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Posted: 1/22/2006 2:49:14 PM EDT
. . . would not buy Viagra. Or Cialis or whatever. I am so sick of the fucking spam.

Don't they realize that you don't have to advertise 'hard-on' drugs??? If someone's penis isn't getting hard, that person will either seek out medical attention or seek out a site on the internet to buy Viagra.

It's the same fucking reason you don't need to advertise cocaine, heroin or pussy.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 2:52:45 PM EDT
hehe..he said pussy.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 2:53:16 PM EDT
uh, chief, the 'spam' isn't done by the drug makers or legitimate vendors.

Kind of like saying "if I ever need a stereo, I won't buy one because the crack addict down street is always trying to sell me one".
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 2:55:43 PM EDT
you'll give in after two weeks tops
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 2:58:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:
uh, chief, the 'spam' isn't done by the drug makers or legitimate vendors.

Kind of like saying "if I ever need a stereo, I won't buy one because the crack addict down street is always trying to sell me one".



I know, I know. But it's fucking annoying.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 3:04:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By C-4:
. . . would not buy Viagra. Or Cialis or whatever. I am so sick of the fucking spam.






yes you WOOD.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 3:09:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 3:10:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By C-4:
. . . would not buy Viagra. Or Cialis or whatever. I am so sick of the fucking spam.

Don't they realize that you don't have to advertise 'hard-on' drugs??? If someone's penis isn't getting hard, that person will either seek out medical attention or seek out a site on the internet to buy Viagra.

It's the same fucking reason you don't need to advertise cocaine, heroin or pussy.




I bet peteCO would beg to differ with you.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 3:15:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jr1092:



See, see, it's everywhere!!!
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 3:36:04 PM EDT
If you feel your dick is working properly...

Then ignore the subliminal messages.

GM

Link Posted: 1/22/2006 3:40:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
you'll give in after two weeks tops

Link Posted: 1/22/2006 3:43:43 PM EDT
My wife knows how to turn the right moment to the hard moment
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 3:51:22 PM EDT
No viagra or cialis? You could try tape, rubber bands and popcicle sticks.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 3:53:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 3:55:48 PM EDT by _DR]

Originally Posted By bastiat:
uh, chief, the 'spam' isn't done by the drug makers or legitimate vendors.




The SPAM I see on TV sure is.
Trying to brainwash the public into buying crap they don't need because the patents have expired on the generics and they can't charge outrageius prices. So they create a new drugs that does the same thing but are still patented, and market the hell out of it. How do you think the the big drug makers became richer than the energy companies?

"Ask your doctor" my ass. Those frequents drug ads you see on TV are Spam in my book.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 3:59:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 4:00:43 PM EDT by smokycity]
You only say that now. Once you discover it's like trying to shoot pool with a piece of rope you'd change your mind.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 4:00:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By bastiat:
uh, chief, the 'spam' isn't done by the drug makers or legitimate vendors.




The SPAM I see on TV sure is.
Trying to brainwash the public into buying crap they don't need because the patents have expired on the generics and they can't charge outrageius prices. So they create a new drugs that does the same thing but are still patented, and market the hell out of it. How do you think the the big drug makers became richer than the energy companies?

"Ask your doctor" my ass. Those frequents drug ads you see on TV are Spam in my book.



then you need a different book.

Watching COMMERCIAL tv and complaining about seeing COMMERCIALS on it is rather silly.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 4:04:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By bastiat:
uh, chief, the 'spam' isn't done by the drug makers or legitimate vendors.




The SPAM I see on TV sure is.
Trying to brainwash the public into buying crap they don't need because the patents have expired on the generics and they can't charge outrageius prices. So they create a new drugs that does the same thing but are still patented, and market the hell out of it. How do you think the the big drug makers became richer than the energy companies?

"Ask your doctor" my ass. Those frequents drug ads you see on TV are Spam in my book.



Umm, isn't that kindof the point of expiring patents? To make the drug companies continually develop new drugs? I see those ads all the time. Yes they are annoying, but so are all ads. Just like the Jedi mindtrick, it only works on the weak-minded.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 4:06:40 PM EDT


Yeah, I'd need a hard on pill to nail her.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:31:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 5:32:04 PM EDT by passgas55]
Here I am reading this and watching TV and an ad for Cialis comes on. zombie voice mode: Must go out and buy Cialis. Of couse if I do and add it to the heart meds I take I will end up being a zombie. Question, what round do you use for a zombie that takes Cialis?
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:32:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GLOCKshooter:


Yeah, I'd need a hard on pill to nail her.





Heeeeeyyyy, wait just one cottonpickin' minute......what's she doing with her left hand. Looks like he won't be needing Cialis after all.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:33:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By C-4:
. . . would not buy Viagra. Or Cialis or whatever. I am so sick of the fucking spam.

