the Iranian regime for his membership with the MKO. Given Iran and the MKO's history of human rights abuses, I won't argue which is the correct account. Before Iran Focus was ever created, Hanif has time after time advocated his support for the MKO. In fact, earlier this year Hanif was engaged engaged in a campaign to remove the MKO from the UK’s list of terrorist organizations (it is worth noting that the MKO is also included in the State Department's list of terrorist organizations.)

Additionally, in various posts dated in1998 and 1999, Hanif has advocated his support for the MKO as Iran’s only "democratic alternative."

Hanif's signature also appears on this petition supporting the MKO cause.

2) Iran Focus along with its sister site Iran Terror (look at the website designs and stories as well as the website for the MKO and you can easily see they're created by the same designer) are registered in London and Paris respectively. In fact both organizations, including the MKO, tried to allege that the Human Rights Watch report illustrating all the human rights abuses committed by the organization was a result of some conspiracy between HRW and agents in the Iranian government. A response to the allegation can be found here. I'd like to add that the "Gulf 2000 list" which Iran Focus and Iran Terror refers to is a listserv with hundreds of academics, politicals, and thinkers on the Persian Gulf with different political viewpoints. Nevertheless, the Iran Terror email refers to emails sent in the listserv as "secret emails" which they had intercepted.

3) The Iran Focus website uses language supporting the MKO cause. There are particular ideological positions and phrases which MKO members and supporters use. By continously using the MKO as Iran's "democratic alternative" both the Iran Focus and Iran Terror websites intend to create the misleading image that the group, as well as their political counter-part NCRI, are legitimate proponents of human rights and democracy with a significant backing inside and outside of Iran. Read this article, this article, and this article for an image of the type of propaganda used by the websites.

As I stated before, the purpose of both Iran Focus and Iran Terror is twofold: 1) to disseminate information for political purposes and enhance a movement for external regime change and 2) legitimize the MKO in Western government by removing them from terrorist lists and enhancing their political influence. The sum of these objectives is to persuade Western govenments to militarily engage Iran in order to replace with Mullahs with the Mujahedin.

That being said there's a variety of reasons to view the MKO news agencies and similar modules as instruments of propaganda as opposed to instruments of news.

First, the organization is a terrorist group under both US and European law. The State Department continues to list the MKO as a terrorist group. Although MKO agents have claimed that the inclusion was part of Clinton's appeal to the reformist government in Iran, the argument is no longer cogent in light of the fact that during Bush's 5 years in office he has yet to remove the MKO as a terrorist group despite significant political pressure by various neo-conservatives (this includes Daniel Pipes who currently has a chair with the US Institute of Peace) and various Republican Congressmen. (see this article for a summary of US political figures who have been lobbyed by MKO representatives and supporters). Not only were the MKO were designated as a terrorist group under executive order on November 2, 2001, but the President used the MKO as an example of Saddam’s support for terrorism during the drive up to the Iraqi war:

   Iraq shelters terrorist groups including the Mujahedin-e-Khalq Organization (MKO), which has used terrorist violence against Iran and in the 1970s was responsible for killing several U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians.

By their very nature as a terrorist organization, information by them should not be trusted. Lets put it that way, would you trust al-Qaeda or Hizbollah about news in the US or Lebanon?

Second, the MKO have demonstrated time and time again the extents for which they'll engage a disinformation campaign for purposes of propaganda. For example, the MKO continously contend that no Mujahedin member has targeted Americans or Europeans figures during acts of terrorism. These arguments are clearly false in light of the following:

   - In 1973, the MKO assassinated Lt. Col. Lewis Hawkins, a U.S. military advisor in Iran.
   - In 1975, MKO members shot and killed two U.S. Air force officers in Tehran and attacked a U.S. Embassy van in Tehran resulted in the death of a local employee.
   - In 1976, the MKO assassinated three American employees of Rockwell International working in Iran.
   - In 1979, the MKO openly supported the holding of US hostages until 1981 when they began directing their attention to Khomeini.

