Posted: 10/8/2005 10:09:26 AM EDT
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A few members got AR15.com listed on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ar15.com Some DUh types got it deleted as a "non noteworthy" website. But DUh.com has a Wikipedia page. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Underground And that page is hardly an accurate representation of the website which is devoted to extremism and terrorist sympathy. So I think it is time to return the favor and get another "non notable" website removed: Articles for Deletion Deletion Policy And as another member suggested in the Team Forum: Post an article for deletion page. Folks, lets be professional about it. Part of what killed out page was that is was half-assed in-jokes and seemed to be vanity. Am thinking of a nice, persuasive argument as to why DU should be deleted (since only mods can do it). Mostly due to vanity and non-notability It'll be discussed for a day or more, and if and when a mod deems it appropiate, they'll delete the page. Lets keep an eye on DU, they'll be sure to have a thread to defend it. |
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How to we get AR15.com re-instated? Also, can I get someone to walk me through what i need to do, im kind of retarded when it comes to wikipedia. You know what, on second though, why don't i just re-edit the DU page so it says it's a web site dedicated to trans-gendered support groups? |
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Lets NOT vandalize. The wiki system is pretty effective at reverting vandalism, and a vandalism effort at the same time that it's up for deletion tips them off that there's a concerted effort here. I would keep the reinstate and delete efforts SEPARATE. Again, we're trying to win over supposedly neutral mods, so turning it into an us vs them spat between two sites will only hurt our efforts. |
| I'm working on the reinstatement right now; I think that's more likely than getting the deletion to stick. Bounce me anything we've had with the media quoting us. I'd really love a link or something to the german film crew that was at bulletfest or one of hte other shoots. |
Here is the criteia which I do believe we have 2 out of 3. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Websites "... an article discussing a website should be able to demonstrate that the website has had some impact on people beyond its core user base ..." "A website's impact can be demonstrated by meeting one or more of the following criteria: 1. Having an Alexa ranking of 10,000 or better 2. Having been the subject of national or international media attention within the last 2 years 3. Having a forum with 5,000 or more apparently unique members" |
www.ar15.com/forums/ Look at the bottom of the page. Over 82K registered users, minus a few thousand troll accounts. |
I'm going to round up some of the media articles, and then ask Hoary to reconsider. I really can't blame him, considering what a jevenile clusterf**k our old page was. Reminds me of my undergrad friends posting fake theorems on wiki for laughs. |
8.5 million replies, I imagine since the last server upgrade. Wonder if the goat could fill us in on what time frame that 8.5 million covers. |
remember that poll that was skewed by arfcommers hot linking to it? They published an article mentioning arfcom by name and that being the reason they wouldn't publish the poll's results. can't remembet the source, but it was some liberal media out of CA, i believe. |
I haven't heard of this, but I would love a link or more info. |
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Here is one recent one. link to page 2 of the artical. Kilgore picks up NRA support By Christina Bellantoni THE WASHINGTON TIMES October 7, 2005 The Kilgore campaign's comments also sparked nearly 300 angry posts on two pro-gun Web sites, Packing.org and AR15.com. The Times has spoken with a dozen VCDL members from around the state -- all Republicans or self-described "conservatives" -- who said they won't vote for Mr. Kilgore this year. |
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hoary#Ar15.com Posted an argument for why we should be included. Let me know any additions you'd like to make. |
Don't see it just this, is that what your refering to?
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it may take a bit for the change to propagate through their system; i see the following at the bottom of Hoary's talk page:
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Since they also say "... an article discussing a website should be able to demonstrate that the website has had some impact on people beyond its core user base ..." i'd mention the Katrina relief efforts of several of our members, BayEagle IIRC was one. I'd alsomention the three or four hero rifles that were done, as at the time they were done the recipiants were not members of this community to my knowledge. And the Adopt a Platoon that was done..... I just saw that it was upated and I can see yer post on there. |
This site should be noted for the quotes "this thread is worthless without pics" or "stick it in her pooper"...anything else is just gravy... 
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I have to agree. I think that we would have a better chance if we just recreated under the ARFCOM name. However, we should also have ar15.com in the wiki system and have it redirect to arfcom. |
arfcom is famous!!!
www.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=48258&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 hot linked just to piss them off. |
It doesn't bother you if they make everyone who disagrees with them disappear from public record? Would you stand by idly while the Yellow Pages de-listed all gun stores, shooting ranges, and gunsmiths? Jim |
Talk pages, you can opine all you want (just no vandalism of other ppl;s entries). Up top, next to the article tab, there's a discussion tab. |
Oh, they already control the MSM, so I guess some people think it's okay if they control opinion on the Internet too.
