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Posted: 12/31/2005 12:40:34 PM EDT
I feel old...
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 12:41:50 PM EDT
No, but I know of a guys who used to be able to smoke while stocking groceries.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 12:42:26 PM EDT
I didn't remember how to breath clean air in a restaurant until now though.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 12:45:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2005 12:48:33 PM EDT by CavVet]

Originally Posted By bblake00:
I feel old...



Yes. I remember when America was free..........







Originally Posted By Chokey:
I didn't remember how to breath clean air in a restaurant until now though.





If it was such a fucking good idea, someone with capital would have opened up non smoking resturants a long time ago. They didnt. Why not?

So along come the do-gooders with their socialist agendas to prohibit business owners from doing as they see fit in their establishments.


I dont smoke, and I used to sit in the non-smoking sections, but I hate socialists far worse than smoke.




Link Posted: 12/31/2005 12:47:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By bblake00:
I feel old...



Yes. I remember when America was free..........











+1,000,000
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 12:47:20 PM EDT
I shared a room in a hosp with a guy that smoked, he fell asleep with a lit one and nearly burned right in his bed. Nice way to recover from surgery.. hear screams in the middle of the night..
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 12:56:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2005 1:01:52 PM EDT by PeteCO]
I remember when offices used to have ashtrays on the desk - when a co-worker handed you some paperwork, brushing off the ashes....

I also remember having brandy in the office, and only sending women out for sandwiches.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 12:58:39 PM EDT
I was hospitalized in 1964?. I was about 3 years old. My hospital room had a no smoking sign and I remember my parents commenting on how strange the sign was. They weren't sure if that meant they could smoke in the hallway, just not in the room. The only things I remember from that hospital stay was the sign, getting a 5 quart pail of army men from a visitor, getting lots of shots, and TV stations were off the air until 6:00 AM. Wierd things kids remember.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 1:03:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BobP:
The only things I remember from that hospital stay was the sign, getting a 5 quart pail of army men from a visitor, getting lots of shots, and TV stations were off the air until 6:00 AM. Wierd things kids remember.




You got the whole 5 qt. pail?


TV stations signing off..........Man, I forgot about that, the National anthem then the color pattern with that hideous sound that woke you up.



Link Posted: 12/31/2005 1:03:44 PM EDT
Nowadays, you can't even smoke on hospital property.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 1:16:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By BobP:
The only things I remember from that hospital stay was the sign, getting a 5 quart pail of army men from a visitor, getting lots of shots, and TV stations were off the air until 6:00 AM. Wierd things kids remember.




You got the whole 5 qt. pail?


TV stations signing off..........Man, I forgot about that, the National anthem then the color pattern with that hideous sound that woke you up.






Yep 5 quart pail, I had soldiers all around the hospital room in mock battles
That Christmas I got the half-track which had a cannon in the back. The cannon fired a red plastic missle. I wish I still had that stuff. I don't remember what happened to the half track, but the army men were eventually lost, broken, or blown up in the terrible firecracker wars of '69

My dad loved telling the story about how he walked into the room about 5:45 AM and I was zipping though the channels looking for anything and only getting the test patterns.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 1:26:26 PM EDT
Remember when most of the people who worked at the hospital smoked ??

Doh !! It' won't happen to me !
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 1:29:27 PM EDT
I remember all the cigarette butts on the floors at the grocery store. housewives pushing there cart along with a lit cig...
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 1:32:20 PM EDT
Remember when the cigarette ads said that smoking was good for your health?
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 1:35:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 1:36:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
Remember when the cigarette ads said that smoking was good for your health?



Actually no, I don't recall ever seeing that.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 1:43:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By BobP:
The only things I remember from that hospital stay was the sign, getting a 5 quart pail of army men from a visitor, getting lots of shots, and TV stations were off the air until 6:00 AM. Wierd things kids remember.




You got the whole 5 qt. pail?


