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Posted: 1/25/2006 9:14:51 AM EDT
(I searched for NFA and IRS and got nothing).

If we should ever get the Fair Tax or some other version and scrap the tax code (and maybe the IRS), would NFA weapons instantly become something that we could buy just like any other weapon of the same type (handgun, rifle, etc.), or would there still be some other basis they'd use to keep the extra control?
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 9:18:12 AM EDT
I'd be surprised to see the demise of the IRS in my lifetime. Too many people make a great living at deciphering the tax code.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 9:31:19 AM EDT
True. I'm not saying that it's about to happen tomorrow, but I'm curious about the result.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 9:33:11 AM EDT
Get rid of the IRS? Ha! That's about as likely as the ATF suddenly being regulated and required to come up with actual rules and guidelines instead of just making things up as they go and stomping all over everyone.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 8:53:25 PM EDT
H.R. 25 put out by my own congresscritter John Linder. He puts this bill out every session, and he keeps getting more and more cosponsors on it. 45 this time.

Rep Akin, W. Todd [MO-2] - 3/1/2005 Rep Baker, Richard H. [LA-6] - 3/8/2005
Rep Bartlett, Roscoe G. [MD-6] - 2/9/2005 Rep Bilirakis, Michael [FL-9] - 1/25/2005
Rep Bonilla, Henry [TX-23] - 2/8/2005 Rep Brady, Kevin [TX-8] - 1/4/2005
Rep Brown, Henry E., Jr. [SC-1] - 9/13/2005 Rep Burton, Dan [IN-5] - 9/29/2005
Rep Carter, John R. [TX-31] - 10/18/2005 Rep Conaway, K. Michael [TX-11] - 3/8/2005
Rep Cubin, Barbara [WY] - 2/8/2005 Rep Culberson, John Abney [TX-7] - 1/4/2005
Rep Davis, Jo Ann [VA-1] - 10/28/2005 Rep Deal, Nathan [GA-10] - 1/4/2005
Rep DeLay, Tom [TX-22] - 1/4/2005 Rep Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2] - 10/18/2005
Rep Flake, Jeff [AZ-6] - 1/4/2005 Rep Franks, Trent [AZ-2] - 4/26/2005
Rep Gingrey, Phil [GA-11] - 3/15/2005 Rep Graves, Sam [MO-6] - 4/13/2005
Rep Gutknecht, Gil [MN-1] - 1/4/2005 Rep Hall, Ralph M. [TX-4] - 2/8/2005
Rep Hefley, Joel [CO-5] - 5/19/2005 Rep Hensarling, Jeb [TX-5] - 2/1/2005
Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] - 10/6/2005 Rep Keller, Ric [FL-8] - 5/3/2005
Rep King, Steve [IA-5] - 1/4/2005 Rep Kingston, Jack [GA-1] - 1/4/2005
Rep Lewis, Jerry [CA-41] - 5/3/2005 Rep McCaul, Michael T. [TX-10] - 1/25/2005
Rep Miller, Gary G. [CA-42] - 2/9/2005 Rep Miller, Jeff [FL-1] - 1/25/2005
Rep Myrick, Sue [NC-9] - 4/12/2005 Rep Neugebauer, Randy [TX-19] - 2/1/2005
Rep Ney, Robert W. [OH-18] - 3/2/2005 Rep Norwood, Charlie [GA-9] - 1/6/2005
Rep Pearce, Stevan [NM-2] - 2/8/2005 Rep Poe, Ted [TX-2] - 10/27/2005
Rep Price, Tom [GA-6] - 1/4/2005 Rep Sodrel, Michael E. [IN-9] - 3/1/2005
Rep Stearns, Cliff [FL-6] - 3/1/2005 Rep Tancredo, Thomas G. [CO-6] - 9/13/2005
Rep Thornberry, Mac [TX-13] - 4/6/2005 Rep Westmoreland, Lynn A. [GA-8] - 1/4/2005
Rep Young, Don [AK] - 5/5/2005
Rep Davis, Geoff [KY-4] - 2/15/2005(withdrawn - 3/3/2005)


Link Posted: 1/25/2006 9:02:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DeltaAir423:
H.R. 25 put out by my own congresscritter John Linder. He puts this bill out every session, and he keeps getting more and more cosponsors on it. 45 this time.

