Posted: 1/21/2006 6:49:08 AM EDT
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And here I thought all union members made $65+ per hour. hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/UNION_MEMBERSHIP?SITE=PAPOT&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-01-21-05-55-11 Long-Declining Union Membership Levels Off By WILL LESTER Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- Long-declining union membership leveled off last year at 12.5 percent of the work force, the Labor Department said Friday in a report labor leaders called encouraging. Union membership was about a third of the work force a half-century ago, and was one in five, 20 percent, in 1983, when the Labor Department started keeping such data. The department said 15.7 million workers were union members in 2005. Blacks were more likely than whites, Hispanics or Asian workers to be members of a union. Men were more likely than women to be in unions and those in the public sector were four times as likely as those in the private sector to be in unions. Full-time workers who were union members had median weekly earnings of $801, compared with a median weekly income of $622 for workers who were not in unions. "The good news is that the annual hemorrhaging of union membership slowed last year," said Teamsters' President James P. Hoffa. "And that's not really good news. A worker's right to join a union has been continually eroded by a corporate takeover of our government." The difficulties facing labor contributed to a split between the AFL-CIO, an umbrella federation of more than 50 unions, and about a half dozen unions including the Teamsters, who wanted to focus more resources on building membership. AFL-CIO President John Sweeney cited the leveling off of union membership as good news for a movement that has faced troubles. "In a political climate that's hostile to worker's rights," Sweeney said, "these numbers illustrate the extraordinary will of workers to gain a voice on the job despite enormous obstacles." |
As the government continues to bloat it will cause a leveling off--the majority of union members work for the government.  The worthwhile unions (trade unions) are probably fairly stable and the unions in factories are probably the single greatest cause of moving factory jobs overseas. 
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Yep - the trade union guys are doing jobs that require skills and hard work, and most of them realize the health of the employer equals the health of their jobs. The unskilled / lowskilled union workers are merely marking the days until their jobs are moved oversease. You can't be paid $20 an hour for a job that that requires $10 an hour worth of skill and expect to have your job forever. |
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I live in a state where I am free from that crap. I'm sorry, but I'm not paying anyone for the privlege of working somewhere |
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uh, which ones? Not toyota. |
is the South Carolina BMW plant union? |
Yep. Do the research. Toyota pays its US workers almost exactly the same wages/benefits as the Union US auto worker. Toyota also mandates that only Union workers will build their plants. How does Toyota do it? They're more efficient. WAY more efficient. I'm working at the Toyota plant here, and have been working with an electrical engineer from Detroit by way of Japan. This guy works from 0630 until 1800 7 days a week - this is his normal schedule. He CONSTANTLY checks on how things are going. And I don't mean walking around - he gets down on his hands and knees, looks under things, climbs ladders to ensure beam clamps are tight, etc. The Japanese surely understand the concept of quality. But I'll keep driving my American vehicles, thank you very much. You know...the ones made by American workers who are too stupid to read, difficult to train, etc. ** This is in reference to a poster who misrepresented US auto workers by selectively quoted an auto manuf official - and almost resulted in my getting my account locked.** |
TBK thank you for seeing that our trade unions are worthwhile . I think I deserve to make the kind of money that I do in my job. I went to school for 5 years, had 10,000 hours of on the job training and took hundreds of hours of night classes to get to where I am now. Although I am not getting rich by any means I feel that I am paid fairly. As for the factory unions I think that the UAW is the classic example of "semi-skilled" workers getting paid more than they deserve. In my local if the IBEW we aren't bleeding the contractors dry. We don't get holiday pay, vacation pay, of any of the other "benefits" that most of our non-union counterparts get. We have a very symbiotic relationship with the contractors, and they make good money from what we do. We are professionals and get paid like professionals, but we also work like professionals. As for union dues, we pay $76.86/quarter plus 4% of our net pay. falaholic1, as for unions needing to die a horrible death... you need to think before you make blanket statements like that. |
Pretty much the same here. We even have a 'no strike' clause in our contract. And the contractors use the Books as a manpower pool - they don't like you, you get moved to a job that's finishing up, then RIF'd. We have plenty of work down here - IBEW Local 60 San Antonio - if you're so inclined. Plenty. |
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Don't forget that those union govt. workers include: LEO , Fire & EMT , Mass Transit , Water and Sanitation , Food Inspection , etc. , even the people who collect your local taxes and make sure that bridge you drive over everyday doesn't fall down.  Sort of essential in a civilized world. 
