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Posted: 1/24/2006 3:17:34 PM EDT
Warriors and wusses
I DON'T SUPPORT our troops. This is a particularly difficult opinion to have, especially if you are the kind of person who likes to put bumper stickers on his car. Supporting the troops is a position that even Calvin is unwilling to urinate on.

I'm sure I'd like the troops. They seem gutsy, young and up for anything. If you're wandering into a recruiter's office and signing up for eight years of unknown danger, I want to hang with you in Vegas.
And I've got no problem with other people — the ones who were for the Iraq war — supporting the troops. If you think invading Iraq was a good idea, then by all means, support away. Load up on those patriotic magnets and bracelets and other trinkets the Chinese are making money off of.

But I'm not for the war. And being against the war and saying you support the troops is one of the wussiest positions the pacifists have ever taken — and they're wussy by definition. It's as if the one lesson they took away from Vietnam wasn't to avoid foreign conflicts with no pressing national interest but to remember to throw a parade afterward.

Blindly lending support to our soldiers, I fear, will keep them overseas longer by giving soft acquiescence to the hawks who sent them there — and who might one day want to send them somewhere else. Trust me, a guy who thought 50.7% was a mandate isn't going to pick up on the subtleties of a parade for just service in an unjust war. He's going to be looking for funnel cake.

Besides, those little yellow ribbons aren't really for the troops. They need body armor, shorter stays and a USO show by the cast of "Laguna Beach."

The real purpose of those ribbons is to ease some of the guilt we feel for voting to send them to war and then making absolutely no sacrifices other than enduring two Wolf Blitzer shows a day. Though there should be a ribbon for that.

I understand the guilt. We know we're sending recruits to do our dirty work, and we want to seem grateful.

After we've decided that we made a mistake, we don't want to blame the soldiers who were ordered to fight. Or even our representatives, who were deceived by false intelligence. And certainly not ourselves, who failed to object to a war we barely understood.

But blaming the president is a little too easy. The truth is that people who pull triggers are ultimately responsible, whether they're following orders or not. An army of people making individual moral choices may be inefficient, but an army of people ignoring their morality is horrifying. An army of people ignoring their morality, by the way, is also Jack Abramoff's pet name for the House of Representatives.

I do sympathize with people who joined up to protect our country, especially after 9/11, and were tricked into fighting in Iraq. I get mad when I'm tricked into clicking on a pop-up ad, so I can only imagine how they feel.

But when you volunteer for the U.S. military, you pretty much know you're not going to be fending off invasions from Mexico and Canada. So you're willingly signing up to be a fighting tool of American imperialism, for better or worse. Sometimes you get lucky and get to fight ethnic genocide in Kosovo, but other times it's Vietnam.

And sometimes, for reasons I don't understand, you get to just hang out in Germany.

I know this is all easy to say for a guy who grew up with money, did well in school and hasn't so much as served on jury duty for his country. But it's really not that easy to say because anyone remotely affiliated with the military could easily beat me up, and I'm listed in the phone book.

I'm not advocating that we spit on returning veterans like they did after the Vietnam War, but we shouldn't be celebrating people for doing something we don't think was a good idea. All I'm asking is that we give our returning soldiers what they need: hospitals, pensions, mental health and a safe, immediate return. But, please, no parades.

Seriously, the traffic is insufferable.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 3:22:28 PM EDT
Wow. It's good thing you're worthless, or I'd feel we lost something by your lack of support.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 3:23:29 PM EDT
Dupe, of my dupe of a dupe...


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Link Posted: 1/24/2006 3:29:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aviator:
Dupe, of my dupe of a dupe...


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This one?

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=430549

Link Posted: 1/24/2006 3:29:29 PM EDT
Uhm.....supporting the troops, but not liking the war is a "wussy" opinion? I'm sorry.....but that asswipe that wrote that needs a good flogging. I don't think that Iraq was a good war (given that Bush said it was part of the war on terrorism...etc...[if he had just said "To free the people of Iraq from an opressive leader, I'd have been cool with it) but I do support the troops 150%. Here is the reason. They don't have a choice if they go or stay. They are ordered to do a job that sucks and is dangerous. I'm sure that many are enjoying the experience, but they probably still have more sucky days then good ones. You can support the troops and not support the war, because by not supporting the war, the only person you aren't supporting is Bush....not supporting the troops is not going to bring them home any faster....it's only going to make the time when they do come home that much more difficult.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 3:30:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 3:36:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2006 3:40:13 PM EDT by gobbledog]

I'm not advocating that we spit on returning veterans like they did after the Vietnam War, but we shouldn't be celebrating people for doing something we don't think was a good idea. All I'm asking is that we give our returning soldiers what they need: hospitals, pensions, mental health and a safe, immediate return. But, please, no parades.



What do you mean 'WE' dickwad?

There wasn't a single thing you said that made any sense at all. As a veteran that went to Iraq, I can pretty much say that you don't know what the hell you're talking about in regards to what the soldiers think, feel or why they do what they are doing.

So next time you feel like speaking for others, you should just STFU!

edit - Maybe you should credit this to the guy who wrote it. As my comments are directed toward him. That is, unless you agree with him, then please take my comments personally.
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