TV stations signing off..........Man, I forgot about that, the National anthem then the color pattern with that hideous sound that woke you up.






You two just sent me down memory lane. Wow!
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 1:45:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rjay:
Remember when most of the people who worked at the hospital smoked ??

Doh !! It' won't happen to me !



You just reminded me of people smoking in the waiting rooms at the hospital and clinic. Anyone else remember the tall, portable, standing ashtrays? They had a base which put the actual ashtray about the same level as the arm of a chair. There was a rigid handle which alloowed people to pick them up and move them. Smokers would use them to collect the ashes, put out the cigarettes, and then push a button to open the bottom of the ashtray and the debris would fall into the hollow base.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 1:49:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BobP:

Originally Posted By rjay:
Remember when most of the people who worked at the hospital smoked ??

Doh !! It' won't happen to me !



You just reminded me of people smoking in the waiting rooms at the hospital and clinic. Anyone else remember the tall, portable, standing ashtrays? They had a base which put the actual ashtray about the same level as the arm of a chair. There was a rigid handle which alloowed people to pick them up and move them. Smokers would use them to collect the ashes, put out the cigarettes, and then push a button to open the bottom of the ashtray and the debris would fall into the hollow base.



The stainless one? I also remember the cheaper ones that were just an ashtray on a stand. Tray came out to dump.




Will we ever see our country free again?



Link Posted: 12/31/2005 1:53:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BobP:


....but the army men were eventually lost, broken, or blown up in the terrible firecracker wars of '69

......




I was involved in that war too. Mine took place in a Lincoln Log fort


Link Posted: 12/31/2005 1:59:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2005 1:59:53 PM EDT by Echo_Hotel]

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
Remember when the cigarette ads said that smoking was good for your health?


I'm old enough to remember cigarette ads on TV from the late 60s and early 70s. I've also seen reruns of the old TV ads that said smoking was good for you, that cigarettes contained "vitamins", etc.

I saw one a few years back with Perry Como from the 50s that I remember in particular. "Smoke Lucky Strikes, they're GREAT FOR YA!"

Of course, everybody smoked back then. Smoking wasn't widely recognized as dangerous and didn't carry the stigma it does today.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 2:00:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
Remember when the cigarette ads said that smoking was good for your health?



Actually no, I don't recall ever seeing that.


A good portion of the cigarette ads used to contain endorsements for medical organizations, doctors, or nurses. Kools used to advertise they were good for you to smoke when you had a sore throat (or throat scratch as the term I heard used then). Fatima used to often use nurses in their ads with the quote "it's wise to smoke Fatima" in them. Others claimed to good for your nerves, and would very often have quotes from doctors. There was an old Camel ad that had a long list of endorsements from doctors, and it claimed more doctors smoke Camel than any other brand. Kent used to claim their cigarettes would "protect" your health. An article in JAMA even supported Kent's claim.

I know quite a few people that still don't trust doctors after the way doctors supported the tobacco industry for so long.z
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 2:05:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By BobP:

Originally Posted By rjay:
Remember when most of the people who worked at the hospital smoked ??

Doh !! It' won't happen to me !



You just reminded me of people smoking in the waiting rooms at the hospital and clinic. Anyone else remember the tall, portable, standing ashtrays? They had a base which put the actual ashtray about the same level as the arm of a chair. There was a rigid handle which alloowed people to pick them up and move them. Smokers would use them to collect the ashes, put out the cigarettes, and then push a button to open the bottom of the ashtray and the debris would fall into the hollow base.



The stainless one? I also remember the cheaper ones that were just an ashtray on a stand. Tray came out to dump.




Will we ever see our country free again?






