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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:25:02 PM EDT
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We thought the same ............. Unfortunetly the area hit was indeed a corrupt one, police officers themselves in the area took part in the chaos....... Heck your post sounds like you grew up as oneof the ill prepared  in New Orleans.....
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:25:10 PM EDT
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Son, don't flaunt your ignorance. When we were all in our twenties and thirties most if us did the same. Got drunk, chased the pie. We are older now. Married and have kids and grand kids, a mortgage. Our priorities have changed. Is not all about ourselves now, it's about the ones we love. I would rather be branded a kook, than to be caught unprepared and watch a loved one suffer or die. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:25:15 PM EDT
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I thought that before BUT If everyone else is NOT prepared.....how can they help YOU? |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:26:21 PM EDT
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OK, here's another .02 FRN.
Do you have tears well up when you hear Taps? Hear the National Anthem? Or lower the Flag when one of your own dies? Watch an USAF flight team perform the 'Missing Man' formation? Pop buttons when the local VFW marches by? Or wonder what you father and grandfather must have endured as you find their medals and military memorabilia after they have met their heavenly Commander-in-Chief? Didn't think so. Just call it the AMERICAN WAY! |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:26:26 PM EDT
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That is a strange "hobby" you have, playing with your "home rambo" kit  I shouldn't be doing it in the first place? If I am attacked by some lowlife how can I predict when\where\what\why\how? (or know how much ammo or backup I need?) |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:28:01 PM EDT
[#6]
AMEN |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:29:07 PM EDT
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true very true...but biggest does not mean "EASIEST"....my Governments imigration problem is going to be the end of us....we are harbouring these fucking terrorists and even paying for their houses while they plot against us......  I wish you guys well Taffy One of us is due another bloody nose. 
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:29:36 PM EDT
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Don't you guys come from a long line of looters?  Civilization is a veneer that is easily stripped away. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:31:16 PM EDT
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Plus you never know when them sneaky Commanches are gonna start in again... |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:33:24 PM EDT
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Before the big wind I would have said the same thing. Matter of fact I still have a real hard time believing that the people of LA, MS, ect.. did the things that they did. Not the U.S.'s finest hour. I hope that when TSHTF everyone in my area will help their fellow man, but I'm backing that up with my own plans on being prepaired. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:33:53 PM EDT
[#11]
So that one day we can take over Canada!
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:35:36 PM EDT
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You have the same culture subset in your county Finn. But with nearly 300 million Americans our subset is much larger and therefore seems more vocal.
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:35:38 PM EDT
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You best believe it !  
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:36:58 PM EDT
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Hmm I'll hold my tongue out of respect. As I am a respectfull man. I lost 5 relatives in WW1 and 2 in WW2. My Grandfather saw out all of WW2 in the RAF and had a full military Funeral even though he'd been out of the service nearly 25 years(Rare) My Uncle had a three ship Tornado Flyby at his funeral. My father still alive served in Aden and the Falklands.The family treasures the medals and the sacrifices of our ancestors so please don't think you are alone in your pride..... Humble Taffy |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:39:18 PM EDT
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 This person didn't prepare for a worst case scenario.  Neither did this one.  Neither of these women did. You can either just "hope for the best" or you can do what is necessary to improve your chances. As for myself, I'm not comfortable with just crossing my fingers and rolling the dice. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:41:53 PM EDT
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There are six million Jews who would probably disagree with you. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:42:37 PM EDT
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We Americans live in a violent country, that is the probably most hated in the world. We have had home invasion robberies here that could only be stopped with heavy firepower. We have government agencies that stage armed attacks against American citizens. We have terrorists living in our country.
More importantly though, we know the value of being armed and prepared. Our freedom was earned by armed citizens. Our security was maintained by armed citizens. The Japanese, with all of their military power, refused to attempt an invasion here. The Soviets never even pretended that they wanted to set foot on our country because, unlike Finland evidently, we are not an easy target. We are prepared because we value what we have, and we are smart enough to use the good times to get ready for the bad. All the blondes in the world won't save you when everything goes to shit. We Americans are prepared because we don't fuck around. We are the most powerful country in the world, and it's not because we don't know how to handle ourselves. In fact, it is likely because we handle ourselves better than you. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:43:28 PM EDT
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I'm sure the people in Indonesia and our Gulf Coast, Pompei, Even the base of Pinatubo in the Philipines and 100's of other situations thought nothing bad would ever happen either.
