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Posted: 1/6/2006 7:10:09 PM EDT
Any one ever hunt big-big game like elephants and such. What size of cal. would you use? Ive been researching .375 H&H but I've been told their under powered.

What kind of gun would you use?
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:10:54 PM EDT
I'd probably go with ole Teddy's "big medicine" myself
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:14:44 PM EDT
megaphone and a soundtrack of a racking shotgun. Or AR50.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:17:53 PM EDT
.458 Winchester Magnum, .458 Lott, .460 Weatherby Magnum, .470 Nitro Express, and .500 Nitro Express.

Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:31:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
I'd probably go with ole Teddy's "big medicine" myself



Ive heard of that but never knew what cal. it was or who made it.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:32:43 PM EDT
.416 Rigby if I'm not mistaken
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:36:05 PM EDT
.50 BMG.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:41:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2006 7:41:50 PM EDT by RIA45ACP]

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
.416 Rigby if I'm not mistaken



405 Winchester, chambered in the Winchester 1895, if were still talking about Roosevelt
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:43:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Krazny13:
.50 BMG.



If I had the money I would already have one.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:44:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RIA45ACP:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
.416 Rigby if I'm not mistaken



405 Winchester, chambered in the Winchester 1895, if were still talking about Roosevelt



ah yes, I was a bit quick on the trigger there, oops
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:45:00 PM EDT
Why did you use the 700 Nitro Express to kill the Elephant?
Because they don't make a 900 Nitro Express.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:46:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By staraero:
megaphone and a soundtrack of a racking shotgun. Or AR50.





That only scares them away.

Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:49:06 PM EDT
maybe a Punt gun loaded with mice?
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:49:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL-01:
Why did you use the 700 Nitro Express to kill the Elephant?
Because they don't make a 900 Nitro Express.



So who makes a 700 Nitro Express.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:58:21 PM EDT
Just yahoo'n 700 nitro express -5 shots $382.78. Is that normal?
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 8:05:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2006 8:08:34 PM EDT by NoHarmNoFAL-01]



www.accuratereloading.com/700ne.html


We built this rifle on a 50 BMG single shot action, and a 23 1/5" barrel made in Ferlach, Austria. The rifle weighs in at 18 1/4 pounds. We used Searcy brass and Federal 215 primers. We had hang fires in all the loads we tried, until we used 2 grains of Alliant Bullseye to help ignite the powder charge. No hang fires were experienced in any of the loads with 2 grains of Bullseye. The load with 250 grains of VVN 160 is maximum. 5 more grains of powder resulted in a very stiff bolt, and when opened we found the primer has fallen out of the case.



2 + 250 VVN 160 2442FPS 13240 FT/LBS

Link Posted: 1/6/2006 8:20:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL-01:
www.accuratereloading.com/700c.jpg
www.accuratereloading.com/700ner.jpg

www.accuratereloading.com/700ne.html


We built this rifle on a 50 BMG single shot action, and a 23 1/5" barrel made in Ferlach, Austria. The rifle weighs in at 18 1/4 pounds. We used Searcy brass and Federal 215 primers. We had hang fires in all the loads we tried, until we used 2 grains of Alliant Bullseye to help ignite the powder charge. No hang fires were experienced in any of the loads with 2 grains of Bullseye. The load with 250 grains of VVN 160 is maximum. 5 more grains of powder resulted in a very stiff bolt, and when opened we found the primer has fallen out of the case.



2 + 250 VVN 160 2442FPS 13240 FT/LBS




I'll hold your beer while you shoot it.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 8:36:06 PM EDT
yeah i was lookn at that page to
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 8:39:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RUSSIANCATKILLA:
Any one ever hunt big-big game like elephants and such. What size of cal. would you use? Ive been researching .375 H&H but I've been told their under powered.

What kind of gun would you use?



It is much better to have a small gun you shoot well than a big gun that makes you flinch.

Though AR15 is populated by many high-octane testosterone pumping men, the .45+ caliber African magnums still pack a good punch.

Most any guide would rather have someone that can shoot 1" groups with thier .375 than 12" with a .458
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 8:45:28 PM EDT
My physics is a little rough but if you have a bullet that has 13240 FT/LBS of energy the muzzle you are sucking up 13240 FT/LBS on the other end. OUCH! I bet that would leave snot on the stock.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 8:47:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RUSSIANCATKILLA:

Originally Posted By Krazny13:
.50 BMG.



