[ARCHIVED THREAD] - FAL or ACOG ? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/1/2005 5:33:06 AM EDT
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no I can't get both... I have a M16A4-gery that is dying for an ACOG , I also think I want a DSA FAL. I already have an M1A so that is a point against getting an FAL ACOGs are so damn expensive I am not sure they are worth it is the point against the ACOG. |
I think NCStar makes (made?) a knock-off of the ACOG and ended up getting sued over using the ACOG name. I'll see if I can find it. ETA: Looks like we're too late. Trijicon® Pursues Legal Action Against ACOG® Patent Violation (Wixom, MI) Trijicon, Inc., the originator and sole marketer of the ACOG® riflescope (Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight) has promised to pursue legal action if necessary against New Century Science & Technology, El Monte, California (aka NcSTAR) to prevent that company from marketing a replica of Trijicon's popular ACOG®. Trijicon served NcSTAR with a cease and desist letter during the 2005 SHOT Show in Las Vegas, where NcSTAR was offering its unauthorized replicas for sale and representing them as "an exact copy of Trijicon's ACOG® scope". A Trijicon representative obtained one of the NcSTAR copies during the trade show and it was confirmed by examination that it was, indeed, a virtual duplicate of the ACOG®. NcSTAR agreed to cease distribution of the ACOG® replica was instructed to advise its Chinese supplier to discontinue manufacturing the product. Trijicon will conduct periodic surveillance to ensure NcSTAR upholds its end of the cease and desist agreement. "We take great pride in our ability to produce high quality, unique optics", says Stephen Bindon, President of Trijicon, Inc. "We will vigorously pursue and prosecute any and all infringements of our intellectual properties." The Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight ACOG® was designed by Glyn A. J. Bindon, founder of Trijicon. The company has been awarded a U.S. patent and several international patents on the ACOG®. The company also believes that the distinctive design and appearance of the ACOG® should be protected from duplication under current U.S. trademark laws. Therefore, Trijicon maintains that the Chinese-made clone constituted both Patent Infringement and Product Configuration Infringement, and promised to pursue legal action if New Century Science & Technology, Inc. continues to offer the ACOG® knock-offs for sale. The Trijicon ACOG® is in wide use globally by military and police organizations as well as by discriminating sportsmen. Trijicon has issued a cautionary statement to its customers to beware of unauthorized ACOG® replicas which are neither endorsed nor warranted by Trijicon and have not been researched, tested nor manufactured according to Trijicon's stringent quality control standards. |
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Voted DSA FAL - they're very easy to like. Also, I 'think' that the market price on high end scopes is more likely to come down or flatten. Can't say the same thing about kick-ass EBRs. Trij is a site sponsor - here's the story on their legal action |
cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Replica-Trijicon-ACOG-TA01-NSN-4x32-Rifle-Scope_W0QQitemZ7201221397QQcategoryZ31714QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
well they have a point about suing over an exact copy, but threatening to sue anyone who makes anything even remotely similar? ... 
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that's pretty sweet, how are they quality wise? |
I've got an TA31F on a 16" carbine right now. It's way too much scope for the gun, even though it was designed for it. So, I'm having to mentally justify having ADCO build me some kind of whizz-bang upper to do the scope justice. With that in mind, my $900 ACOG might actually cost me closer to $2000 in the long run. Get the FAL and look for a used TA50. You'll be happier. |
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Lets put it this way: The rifle was issued with iron sights not with an ACOG. FAL's are also issued with iron sights, not with scopes. You need to be able to hit a target at 300 meters with iron sights, not with a scope of any type. Until you can hit a 300 meter target with iron sights and with boring regularity do not buy a scope.  EDIT: for spelling. |
300 with irons is quite managable for me .. I have done 600 yards with a Garand and an AR doing CMP.  I think the A4s are issues with ACOGs to some people 
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| Given ATFs new import ban will adversely effect the importation of FAL lowers, I would say FAL. I love mine. It shoots great and honestly, what would you do with the ACOG anyway? My AR is good to its effective range with Irons and I use a tacpoint for close in. Its not an ACOG, but it has served me well and more than meets my needs for a fraction of the price. |
Exactly. You beat me to it. In the vein of "incrementalism" I could see the leftists trying to ban "sniper equipment" next. Pssstt, folks, that means scopes. |
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FAL Lots of good reasons here. For me I like irons just fine. At 47 my eyes still do the job and it is what I have always used. Last year I got an ACOG(my first scope ever), really nice but I still like irons. Some people really like scopes and that is fine if that is your preference but as stated, scopes will be accessible for a long time yet. Unles you're in Kali, I guess. God that place is totally FUBAR'd. All they have is climate. Not a small thing but not really worth it either. I have 2 DSA FALs and they are great rifles. Got a PARA Congo I have to shoot one of these days. Sweet. |
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Think about that question logically for a minute. It is sad that you even have to ask it. Think of all the things you can get for $900.00 All the labor and materials that goes into those items. Now think of an ACOG. It's got to be one of the highest margin items in the world. Props to all of you who can justify one. It's a nice piece of hardware, but I would take the DSA just the same. |
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Hookers and Blow. To me the ACOG is way too much scope for an M4 type rifle. You would be better off with an AimPoint or a Holosite. Putting the ACOG on the M1A might make more sence though. As for the FAL, you already have the finest battle rifle in the world (Your M1A) so why spend the money on a rifle that can only play second fiddle to what you already have?  What I would do is either put the ACOG on the M1A, or save your money, let it grow, and find something else to buy with it - maybe the FN SCAR or P90/Steyer AugA3 if they actually do come out for civi sale. Other choices include more ammo, a few days or a week at Thunder Ranch/Gunsite/Frontsite/etc. , or even reloading stuff. -K |
As I recall, and I recently lived there and asked about this, NV scopes are "legal", but in order to buy one, you need some bureaucrat to sign a letter stating that you are in the agricultural business and you will only be using it for pest control or similar purposes. Or something like that. For the vast majority of Californians, they might as well be illegal. 
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What I don't get is why people don't just go to other states to buy shit like that. AZ and NV are right there and there are no 2 finer states to get guns and gear. If you must get a small shithole apt or a rundown trailer with 3 or 4 other like minded folks. You just need the address, Get a DL and voila. You'd even have a place to shoot in the latter instance. I've been to Kali and would never live there but if you have to surely there are ways to beat the system. |
I still think the FAL would be a fine choice but if not that think about an AK or a pair of them if you have a wife or kid. You could get a real nice Arsenal Inc AK for a lot less and buy a bunch of mags, and plenty of ammo for far less than an FAL. |
Incorrect. In Cali the legal term is sniperscope and it is specifically...
The vast majority of NV is passive, which I believe includes the AN/PVS-14 EDIT: They are very specifically identifying this old device...  ...but any scope using an infared illuminator would also count. |