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Trade unions are a different animal than factory unions. Trade unions are more of a guild that ensures that people do quality work. You want electrical done you either do it yourself or you get a union electrician. Willing to bet that Toyotas Union workers have a whole different set of rules than what UAW used to destroy the big 3. |
Not really true, I know there are a lot of union haters out there but look at what my Teamster local is up against. New contract comming up in Feb. 1. large increase in insurance costs. 2. Alternate work week - This is so they can have people with regular shifts on weekends and not pay OT. 3. Small increase in pension, not enough to retire on. We make decent money (and pay 2 1/2 hours of our pay in duse per month), but everyone in my company should be pissed wether you're an hourly union employee of salaried non-union employee. My company has $$billions$$ in long term contracts. Profits and stocks have been rising including a split in stocks this year. The company is in it's best shape in decades. Our CEO made $88 million in compensation from his salary, stock options and profits from his holding of company stock in 2004. There is no reason for our union members to take a cut in benefits or overtime. 1. THIS IS CORPORATE GREED!!! 2. THERE NEEDS TO BE A LIMIT ON EXECUTIVE COMPENSATION!! |
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and the last time you ran a multi-billion dollar company was when? this "corporate greed" bs gets annoying. he gets paid that much because he can do a job that very few can. if the company goes down, he takes the blame. how about you go learn for yourself instead of reiterating what your union kommisar instructs you to. |
No...people should be able to fight and earn as much as possible. Corporations should hire attorneys, and fight the Union to keep as much of their money as possible. Just as workers should join Unions, hire attorneys, and fight to keep as much of the money they made for their employers as possible. I'm all about fighting for what you want. |
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I'm usually pretty anti-union, particularly factory unions. However I can tell you that at my company, the CEO ran the company into the ground and when we got bought he slid out with a nice fat severance of over $100 million, plus full health care for life and a pension that pays every year what most folks don't make in a life time. The CEO rarely gets screwed (or blamed). Exceptions are usually where the CEO was downright criminal (Worldcom, Enron, etc). I have 4 electronics techs that work for me, and they recently were pretty much forced into the CWA. Actually, it isn't required that they join the union, but after watching the 20 other techs that got RIF'd over the last 5 years (in our city alone), they went for it. It turned out to be pretty beneficial for them, and the company is now starting to turn around and become somewhat profitable again. All the RIF'd jobs are now performed by underpaid contractors with no benefits at all (although the company pays their employer a lot more than they would have cost as employees before in terms of the hourly rate). The company gains the advantage of not having to worry about their pensions or any other benefits, and not having to plan for growth as carefully since they can simply stop contracting work on a day's notice without having to concern themselves about the security of their contractors jobs. Some of them are guys that used to be employees (before the union came in). Pretty much sucks for them. The rest of us are REALLY lucky to have held on to our jobs. All due (IMO) to piss poor management at the highest levels. |
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Reminds me of a good Ann Coulter column a while back... I don't have it handy, but she documented that the big unions (AFL-CIO, Teamsters, etc IIRC) at the political level seemed to be more interested in environmental protection, abortion, and gay marriage than in keeping and generating more blue-collar jobs in America. Illustrates pretty well what the big unions have become. |
Thanks mr stalin. If a union worker screws up, a product or order may be ruined. But they likely will still have a job. If a CEO screws up, the company could go out of business, resulting in NO ONE having a job. They get paid because of the importance of the work they do and the limited number of people that can do it well. You want to be paid more? Get a more important job that fewer people can do well. Until then, quit complaining, comrade. |
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I am a machinist in the areospace industry. I do specialized work that is not normally done by general machinists. If I screw up the aircraft goes down and people die. If the CEO screws up he may have his contract bought out by the BOD and he leaves with a shitload of cash as a settlement. |
Then it looks like you chose the wrong career. Not the CEO's fault, though. |
They can't. |