If I had the money I would already have one.



If you are trying to take an elephant, i would want the .50 BMG.

Again. If you are traveling to a place where you can shoot an elephant legally the cost of the .50 sholdn't be a concern.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 8:50:54 PM EDT
Reminds me of that major dupe video going around a long time ago of the "afghani special forces" and those guys shooting the rifle in doors.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 8:52:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dace:
Reminds me of that major dupe video going around a long time ago of the "afghani special forces" and those guys shooting the rifle in doors.



that was a video from the guys who built that rifle above
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 9:03:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By Dace:
Reminds me of that major dupe video going around a long time ago of the "afghani special forces" and those guys shooting the rifle in doors.



that was a video from the guys who built that rifle above



Jesus those guys are idiots, check out the "joke" the played.

www.accuratereloading.com/holewall.html
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 9:07:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dace:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By Dace:
Reminds me of that major dupe video going around a long time ago of the "afghani special forces" and those guys shooting the rifle in doors.



that was a video from the guys who built that rifle above



Jesus those guys are idiots, check out the "joke" the played.

www.accuratereloading.com/holewall.html



That is NOT a joke that is seriously stupid. That could have easily got someone killed or hurt really bad. I would have walked out and butt stroked everyone in the shop for that one.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 9:08:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By crazyquik:

Originally Posted By RUSSIANCATKILLA:
Any one ever hunt big-big game like elephants and such. What size of cal. would you use? Ive been researching .375 H&H but I've been told their under powered.

What kind of gun would you use?



It is much better to have a small gun you shoot well than a big gun that makes you flinch.

Though AR15 is populated by many high-octane testosterone pumping men, the .45+ caliber African magnums still pack a good punch.

Most any guide would rather have someone that can shoot 1" groups with thier .375 than 12" with a .458

I'm not planning on hunting with these(though I wish I could). I only ask because I am curious.

Link Posted: 1/6/2006 9:31:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Triumph955i:

Originally Posted By RUSSIANCATKILLA:

Originally Posted By Krazny13:
.50 BMG.



If I had the money I would already have one.



If you are trying to take an elephant, i would want the .50 BMG.

Again. If you are traveling to a place where you can shoot an elephant legally the cost of the .50 sholdn't be a concern.



.50 bmg isnt best choice for elephant sized game, they have high blood volume and low blood pressure so you must go for a head shot only. To ensure a kill you want a big fat softnose bullet that dumps all its energy into a big bony skull and the force will scramble the brain, a .50 might just go through. I know absloutely nothing of elephant hunting but this is what ive heard so take it with a grain of salt
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:08:00 PM EDT
.50 BMG may be illegal in some of those countries as well. Semi autos and camo are. Military carts in general might be.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:19:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By staraero:

megaphone and a soundtrack of a racking shotgun. .




Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:20:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2006 7:21:25 PM EDT by david_g17]
use an AK-47 like the locals do.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:34:53 PM EDT
Lots of elephants were cleanly taken with a 7X57 Mauser with solid bullets.
That would not be my first choice but obviously it can be done.

.375 H&H Magnum is probably a strating but I would go a little bigger.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:42:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cypher214:
.458 Winchester Magnum, .458 Lott, .460 Weatherby Magnum, .470 Nitro Express, and .500 Nitro Express.



Those are a start, I've got a .375 H&H and I love it. It's the preferred gun for bears and lions. It feeds very smoothly due to the shoulder on the round and ammo. is realatively common. However if I was after cape buffalo, elephants, or hippos I would use a .470 nitro express or a .460 weatherby, or best of all a .475 Lazzeroni Bibamufu (that really is the name of the round), they, Lazzeroni, also make a .416 (the meteor) it has 6900 ft #s with a 400 grain bullet. Oh and final advice I would NOT shoot any of these in the prone.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 8:01:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By crazyquik:
.50 BMG may be illegal in some of those countries as well. Semi autos and camo are. Military carts in general might be.



Like as in camo clothes?

well anyways thanks for the help everyone
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