Don't they realize that you don't have to advertise 'hard-on' drugs??? If someone's penis isn't getting hard, that person will either seek out medical attention or seek out a site on the internet to buy Viagra.

It's the same fucking reason you don't need to advertise cocaine, heroin or pussy.



Don't give out your email to porn sights then
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:41:19 PM EDT
If I had that problem wouldnt be much diffrent then now
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:45:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jr1092:



Whaddia meen "not studied for multiple attempts"


Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:52:34 PM EDT
wait until you realize your taxes are going towards free viagra for old-fucks via Mediscare (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/opinion/13538024.htm).
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:43:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 9:43:56 PM EDT by _DR]

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By bastiat:
uh, chief, the 'spam' isn't done by the drug makers or legitimate vendors.




The SPAM I see on TV sure is.
Trying to brainwash the public into buying crap they don't need because the patents have expired on the generics and they can't charge outrageius prices. So they create a new drugs that does the same thing but are still patented, and market the hell out of it. How do you think the the big drug makers became richer than the energy companies?

"Ask your doctor" my ass. Those frequents drug ads you see on TV are Spam in my book.



Umm, isn't that kindof the point of expiring patents? To make the drug companies continually develop new drugs? I see those ads all the time. Yes they are annoying, but so are all ads. Just like the Jedi mindtrick, it only works on the weak-minded.



Yes, but as in the case of Celebrex, when you develop new drugs for revenue and not for the health of the people buying them, big drug corps are helping only themselves.

Except when the right people find out about the falsified tests, obfuscated results and testimonials as is happening now.
But they will pay their way out of that, the FDA and many physicians will continue to be in bed with big drugs and the cycle will continue. never mind that some drugs kill more people than than they help until they get yanked.


Canada is the perfect example. The big Drug corps sell the same drugs to Canada at 3/4 the cost because the Canadian gov't puts a ceiling on the prices. Yes the drug corps still make a tidy profit or they would not sell to Canada. But will our lame gov't do the same for us? Hell no, they let the big drug corps continue to rape the American public because legislators have had their palms grease by the big drug corps. That's why I hate the drugs ads so much.

They are a bunch of treasonous bastards in my book, all of them.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:45:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By bastiat:
uh, chief, the 'spam' isn't done by the drug makers or legitimate vendors.




The SPAM I see on TV sure is.
Trying to brainwash the public into buying crap they don't need because the patents have expired on the generics and they can't charge outrageius prices. So they create a new drugs that does the same thing but are still patented, and market the hell out of it. How do you think the the big drug makers became richer than the energy companies?

"Ask your doctor" my ass. Those frequents drug ads you see on TV are Spam in my book.



Umm, isn't that kindof the point of expiring patents? To make the drug companies continually develop new drugs? I see those ads all the time. Yes they are annoying, but so are all ads. Just like the Jedi mindtrick, it only works on the weak-minded.



Yes, but as in the case of Celebrex, when you develop new drugs for revenue and not for the health of the people buying them, big drug corps are helping only themselves.

Except when the right people find out about the falsified tests, obfuscated results and testimonials as is happening now.
But they will pay their way out of that, the FDA and many physicians will continue to be in bed with big drugs and the cycle will continue. never mind that some drugs kill more people than than they help until they get yanked.


Canada is the perfect example. The big Drug corps sell the same drugs to Canada at 3/4 the cost because the Canadian gov't puts a ceiling on the prices. Yes the drug corps still make a tidy profit or they would not sell to Canada. But will our lame gov't do the same for us? Hell no, they let the big drug corps continue to rape the American public because legislators have had their palms grease by the big drug corps. That's why I hate the drugs ads so much.

They are a bunch of treasonous bastards in my book, all of them.



Maybe the magic money fairies can come and sprinkle millions of R&D dollars and make everything alright...
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:49:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 9:54:22 PM EDT by _DR]

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By bastiat:
uh, chief, the 'spam' isn't done by the drug makers or legitimate vendors.




The SPAM I see on TV sure is.
Trying to brainwash the public into buying crap they don't need because the patents have expired on the generics and they can't charge outrageius prices. So they create a new drugs that does the same thing but are still patented, and market the hell out of it. How do you think the the big drug makers became richer than the energy companies?

"Ask your doctor" my ass. Those frequents drug ads you see on TV are Spam in my book.



Umm, isn't that kindof the point of expiring patents? To make the drug companies continually develop new drugs? I see those ads all the time. Yes they are annoying, but so are all ads. Just like the Jedi mindtrick, it only works on the weak-minded.



Yes, but as in the case of Celebrex, when you develop new drugs for revenue and not for the health of the people buying them, big drug corps are helping only themselves.