Whether or not the MKO targeted Americans or not is a irrelevant argument anyways. Terrorism anywhere is terrorism everywhere regardless of our relationship with its targets. Evidence of MKO propaganda in Iran Focus is also apparant when we compare their report to a report by the Washington Times concerning a recent MKO event. The Iran Focus report indicates that there were thousands of participants, while the Times only reports 300. See a similar report where Iran Focus reported that over 40,000 participants intended to protest in Berlin. Interesting for an organization that is only reported to have 10,000 members.

Lastly, the MKO are highly disliked and disregarded by Iranians worldwide. During the Iran-Iraq war, the Saddam Hussein financed and utilized the MKO to institute several attacks against Iranians. (Note: the MKO were also responsible for assisting Saddam Hussein suppress Shiite and Kurdish uprisings in 1991.) It is no suprise, therefore, that most Iranians regard the MKO as a cultish organization. There is no statute of limitations against murderers or conspirators to murder, nor is there one for terrorists and those who conspire with terrorists. Similarly, the MKO do not gain immunity for their previous actions simply by refraining from targeting European and American targets for 30 years. Nor have they in the eyes of Iranians.

For all these reasons I note that Iran Focus, Iran Terror, people who rely on the two for information, and all affiliated groups should not be used as a source of "alternative information." There's nothing alternative about propaganda, regardless of if it addresses the same human rights issues which we are concerned with. "The most dangerous untruths are truths slightly distorted."

I would like to note that often those who do not share the same political sentiments of the MKO or hard-line monarchists are branded as “apologists” as if to place them in the same group as hezbollahis. We are not apologists when we wish freedom Iran based on principles of reconciliation and accountability. To do so would be similar to saying that opponents to the Khmer Rouge were apologists when the Cambodian government was committing human rights abuses in the early 70's. As Congressman Bob Ney rightfully stated, “Opposition to the Mujahedin is not the same as support for the regime in Iran.”

Everything I know about Islam I learned from a Catholic priest.


No, really. Father Baraza of the Society of Jesus.