Rep Akin, W. Todd [MO-2] - 3/1/2005 Rep Baker, Richard H. [LA-6] - 3/8/2005
Rep Bartlett, Roscoe G. [MD-6] - 2/9/2005 Rep Bilirakis, Michael [FL-9] - 1/25/2005
Rep Bonilla, Henry [TX-23] - 2/8/2005 Rep Brady, Kevin [TX-8] - 1/4/2005
Rep Brown, Henry E., Jr. [SC-1] - 9/13/2005 Rep Burton, Dan [IN-5] - 9/29/2005
Rep Carter, John R. [TX-31] - 10/18/2005 Rep Conaway, K. Michael [TX-11] - 3/8/2005
Rep Cubin, Barbara [WY] - 2/8/2005 Rep Culberson, John Abney [TX-7] - 1/4/2005
Rep Davis, Jo Ann [VA-1] - 10/28/2005 Rep Deal, Nathan [GA-10] - 1/4/2005
Rep DeLay, Tom [TX-22] - 1/4/2005 Rep Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2] - 10/18/2005
Rep Flake, Jeff [AZ-6] - 1/4/2005 Rep Franks, Trent [AZ-2] - 4/26/2005
Rep Gingrey, Phil [GA-11] - 3/15/2005 Rep Graves, Sam [MO-6] - 4/13/2005
Rep Gutknecht, Gil [MN-1] - 1/4/2005 Rep Hall, Ralph M. [TX-4] - 2/8/2005
Rep Hefley, Joel [CO-5] - 5/19/2005 Rep Hensarling, Jeb [TX-5] - 2/1/2005
Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] - 10/6/2005 Rep Keller, Ric [FL-8] - 5/3/2005
Rep King, Steve [IA-5] - 1/4/2005 Rep Kingston, Jack [GA-1] - 1/4/2005
Rep Lewis, Jerry [CA-41] - 5/3/2005 Rep McCaul, Michael T. [TX-10] - 1/25/2005
Rep Miller, Gary G. [CA-42] - 2/9/2005 Rep Miller, Jeff [FL-1] - 1/25/2005
Rep Myrick, Sue [NC-9] - 4/12/2005 Rep Neugebauer, Randy [TX-19] - 2/1/2005
Rep Ney, Robert W. [OH-18] - 3/2/2005 Rep Norwood, Charlie [GA-9] - 1/6/2005
Rep Pearce, Stevan [NM-2] - 2/8/2005 Rep Poe, Ted [TX-2] - 10/27/2005
Rep Price, Tom [GA-6] - 1/4/2005 Rep Sodrel, Michael E. [IN-9] - 3/1/2005
Rep Stearns, Cliff [FL-6] - 3/1/2005 Rep Tancredo, Thomas G. [CO-6] - 9/13/2005
Rep Thornberry, Mac [TX-13] - 4/6/2005 Rep Westmoreland, Lynn A. [GA-8] - 1/4/2005
Rep Young, Don [AK] - 5/5/2005
Rep Davis, Geoff [KY-4] - 2/15/2005(withdrawn - 3/3/2005)





Good deal.

Still doesn't answer the question though. Is there anything else would keep NFA restricted, or would they instantly be equal to current semi-autos?
Link Posted: 1/26/2006 7:05:32 AM EDT
Under section 3 of the NFA, it specifically states that the money will be paid to the comissioner of the IRS, if the IRS were to go away, there would be a virtual stop on all NFA transfers till the NFA either gets thrown out or ammended.
Link Posted: 1/26/2006 7:52:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Get rid of the IRS? Ha! That's about as likely as the ATF suddenly being regulated and required to come up with actual rules and guidelines instead of just making things up as they go and stomping all over everyone.



Actually, The ATF is special a division of the IRS set up to collect taxes on... You guessed it, Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
So, when the ATF kicks your door in, it is essentially for tax evasion.
Link Posted: 1/26/2006 7:57:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JUNG1999:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Get rid of the IRS? Ha! That's about as likely as the ATF suddenly being regulated and required to come up with actual rules and guidelines instead of just making things up as they go and stomping all over everyone.



Actually, The ATF is special a division of the IRS set up to collect taxes on... You guessed it, Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
So, when the ATF kicks your door in, it is essentially for tax evasion.



+1
Link Posted: 1/26/2006 8:01:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/26/2006 8:02:35 AM EDT
I thought I read somewhere the ATF tried to get themselves moved out from the Treasury Dept....did they?

If so scrapping the IRS wouldn't solve that problem.
Link Posted: 1/26/2006 8:02:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By JUNG1999:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Get rid of the IRS? Ha! That's about as likely as the ATF suddenly being regulated and required to come up with actual rules and guidelines instead of just making things up as they go and stomping all over everyone.



Actually, The ATF is special a division of the IRS set up to collect taxes on... You guessed it, Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
So, when the ATF kicks your door in, it is essentially for tax evasion.



wasn't the ATF moved into law enforcement under the Dept of Homeland Security?



Yeah I think so.

But they are still ENforceing Tax law.
Link Posted: 1/26/2006 8:45:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By JUNG1999:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
Get rid of the IRS? Ha! That's about as likely as the ATF suddenly being regulated and required to come up with actual rules and guidelines instead of just making things up as they go and stomping all over everyone.



Actually, The ATF is special a division of the IRS set up to collect taxes on... You guessed it, Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
So, when the ATF kicks your door in, it is essentially for tax evasion.



wasn't the ATF moved into law enforcement under the Dept of Homeland Security?



From wikipedia
"On November 25, 2002, the Homeland Security Act of 2002 split the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms/more commonly the BATF, into two different parts.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) was renamed the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and was moved into the Justice Department from the Treasury Department, and is responsible for the law enforcement effort.
The Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB) was kept within the Treasury Department and continues to operate most of the tax collection side. "
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