The ones I remember were a bronze color, the base 1-1.5 ft in diameter, narrowing to about 4 inches, then widening out to hold the ashtray about 8 inches. Measurements are wild estimates, it's been awhile. I did have to empty one once, a real pain if a a bunch of half smoked cigarettes or cigars got caught in the narrow part.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 2:19:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2005 2:22:12 PM EDT by Echo_Hotel]

Originally Posted By zoom:
<Snip> A good portion of the cigarette ads used to contain endorsements for medical organizations, doctors, or nurses. <Snip>


Along those same lines, I recall browsing some book or website or something (might have even been a TV show, I don't recall) that was all about what people could advertise back before such things were regulated. I'm here to tell you people: the FDA is a gooooooood thing!

I mean, back in the early part of the 20th century you had crazy bastards selling things like radium suppositories and claiming they cured impotence (yes, there was a market for such scams back then, too). I mean, just deadly dangerous contraptions of all kinds. Use your imagination and somebody was selling it. I'm not sure much actual radium was sold but a lot of truly dangerous gizmos were and they were advertised as doing anything you can imagine.

Here we go: I just Googled one. Look at how this crap is marketed. The more things change, the more they stay the same

Plain Brown Wrapper

ETA: This is particularly important for, Weak, discouraged men!
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 2:29:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Echo_Hotel:

Originally Posted By zoom:
<Snip> A good portion of the cigarette ads used to contain endorsements for medical organizations, doctors, or nurses. <Snip>


Along those same lines, I recall browsing some book or website or something (might have even been a TV show, I don't recall) that was all about what people could advertise back before such things were regulated. I'm here to tell you people: the FDA is a gooooooood thing!

I mean, back in the early part of the 20th century you had crazy bastards selling things like radium suppositories and claiming they cured impotence (yes, there was a market for such scams back then, too). I mean, just deadly dangerous contraptions of all kinds. Use your imagination and somebody was selling it. I'm not sure much actual radium was sold but a lot of truly dangerous gizmos were and they were advertised as doing anything you can imagine.

Here we go: I just Googled one. Look at how this crap is marketed. The more things change, the more they stay the same

Plain Brown Wrapper

ETA: This is particularly important for, Weak, discouraged men!



They used to use Mercury-based dental fillings, as recently as 20-30 years ago.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 2:30:14 PM EDT
Back around 1962 my dad went to the hospital for exploratory surgery [turned out to be an infected pancreas sp] afterwards he was on morphine and , he doesnt remember this but, he had the nurse stand next to his bed and hold the cigerette for him so he could smoke. Lucky Strikes. He was a tuff old bird.


Us smokers ought to come up with a law that will piss off the non smokers.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 2:41:40 PM EDT
I smoked in the hospital when all my kids were born.



GM
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 2:44:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By BobP:

Originally Posted By rjay:
Remember when most of the people who worked at the hospital smoked ??

Doh !! It' won't happen to me !



You just reminded me of people smoking in the waiting rooms at the hospital and clinic. Anyone else remember the tall, portable, standing ashtrays? They had a base which put the actual ashtray about the same level as the arm of a chair. There was a rigid handle which alloowed people to pick them up and move them. Smokers would use them to collect the ashes, put out the cigarettes, and then push a button to open the bottom of the ashtray and the debris would fall into the hollow base.



The stainless one? I also remember the cheaper ones that were just an ashtray on a stand. Tray came out to dump.




Will we ever see our country free again?






Hope we're not heading here, but everyday it looks more like we are (Edgar Friendly from Demolition Man)


According to Cocteau's plan, I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal?

Link Posted: 12/31/2005 2:45:12 PM EDT
I remember when I COULDN'T smoke in bars or restaruants in California. Since moving to Ohio, I find that I smoke like a chimney. I'm just trying to get it while I can before they ban it. California screwed me up.

I would just about die if they let me smoke in a hospital.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 3:00:42 PM EDT
We had a smoking area in high school. If you had a letter from your parents you could smoke. Three forths of us didn't, but nobody checked.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 3:22:14 PM EDT
Doctors can't be trusted anymore today. The current anti-smoking research was tailor made to support anti-smokers. When the WHO first studied second hand smoke, they didn't find any health risks. Those studies were thrown out and new studies were created to fabricate a risk where there wasn't one.