I prepare because i know the state of emergency services in my area because i am part of them, and if you thought Louisiana was bad well then "hey y'all watch us!" The Bible tells me bad things will happen, described in several books of the old and new testament. The news tells me bad things happen every night. I've seen bad things happen with my own eyes! But one things for sure it's beter to have it if something does go down than to look like those pathetic people at the civic center in New Orleans on their fourth day with out water etc. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:43:36 PM EDT
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I suspect you still have a comparatively homogenous society... take a look at what is happening in Sweden (Lund for example) where they are experiencing a large influx of immigrants (and rise in crime...) That sets the stage for a tenuous relationship between neighbors, and societal fractures that occur along familial lines (should something bad happen) - the situation is (I am told) worse in Germany and other countries (UK, France, etc.) - differences are readily capitalized on in a bad situation, and instead of "Finns pulling together" you might experience "Finns defending against displaced immigrants" This country has a rather unique position, with quite possibly the greatest diversity of backgrounds for citizens (and illegal aliens) and the position as the most visible power on the planet. Please do not take this as arrogance, but when you are the only superpower on the planet, you tend to draw fire (as witnessed 4 years ago). That, coupled with a sizeable land mass, subject to a variety of natural disasters (hurricanes, earthquakes, ice storms and so on) makes the likelihood of upheaval a distinct possibility. So we plan for the unexpected, and hope for the best. (actually, you have an advantage being out of the limelight, I don't think Finland is on anyone's target list - enjoy the tranquility) |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:55:14 PM EDT
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Yes - naivitee is MUCH better than being prepared and having a plan. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:56:54 PM EDT
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Oh! and BTW, FlyingFynn, I live in Pennsylvania and we have flooding quite often in low areas, my town used to flood every spring until a flood control dam was built up river!
In 1972 Hurricane Agnes came to Pennsylvania( We are a Landlocked State, the tropical depression stayed for a week and rained constantly, when the sun finally shined almost 50% of Pennsylvania was under water. Bad things happen and if you wait till the last minute to get your supplies you will be competing with thousands of others to find them. We don't compare our stuff to gloat, we do it to get or give ideas to each other for our kits. In this country most people would band together to help each other also but there will always be the scum of the earth who will just use it to become predators on their fellow man. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 3:58:15 PM EDT
[#22]
Yeah - the Finnish-speaking Finns really LOVE the Swedish-speaking Finns. NOT !!! 
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:02:09 PM EDT
[#23]
BECAUSE I CAN
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:03:02 PM EDT
[#24]
I'll bet the smaller group has the "Finnish Jesse Jackson" (or is that Jeessee Jaacksoon) to champion the rights of oppressed Finns. I can almost hear them marching on Helsinki, chanting, "No Nokia's, No Peace..." |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:03:30 PM EDT
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Sir Taffy223, My response was not directed to you nor your fellow countrymen. I'm not sure that our society would survive as your ancestors did during WWI and II. I was directing my sentiments to a socialist who has no or little idea of the American mentality. Finnish history is rich with heroic and praisable accomplishments. But how many nations' asses did they save? No, I'm not bragging or even minimizing their efforts. It's just that we get tired of the crap tossed at us. I and my fellow military contempories got the shit-end of the Viet Nam stick. Now we have to listen to the same whining we heard fourty (Gawd, has it been that long?) years ago. I admire you input and appreciate your refreshing British viewpoint. It's not often we hear much more than the BBC over here!  |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:05:26 PM EDT
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Didn't Finns coin the "molotov cocktail" after they used it on the commies? Sry for going more off topic....
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:11:03 PM EDT
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I'm a security guard. I have several dozen seperate emergency procedures that I have to know and understand and be ready to use. In most emergencies, you have other people just standing around, not knowing what to do. A perfect example is where you come upon somebody choking. The first responder starts assigning duties to the bystanders. One guy grabs the 1st aid kit. One guy calls 911. One guy goes and waits for the ambulance. One guy goes and grabs other people he knows have medical training. ETC. Now, imagine if even one of those bystanders already understood the roles that people need to take in order to efficiently handle an emergency? He'd already be moving to do that duty without requiring an explanation or a command. That saves the first responder crucial seconds that he now can devote to the medical care of the patient. Also, he won't screw it up because he has a full understanding of what he needs to do, instead of trying to comprehend instructions on the fly. You said above that "everybody would be helping the fellow man". Exactly! If you have met your needs (food, water, shelter and medical), then you have the physical and mental ability to assist others. I'll put it even simpler. If you can't take care of yourself, you're a burden on the infrastructure. If you can take care of yourself, you are not a burden, because you aren't demanding any resources from rescuers. If you can take care of others, then you are reinforcing the social structure by being the rescuer. But before you're a rescuer, you have to look after yourself. You have to understand your handful of basic needs and thoroughly understand what you can do for them and the equipment, items and devices you can use for them. We constantly read of people getting stranded in snowstorms with nothing but a cellular phone. The rescuers got there just before the victim was about to freeze to death. Some dayhikers in Britain decided it was a good idea to climb a mountain without so much as carrying water or a water filter. But they had a cell phone! Guess what that means? They got rescued, but they presented a burden to the infrastructure. Should I mention they got surprised by a freak snowstorm that could have killed them if they had been up there all night? Nobody wants to be a burden - EVER. It really isn't more complex than that. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:11:16 PM EDT
[#28]
If you lived this close to Canada you'd be shit-scared too! They're a warrior type people the like of which you've never seen in Europe!