Quoted: Iran Focus.... sounds like a credible source. 9/15/05 Iran Focus (www.iranfocus.com): The MKO Propaganda Machine By Nema Milaninia, Iranian Truth www.payvand.com/news/05/sep/1122.html I’ve written several times about my distrust of several news sources by hard-line monarchists or the Mojahedin-e Khalq Organziation (a.k.a MKO, MEK, National Council of Resistance of Iran, NCRI, People's Mojahedin of Iran, PMOI, etc.) as well as those who rely on these sources as "news". Reading news from one of these agencies isn't about reflecting on different interpretive accounts of events. This isn’t like choosing between the New York Times and Washington Post where there are different “spins” on the same source of information. Both the Time and the Post believe they are being objective, but in different ways. Relying on news sources by hardline monarchists and the MKO, is about choosing an agency that absolutely lies or exaggerates incidents in order to enhance their own political objective. Let us take Iran Focus as an example. In the past I have noted that Iran Focus is a agency run by the MKO for various reasons: 1) The current executive director of Iran Focus is Mohammad Hanif Jazayeri. Hanif is the son of Hassan Jazayeri. Until three years ago, Hassan Jazayeri was rumored to have died in 1980 as a result of being abandoned by MKO and Iraqi trainers. Later the story was changed to Hassan being executed by the Iranian regime for his membership with the MKO. Given Iran and the MKO's history of human rights abuses, I won't argue which is the correct account. Before Iran Focus was ever created, Hanif has time after time advocated his support for the MKO. In fact, earlier this year Hanif was engaged engaged in a campaign to remove the MKO from the UK’s list of terrorist organizations (it is worth noting that the MKO is also included in the State Department's list of terrorist organizations.) Additionally, in various posts dated in1998 and 1999, Hanif has advocated his support for the MKO as Iran’s only "democratic alternative." Hanif's signature also appears on this petition supporting the MKO cause. 2) Iran Focus along with its sister site Iran Terror (look at the website designs and stories as well as the website for the MKO and you can easily see they're created by the same designer) are registered in London and Paris respectively. In fact both organizations, including the MKO, tried to allege that the Human Rights Watch report illustrating all the human rights abuses committed by the organization was a result of some conspiracy between HRW and agents in the Iranian government. A response to the allegation can be found here. I'd like to add that the "Gulf 2000 list" which Iran Focus and Iran Terror refers to is a listserv with hundreds of academics, politicals, and thinkers on the Persian Gulf with different political viewpoints. Nevertheless, the Iran Terror email refers to emails sent in the listserv as "secret emails" which they had intercepted. 3) The Iran Focus website uses language supporting the MKO cause. There are particular ideological positions and phrases which MKO members and supporters use. By continously using the MKO as Iran's "democratic alternative" both the Iran Focus and Iran Terror websites intend to create the misleading image that the group, as well as their political counter-part NCRI, are legitimate proponents of human rights and democracy with a significant backing inside and outside of Iran. Read this article, this article, and this article for an image of the type of propaganda used by the websites. As I stated before, the purpose of both Iran Focus and Iran Terror is twofold: 1) to disseminate information for political purposes and enhance a movement for external regime change and 2) legitimize the MKO in Western government by removing them from terrorist lists and enhancing their political influence. The sum of these objectives is to persuade Western govenments to militarily engage Iran in order to replace with Mullahs with the Mujahedin. That being said there's a variety of reasons to view the MKO news agencies and similar modules as instruments of propaganda as opposed to instruments of news. First, the organization is a terrorist group under both US and European law. The State Department continues to list the MKO as a terrorist group. Although MKO agents have claimed that the inclusion was part of Clinton's appeal to the reformist government in Iran, the argument is no longer cogent in light of the fact that during Bush's 5 years in office he has yet to remove the MKO as a terrorist group despite significant political pressure by various neo-conservatives (this includes Daniel Pipes who currently has a chair with the US Institute of Peace) and various Republican Congressmen. (see this article for a summary of US political figures who have been lobbyed by MKO representatives and supporters). Not only were the MKO were designated as a terrorist group under executive order on November 2, 2001, but the President used the MKO as an example of Saddam’s support for terrorism during the drive up to the Iraqi war:    Iraq shelters terrorist groups including the Mujahedin-e-Khalq Organization (MKO), which has used terrorist violence against Iran and in the 1970s was responsible for killing several U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians. By their very nature as a terrorist organization, information by them should not be trusted. Lets put it that way, would you trust al-Qaeda or Hizbollah about news in the US or Lebanon? Second, the MKO have demonstrated time and time again the extents for which they'll engage a disinformation campaign for purposes of propaganda. For example, the MKO continously contend that no Mujahedin member has targeted Americans or Europeans figures during acts of terrorism. These arguments are clearly false in light of the following:    - In 1973, the MKO assassinated Lt. Col. Lewis Hawkins, a U.S. military advisor in Iran.    - In 1975, MKO members shot and killed two U.S. Air force officers in Tehran and attacked a U.S. Embassy van in Tehran resulted in the death of a local employee.    - In 1976, the MKO assassinated three American employees of Rockwell International working in Iran.    - In 1979, the MKO openly supported the holding of US hostages until 1981 when they began directing their attention to Khomeini. Whether or not the MKO targeted Americans or not is a irrelevant argument anyways. Terrorism anywhere is terrorism everywhere regardless of our relationship with its targets. Evidence of MKO propaganda in Iran Focus is also apparant when we compare their report to a report by the Washington Times concerning a recent MKO event. The Iran Focus report indicates that there were thousands of participants, while the Times only reports 300. See a similar report where Iran Focus reported that over 40,000 participants intended to protest in Berlin. Interesting for an organization that is only reported to have 10,000 members. Lastly, the MKO are highly disliked and disregarded by Iranians worldwide. During the Iran-Iraq war, the Saddam Hussein financed and utilized the MKO to institute several attacks against Iranians. (Note: the MKO were also responsible for assisting Saddam Hussein suppress Shiite and Kurdish uprisings in 1991.) It is no suprise, therefore, that most Iranians regard the MKO as a cultish organization. There is no statute of limitations against murderers or conspirators to murder, nor is there one for terrorists and those who conspire with terrorists. Similarly, the MKO do not gain immunity for their previous actions simply by refraining from targeting European and American targets for 30 years. Nor have they in the eyes of Iranians. For all these reasons I note that Iran Focus, Iran Terror, people who rely on the two for information, and all affiliated groups should not be used as a source of "alternative information." There's nothing alternative about propaganda, regardless of if it addresses the same human rights issues which we are concerned with. "The most dangerous untruths are truths slightly distorted." I would like to note that often those who do not share the same political sentiments of the MKO or hard-line monarchists are branded as “apologists” as if to place them in the same group as hezbollahis. We are not apologists when we wish freedom Iran based on principles of reconciliation and accountability. To do so would be similar to saying that opponents to the Khmer Rouge were apologists when the Cambodian government was committing human rights abuses in the early 70's. As Congressman Bob Ney rightfully stated, “Opposition to the Mujahedin is not the same as support for the regime in Iran.”