Except when the right people find out about the falsified tests, obfuscated results and testimonials as is happening now.
But they will pay their way out of that, the FDA and many physicians will continue to be in bed with big drugs and the cycle will continue. never mind that some drugs kill more people than than they help until they get yanked.


Canada is the perfect example. The big Drug corps sell the same drugs to Canada at 3/4 the cost because the Canadian gov't puts a ceiling on the prices. Yes the drug corps still make a tidy profit or they would not sell to Canada. But will our lame gov't do the same for us? Hell no, they let the big drug corps continue to rape the American public because legislators have had their palms grease by the big drug corps. That's why I hate the drugs ads so much.

They are a bunch of treasonous bastards in my book, all of them.



Maybe the magic money fairies can come and sprinkle millions of R&D dollars and make everything alright...



It does not take a genius to see that a massive portion of those profits are not going into R&D, but rather executives bloated pockets and paying off politicians. They are likely the most powerful consortium in history, far eclipsing the oil industry. They are an incredibly dangerous conflict of interest at work.

I have worked in the medical industry since 1991. I have no illusions about this, none whatsoever.

But you seem convinced they are the knight in shining armor, so go with that if you want.
We will agree to disagree.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:00:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:
It does not take a genius to see that a massive portion of those profits are not going into R&D, but rather executives bloated pockets and paying off politicians. They are likely the most powerful consortium in history, far eclipsing the oil industry. They are an incredibly dnagerous conflict of interest at work.



And if we didn't have people *GASP* making a profit (I know that may sound evil to you), there would be no incentive to develop the medications that are saving and improving lives.

Sorry, you're picking and chosing lefty talking points and ignoring the reality.

Canada is having problems because their "cheap drugs" are being bought out by americans. R&D can not be sustained on capped prices. You have to pick one or the other.

And YOU are subsidizing the cheap canadian drugs. They have to make it up somewhere. It's not a noble experiment. It's a mess that causes higher prices here.

And you're half right about the problem being with the government - but it's a problem with the overly complex and idiotic approval process for drugs. And the failure of congress to enact tort reform.

You want cheaper drugs?
1. Simplify the approval process (and speed it up)
2. Tort reform so ambulance chasers can't make BILLIONS off of statistically insignificant data variations.
3. All drugs everywhere are at market prices- not capped.
4. Get rid of 3rd party payment for drugs (and medical care as well) - that is one of the most significant factors in the cost of medical care. It's like having government / employer provided cars- people are always going to spend more than they otherwise would when someone else is paying the bill.

But bitching about how evil corporations are acting all "corporationy" and making profits will only leave you with less innovation and more people dying. Cause and effect doesn't not cease to function just because people "really need medical care".
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:01:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By C-4:
. . . would not buy Viagra. Or Cialis or whatever. I am so sick of the fucking spam.

Don't they realize that you don't have to advertise 'hard-on' drugs??? If someone's penis isn't getting hard, that person will either seek out medical attention or seek out a site on the internet to buy Viagra.

It's the same fucking reason you don't need to advertise cocaine, heroin or pussy.



I was just saying this today.
Seriously - if it is enough of a problem, the guy will seek out help.
Stop putting that shit on TV.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 6:46:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By _DR:
It does not take a genius to see that a massive portion of those profits are not going into R&D, but rather executives bloated pockets and paying off politicians. They are likely the most powerful consortium in history, far eclipsing the oil industry. They are an incredibly dnagerous conflict of interest at work.



And if we didn't have people *GASP* making a profit (I know that may sound evil to you), there would be no incentive to develop the medications that are saving and improving lives.

Sorry, you're picking and chosing lefty talking points and ignoring the reality.

Canada is having problems because their "cheap drugs" are being bought out by americans. R&D can not be sustained on capped prices. You have to pick one or the other.

And YOU are subsidizing the cheap canadian drugs. They have to make it up somewhere. It's not a noble experiment. It's a mess that causes higher prices here.

And you're half right about the problem being with the government - but it's a problem with the overly complex and idiotic approval process for drugs. And the failure of congress to enact tort reform.

You want cheaper drugs?
1. Simplify the approval process (and speed it up)
2. Tort reform so ambulance chasers can't make BILLIONS off of statistically insignificant data variations.
3. All drugs everywhere are at market prices- not capped.
4. Get rid of 3rd party payment for drugs (and medical care as well) - that is one of the most significant factors in the cost of medical care. It's like having government / employer provided cars- people are always going to spend more than they otherwise would when someone else is paying the bill.

But bitching about how evil corporations are acting all "corporationy" and making profits will only leave you with less innovation and more people dying. Cause and effect doesn't not cease to function just because people "really need medical care".



As I said, we will agree to disagree.
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