The tobacco industry has a lot of money. The anti-smokers are out to eliminate the tobacco industry's political clout.

Obviously, smoking can be bad for you but it doesn't have the same effect on everybody.

I'm more afraid of the mob mentality and social engineering behind the anti-smoking campaign than of any adverse health risks.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 3:29:29 PM EDT
I can remember smoking while filling up at the gas station
Smoking on planes
Smoking in grocery stores


ahhh good times ...........good times
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 3:58:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:

I'm more afraid of the mob mentality and social engineering behind the anti-smoking campaign than of any adverse health risks.




You are spot on.


But what do you really expect from the looney left? They are socialists who think Saddam was a great guy.




Link Posted: 12/31/2005 4:54:07 PM EDT
My dad smoked in St. Francis(Tulsa) as late as 1993. He was in for back surgery, and the staff never said anything about it. They did tell him that he wouldn't be able to drive a car for some time, to which he replied,"I believe the state of Oklahoma would agree with you on that."
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:01:31 PM EDT
I recall going on rounds (2003/2004) and having the nurse report to me that either my patient or his roomate had some crack and were smoking it in the room last night...they couldn't be sure who was the owner of the crack, so they couldn't kick both out of the hospital.

Then the guy who set his sheets on fire intentionally...burned several rooms and caused the closure of the wing (the hospital is chronically overcrowded anyway).

Patients with gangrene (due to vascular problems) who aren't in the room when you come to look at them...the nurse says they are out having a cigarette.

Patients who smoke through their trachs.

Lots and lots of fun....
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:12:17 PM EDT
I remember teachers smoking in the lounge and while we were having recess.

That was 20 years ago or so.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 5:21:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By bblake00:
I feel old...



Yes. I remember when America was free..........







Originally Posted By Chokey:
I didn't remember how to breath clean air in a restaurant until now though.





If it was such a fucking good idea, someone with capital would have opened up non smoking resturants a long time ago. They didnt. Why not?

So along come the do-gooders with their socialist agendas to prohibit business owners from doing as they see fit in their establishments.


I dont smoke, and I used to sit in the non-smoking sections, but I hate socialists far worse than smoke.







Well said.

TXL
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 7:24:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2005 7:26:40 PM EDT by Bumblebee_Bob]

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:

I'm more afraid of the mob mentality and social engineering behind the anti-smoking campaign than of any adverse health risks.




You are spot on.


But what do you really expect from the looney left? They are socialists who think Saddam was a great guy.







Yep. I'm not a smoker although I like an occasional cigar, but I am nowhere near being anti-smoking. Except when it comes to my teenage daughter. I doubt second-hand smoke is any worse for you than standing downtown in large US city and breathing the smog hanging in the air. The anti-smoking campaign really is all about "people control."

Oh BTW, I just finished watching the movie "Fatman and Little Boy." Everybody in that movie was puffing, everywhere! Hadn't realize how often you don't see that in movies anymore.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 8:40:30 PM EDT
Can anyone one remember the cigaretts in C-rations...... I can.

Roy
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 8:50:17 PM EDT
You guys are right !!
We need more smoking !! Everywhere and at all times !!
Screw those whiny bastards that don't want to breath your smoke !!
And make sure you throw your butts anywhere you damn well please !! The world just doesn't look right if there isn't a pile of butts in the parking lot where someone dumped their ashtray.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 8:56:21 PM EDT
I can't figure out why someone can't stop smoking long enough to eat a meal?

Remember the Whites Only signs everywhere? I old too.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 9:08:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
You guys are right !!
We need more smoking !! Everywhere and at all times !!
Screw those whiny bastards that don't want to breath your smoke !!
And make sure you throw your butts anywhere you damn well please !! The world just doesn't look right if there isn't a pile of butts in the parking lot where someone dumped their ashtray.




+1000000 and i'm serious!!!!!!!!!!!