Propaganda? No way!

Quoted: Oh c'mon.. it's their culture they've ben doing it this way for a thousand years.... On a side note... My wifes a PO with many of these types of  guys on her case load... Wife beaters and child abusers who come from shit holes all over the world... They actually believe that the laws of their newly adopted country shouldn't apply to them whenthey beat/kill their wives/children... It's particularly satisfying to see the little shits squirm when they have to deal with a woman who holds their day to day fate in her hands..... My lovely wife can be pretty accomodating with most of her parolees/probationers, but these douchbags are given no quarter at all by her.... Late for an appointmnet=warrent, miss an appointment=warrent.... Fail to comply 100% with whatever conditions she imposes=warrent... They hate her, but she hates them even more....

I hope she's packing a big gun with bullets dipped in pork fat for lubrication!  he he he

Celebrate diversity, diversity is our strength.  It certainly is a religion of great moral integrity. A friend who is currently serving in Iraq has a night scope video of 2 of these great religeous warriors molesting a donkey. When he sends it I will get it uploaded somewhere and post a link. (if it is not a COC violation) I haven't seen it yet so I don't know how graphic it is but it is supposed to be quite amusing.

Quoted: Fucking Savages!

+1

I actually have alot of family that still live in Iran. My parents immigrated here in the late 60's and I was born here. They got out once they saw trouble brewing and my pops saw the change in tide and that the hard liners were going to overthrow the Shah. Its kind of shitty in one way because my family is persecuted there for being Christian. Its not that easy to immigrate here and many of them have a majority of their familys and lives there so they stick it out and hope for the best outcome. Unfortunately I dont see a best outcome.

Not everyone who lives in Iran is a Muslim..and not all are savages.

Quoted: I actually have alot of family that still live in Iran. My parents immigrated here in the late 60's and I was born here. They got out once they saw trouble brewing and my pops saw the change in tide and that the hard liners were going to overthrow the Shah. Its kind of shitty in one way because my family is persecuted there for being Christian. Its not that easy to immigrate here and many of them have a majority of their familys and lives there so they stick it out and hope for the best outcome. Unfortunately I dont see a best outcome. Not everyone who lives in Iran is a Muslim..and not all are savages.

I hope you extended family gets out or stays safe.


But you have to admit, there is a lot of stupidity there.

One day....the piper will be paid    

Quoted: Imagine these savages with nuclear weapons.

Well.....I was picturing them & Nuclear weapons.......But it was a slightly different picture in My mind........


