User Panel
Posted: 1/25/2006 6:58:59 PM EDT
Question 1: Man is a being created by the God of nature (or nature,l whichever you prefer) and therefore possesses natural rights bestowed to him by the God of nature (or nature). True or False?
Question 2: Corporations are entities created by the law of man and have whatever rights are bestowed upon them law of man. True or false? Question 3: If corporations are entities created by the law of man with rights provided by the law of man and the law of man can be changed by man's will, then the rights of corporations can be changed by man's will. True or False? |
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Question 4: If the crazy train was rolling through here and they told you they had your first class compartment waiting, would you get on? Yes or No
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3x true |
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Rrrrrrrrrrrrr it be up to me elbow and sticky. |
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WHO???? |
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On first |
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AND HOW????????? |
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I swear that is one of the funniest things ever on ar15.com For a short visit, that guy sure is having a lasting impression! |
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Which part of question #3 is false? A. corporations are entities created by the law of man with rights provided by the law of man B. the law of man can be changed by man's will C. the rights of corporations can be changed by man's will |
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No. |
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It just fits in in so many ways! I've also created some variations. For example, this one might be appropriate in certain threads: |
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BINGO And it depends on what is being done and who is doing it. And so this O so clever and transparent thread blows up in to the stinky cloud it deserves at the first sign of a ray of reason. |
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Why then is it an infringment of freedom to limit the activities of a corporation? I'm not trying to start an argument, I am simply trying to uncover the logic of a differing viewpoint. |
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I don't disagree with that. |
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Actually, my intention is not to start an arguement. My intention is to uncover the logic behnd a differing point of view. |
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Oh please… That was exactly your intention… hell that’s OK it makes you like everybody else. |
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Show me one point where I have been argumentative. I've even restrained myself despite the dim witted posts of basstit. |
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There you go... Has anybody ever pointed out you have slightly obsessive tendencies… how many ways can you beat the same drum... we get it… people disagree... you are not changing anybodies mind by going over this 30 different ways. |
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There are alot of people here who feel that government restriction on the activities of corporations is an unaccecptable restriction on freedom. I do not, but I want to understand where these people's logic differs from mine. |
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Face it you are just a narrow minded commie. |
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No, but I don't disagree. |
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True: Due to man's nature, he has rights, which are the conditions he requires to live qua man. These rights may be violated by others of course, but not justly. "god" is an arbitrary idea with no evidence supporting it.
False: Corporations are just groups of people. They have the same rights as the people that form the corporation.
False: It is no more just to violate the rights of a group of people than it is to violate the rights of an individual. |
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Corporations ARE people… they have owners and stock holders and don’t presume for one second when the government restricts the freedom of a company it does not also restrict someone else freedom it has to. If the government passes a restriction that lower dividends it is taking money out of people/stock holders pockets… money equals freedom. Taxes are the most pervasive form of oppression… not imagined wiretaps for instance. Are you aware many of the countries we compete with do not tax corporations at all… Has it ever occurred to you oppressive US corporate taxes may be a large part of the problem and not free trade. Has it ever occurred to you these corporate taxes are a lot of the incentive for moving jobs off shore and not free trade. Has it occurred to you these corporate taxes put US industry at a disadvantage for the start line. We DO NOT need more government intervention… we need less. |
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The idea that a godless "nature" can give rights is a silly idea with nothing to support it. Without God, "rights" are an arbitrary concept made up by man. |
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OK, let agree for a moment. Corporations are people. Corporations are people who depend on other people to function. These people are called employees. Corporations profit from the labor of their employees. Why is it then wrong for the society to say that the people who profit from the labor of other people must pay the people that they profit from a minimum wage, define a normal work period and require that they be paid for working hours beyond their normal work period, set limits on the ages of individuals that can be hired, require the corporation to provide employees with a safe work environment, place environmental restrictions on the corporation to ensure that it does not contaminate communities with dangerous pollutants and place tariffs on imported goods to encourage (not force) manufacturers to use local labor to produce the goods that will be sold in the market.
Corporate taxes are not an issue for me. If were up to me government programs would be cut to the bone and taxes right along with them. The responsibility of the government is to print money, enforce the law and defend the nation militarily and those are about the only activities I would fund. Just about everything esle could be done cheaper and more efficently by the private sector. |
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***AWESOME*** |
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First, let me note that you didn't even attempt to counter the idea that "god" is arbitrary, so I will assume you concende the point. Does that mean you really think rights are a meaningless non-sensical idea? Rights are a concept made by man, but there is nothing arbitrary about them. The concept is firmly rooted in man's identity, which is to say in reality.
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Is this some kind of closet union debate? |
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Question 3: If corporations are entities created by the law of man with rights provided by the law of man and the law of man can be changed by man's will, then the rights of corporations can be changed by man's will. True or False
Answer riddle 3: How much wood can a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood? |
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