Roy
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 9:10:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WayneD:
We had a smoking area in high school. If you had a letter from your parents you could smoke. Three forths of us didn't, but nobody checked.



Our high school had the same thing, We could smoke in the smoking area or outside. Some bus drivers let us smoke on the bus , especially if they smoked.
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 9:23:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/31/2005 9:27:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2005 9:34:08 PM EDT by red65]
I'm really glad you smokers have to walk outside for a smoke.

Why should I breathe that stink? It's bad enough I have to breath that cheap shitty perfume the fat ass secretaries slather themselves in.

I used to smoke. Had to go outside. It wasn't a big deal.

I never even smoked in my house because it smells bad the next day.

Sitting in the smoking section of a resturant is a joke. People smoke AS they shovel food in their mouth and then they stub out the cigarettes in their food. How appetizing.


One time I was at the sea shore and this idiot was smoking a cigar. I don't where he got that burning dog turd but it was actually nauseating.

Why should I think that smelling this stinking piece of shit is a good idea?

Link Posted: 12/31/2005 9:32:52 PM EDT
I remember when my Grand-daddy would open the window and smoke in his hospital room. They wouldn't let little kids in the hospital, but they would let the patients smoke. The last time I saw him alive was through the hospital window, I shook his hand before his surgery that ended up killing him. He could roll his own while he drove down dirt roads and field roads, steering with one knee.

I also remember when our principal would walk down the hallway smoking a cigar. The smell of his cigars would precede him. We actually had a smoking area for the students and faculty.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 5:45:46 AM EDT
I remember when you could smoke in a cancer hospital, M.D. Anderson in the Texas Medical Center. There were also elevator operators back then. A lady in a uniform sat on a little folding stool next to the door and operated a lever that controlled the cab.

There was a hospital cop that was a retired tanker, crusty old fart, that patrolled the parking lots at night with a german shephard named Sequoia. He was full of cool stories and loved to have someone to tell them to. He always pulled out his pouch of tobacco and papers and rolled one up at the begenning of each tale.
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:04:05 AM EDT
The problem was that smokers slowly (over about 100 years) quit respecting the social niceties and basically became assholes.

Used to be a "gentlemen' (which is a good thing to be, not something to sneer at) used to ask if his companions minded if he smoked, etc.

By the 1960s, every public place was dominated by smokers who just didn't give a shit if everyone else had to breathe that shit and smell like an ashtray.

Yes, people have a right to smoke, even if it kills them.

However, they have NO right to impose their smoking on others (as in "your freedom should not impose on mine").

They also have NO right to expect others (except family) to give a damn about them or spend a dime on them when the inevitable happens. You get lung cancer or whatever, fine. It was your choice to smoke and not one thin dime of my tax money should go to deal wiht the consequences of your smoking.

Nor should tobacco farmers get any sot of price support (which they do't anymore since the buyout).
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 6:10:13 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/1/2006 3:55:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ODA_564:
However, they have NO right to impose their smoking on others (as in "your freedom should not impose on mine").

They also have NO right to expect others (except family) to give a damn about them or spend a dime on them when the inevitable happens.



The .gov has NO right telling private businesses that they cant allow smoking, a perfectly legal activity. Hell for that matter the .gov has NO rights whatsoever. If you dont like smoking, raise capital and open a non smokin [fillintheblanl]




You get lung cancer or whatever, fine. It was your choice to smoke and not one thin dime of my tax money should go to deal wiht the consequences of your smoking.


Or motorcycles, skydiving, diving, mountain climbing, etc., etc., ad nauseaum, heavy on the nauseam.


Link Posted: 1/1/2006 4:20:58 PM EDT
I smoke when I drink, sometimes. Usually not more than 3 or 4 a night, though.

If a business requests smokers to smoke outside, fine. But when people complain about "I had to walk through smoke alley to get in" no way. Be thankful they aren't smoking inside. You only had to breathe it for 3 seconds, toughen up.

Before you know it, it will be a crime to smoke.
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