For all you idjits that always ask why we don't like hotlinking to DUh or online polls, this is why.
What's to "understand", you fucktards? You either support the right to keep and bear arms without stupid restrictions or you don't. Their pleas for "understanding" sound more like libtard pleas for "doing it for the children." 
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Update: The mod who locked it think's its reasonable to ask for an undelete, there' a whole procedure for that:
I'll have a mockup sometime soon. What you guys can do is come up with more arguments/citings/stats for why arfcom is a notable encyclopedic entry. |
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I'll put up the vote for undeletion tommorow or monday after i've had some time to update my argument and the mockup page. The mockup page is at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mmx1%5Csandbox Edit as you see fit, but be professional. Something to use as a guideline: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Republic |
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That site is very interesting. I'm amazed that they allow ANYONE to edit ANYTHING on there. You would think that 'vandalism' would be so rampant that it would deteriorate it's value. I don't get it just yet but I plan on exploring it a bit. And to echo someone elses post above mine... I don't think we should focus any attention onto DU. We should be doing what we can to re-establish AR15.com on Wikipedia as the Premier Online Source for Firearms Related News, Information, and Open Discussion. Unfortunately, I truly believe that some overzealous people here on our site could potentially fuck things up for us there. This is no offense to any particular members here, however I find that some of our most vocal members are not the most articulte, and some of our more articulate members are not the most PC or shall I say... lack social sofistication. I almost think that this issue is best left in the hands of the site owners / administrators since if their smart enough to run and operate this site, they obviously know what their doing, and can best articulate the values of AR15.com. ETA: Thanks to whoever is undertaking this great idea of having AR15.com relisted. I'd like to add that it should be duly noted that we have a very active Women Shooters Forum, Survial Forum, and the like which most commonly reflect the views of midway to conservative people. Let me offer that I'm very good at writing persuasive letters/articles/etc. and would love to assist in creating the AR15.com listing, but I will only do so if asked. I would work very hard at collaborating as much information as I can about everything to do with this site, and I will do so by being resourcefull and getting the facts from the right people. It should be very important for this to not contain personal references, and should be a very objective view. If asked to, I will create such a mindblowing listing that would even have liberal leaning to the right. |
| Hey, you've got my permission. Wiki works pretty well and there's a busy group looking for vandals and the such. Just keep in mind it's an encyclopedia and the objective is a neutral point of view .. and the DU page, for example, isn't. The whole thing needs lots of work but is overall pretty useful. |
I say we hot-link and stuff their poll EVERY WEEK, regardless of the topic. Put a sticky in GD and update the poll question every week, with whatever answer we should give for the poll. It isn't vote cheating if the votes are mostly from unique users. I think the political term is "getting the base out." 
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Sounds like fun! The current poll is "Should paroled murderers be buried at Arlington? Right now it's running at over 70% No. Sounds like the right answer to me. |
Thanks. I'm not looking for permission though. I'd like to work with the owners and site admins to create a valuable source of information that will improve the image of this site from an outsiders perspective. I think I can really do it, but I wouldn't do it without complete cooperation from the site owners/admins. This is THEIR site. All I need are some facts and general information. The rest I can do on my onw I could sell this website to anyone... meaning... I'm very good at painting pictures of perception and persuading people's interest in subjects. This would be a project I'd be honored to have. I'll leave this out here for now. I can be contacted by Email or IM if necessary. If so, I'll make AR15.com look like the website every gun owner would be proud to be a member of. |
So do we just go to the disscusion page and say something or is there a different page to vote for undeletion? |
I updated Wikipedia's entry for Crown Vics with a lot of neat info and most of them (pics included) were removed due to some BS reasons. I think the asshats that moderator/run Wikipedia know nothing of the topic at hand and just administer their power like typical internet tough guys with admin power.  I.e. say 1 bad word on multiplayer games like BF2 or Ravenshield and you get kicked. |
Looks good. Although I'd advise that you probably want to ask Goatboy for permission to use the AR15.com logo on the Wikipedia page. |
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wikipedia is typical of all forms of communism -- there is a core group of elite who are perpetually above the masses who control and orchestrate the appearance of community. wikipedia is run by a bunch of elitists who neither care about the topic at hand, know about the topic at hand, or are interested in bonafide contribution from people who do know about the topic at hand. I've experienced it firsthand with regard to other topics. |
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BTW DU isn't even in the top 100,000 and isn't ranked (unlike AR15.com). www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=democratunderground.com Shok |