Tall Shadow

Quoted: You know ,maybe, just maybe all cultures are not equal.

I sincerely hope that was sarcasm.I know it was as I can usually smell it a mile away! These nutjobs are sitting on huge oil and natural gas reserves and want nuclear power for "peaceful" uses. Yeah right. Try to live in that country and have an opinion.Do you think they have any good open discussion forums in Iran. I wonder what the state of womens lib is in Iran. It would be like ..I'm going to a womens meeting...can you take me because I'm not allowed to fucking drive!I mean I haven't been the kindest on Pres. Bush tonight but if I were over there the secret police would be knocking on my door.Here I only have to worry about being flamed on-line.Wait a minute...is the government tapping AR15.com without a warrant.Wrong website...prank post...prank post.

Seriously, anytime I hear any asshole asking "Why do you want to keep these people in the dark without nuclear power?" First of all, their oil can provide all the power they need. Second, they are fucking savages! In our country, a woman who fended off three rapists with a blade would be celebrated and heralded. Fat Oprah would have here on and tell her how wonderful she was, and for once I would agree! Fuck them and definitely, Fuck their religion!!!! I don't care if it makes me intolerant. Get with the fucking program!!

Quoted: In our country, a woman who fended off three rapists with a blade would be celebrated and heralded.

No, she'd probably be sued in civil court by the family of the dead rapist, and then go bankrupt paying her legal costs. The other two perps would get off because the judge "no longer believes in punishment", and immediately resume a life of crime.

Quoted: Quoted: You know ,maybe, just maybe all cultures are not equal. I sincerely hope that was sarcasm.I know it was as I can usually smell it a mile away! These nutjobs are sitting on huge oil and natural gas reserves and want nuclear power for "peaceful" uses. Yeah right. Try to live in that country and have an opinion.Do you think they have any good open discussion forums in Iran. I wonder what the state of womens lib is in Iran. It would be like ..I'm going to a womens meeting...can you take me because I'm not allowed to fucking drive!I mean I haven't been the kindest on Pres. Bush tonight but if I were over there the secret police would be knocking on my door.Here I only have to worry about being flamed on-line.Wait a minute...is the government tapping AR15.com without a warrant.Wrong website...prank post...prank post.

Women are allowed to drive in Iran.... you're thinking of Saudi Arabia

I cannot TELL you how happy I am to be an AMERICAN woman.

These poor girls

Barbaric fucking savages

WE need nuclear power.... like a few hundred more nuclear plants...
I would gladly buy a nuclear powered, glow in the dark F-150.


The alternative is buying oil from fucking religious nutjobs.

I can understand why they need nuclear energy.  It takes a lot of electricity to power their mudhuts and shopping centers.

Give it another five years, and you'll read about these sorts of rulings in New York and New Jersey.

Quoted: Quoted: Oh c'mon.. it's their culture they've ben doing it this way for a thousand years.... On a side note... My wifes a PO with many of these types of  guys on her case load... Wife beaters and child abusers who come from shit holes all over the world... They actually believe that the laws of their newly adopted country shouldn't apply to them whenthey beat/kill their wives/children... It's particularly satisfying to see the little shits squirm when they have to deal with a woman who holds their day to day fate in her hands..... My lovely wife can be pretty accomodating with most of her parolees/probationers, but these douchbags are given no quarter at all by her.... Late for an appointmnet=warrent, miss an appointment=warrent.... Fail to comply 100% with whatever conditions she imposes=warrent... They hate her, but she hates them even more.... I hope she's packing a big gun with bullets dipped in pork fat for lubrication!  he he he

She does it unarmed... this is the LIEberal socialist paradise of Canada y'know

offer a ten day/two week or whatever period where anyone who wants to come out can, then nuke whoever is left and in 10,000 years when its hospitable and the radiation is at safe levels - NUKE IT AGAIN

Quoted: Quoted: moon god. That's too funny!

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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: moon god. That's too funny! +/- 1.

Allah started out as a moon god.