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:14:35 PM EDT
[#29]
Because the safety of my loved ones is very important to me. I'd rather be overprepared for an emergency be it civil unrest, hurricanes etc; and be called paranoid than relying on a third party for our safety. Like many have used as an example- New Orleans
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:21:51 PM EDT
[#30]
Thank you for your kind words. Like I posted initialy I dont think this threads originator realised the tone of his question. It looked to me to be innocently phrased inappropriatley. Regardless of which country in the EU we are from I think we all need to stick together. You and I. It is the only way we will defeat the savages. United. You had Vietnam We had N.Ireland We both must fight Jihad Savages We stand a better job doing it together. Yes? Taffy |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:27:23 PM EDT
[#31]
I am also confident that my fellow man will help me, at gunpoint. 
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:27:41 PM EDT
[#32]
Cultural difference for sure. [ Son, are you high? ]
TFF, if you have a home Rambo kit then you are probably borderline (closet) ghey. Rambo is a joke in Amerika. The character was played by draft dodger/card burner. Making reference to that is next to treason. Get your fact straight.....or just be better prepared
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:30:40 PM EDT
[#33]
Noooooooo... Invisible Ninja Robots. They're everywhere dude. Just waiting for the order. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:32:05 PM EDT
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Finns. The more things change, the more they stay the same. See, my friend, we Americans have stood for something, and throughout the history of our Nation, have pissed some people off. We didn't just "go along to get along" with Hitler, (like you did, with at least 2300 finnish Jews marked for destruction, even if you only gave in and killed 11) we stomped his ass into oblivion. Stalin invaded your land around 1939-40 - maybe if your people had better "doomsday kits" you would not have been made lick Stalin's boots. If you can deal with slavery, then you deserve it. As for me, I will prepare myself, and perhaps my day will come, but I will live a free man or die. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:34:06 PM EDT
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eh--I was in Finland last summer, and I did see a few Islamic immigrants. It was pretty tame overall, though. A few wannabe heavy metal kids. The jewelry stores in downtown Helsinki didn't bother to take the bling out of the shop windows at night. You've got entirely too many vowels in the Suomi language, btw. Ship excess vowels to the Balkans, where the seem to be in short supply. Anyway, you'd be surprised about a lot of things in America. You're probably not going to get robbed in North Dakota, but you can very well be housebound and without power for a few days in a blizzard. I live in an earthquake zone, and it's pretty likely that sometime in the next 20-30 years a Big One will knock out roads and bridges for days on end. As for the guns, I own them because I like them, plus I think it's my duty as a citizen. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:34:58 PM EDT
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My kit came in handy during the Hurricane. I had guns,ammo, food and fuel. Trust me the sheep became very flaky.
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:37:22 PM EDT
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Why thank you! Actually with the Katrina and Rita there were 4 groups of people. 1) Grabbed their stuff and went elsewhere. This implies being prepared to bug out. Being able to evacuate with the important stuff, and be self sufficient for 3-7 days was this group. 2) Bunkered in. These are the folks that stayed home, and defended them against looters. Several areas in New Orleans, and Texas are examples of these. They had generators, food, water, firearms etc and frankly were in place to help their neighbours. 3) Clueless. These were the folks that didn't evacuate when they should have, and weren't prepared to be self sufficient for 3-5 days. Lots of the photos of New Orleans around the Superdome and convention center, and those that had to be rescued from their homes were these folks. 4) The criminals. These folks either stuck around, or ran back to the areas as soon as the storm passed. They were the looters. The police were shooting/arrresting/disarming these folks. The looters were also being stopped by group 2 above. I am not in group 4, and refuse to be in group 3. Being prepared allows me to be in group 1 or 2 as needed. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:37:29 PM EDT
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Its all Bush's fault! |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:38:51 PM EDT
[#39]
Not only yes, but hell yes! If you ever find your British bum in the Tampa Bay (Florida) area, look me up and I'll buy the Finlandia vodka.
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:39:32 PM EDT
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The guys with the fancy SHTF guns have those guns because they simply want them.
The whole SHTF concept is just an excuse to buy more guns. Nothing wrong with that, but let's be honest about it. Suppose a guy has a 870 pump shotgun in his hands and a 38 snubbie on his hip. Some of the guys on this website would say that the guy was practically unarmed. LOL |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:41:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:48:05 PM EDT
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It's a deal....I'll bring the Cola.... Do I bring my infidel t-shirt? Taffy |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 4:58:24 PM EDT
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Europe seems to be full of grasshoppers.
It'll be fun watching them scurry about fromt he safety of my ant hill. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 5:02:20 PM EDT
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The Ant hill is a false haven LHD.......  Taffy |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 5:03:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2005 5:07:31 PM EDT
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Who? what? where? when? Me  naaaaaa |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 5:16:16 PM EDT
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Why not. I'll wear my Fidel C-shirt! Should TheFlyingFinn wear a Che shirt?  (We sure hi-jacked this thread, didn't we?) (I'm outta here...) |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 5:19:17 PM EDT
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ibtl
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Posted: 9/30/2005 5:26:16 PM EDT
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Why you americans always prepare for the "worst case scenario????
We, or at least most of us, don't do anything halfway. Extreme sports, for example. American Football vs. Soccer (or what the rest of the world calls "Football"). Even our Space Shuttle throttles up to 104%. Hah! You asked what about the guys with the Bug Out Bags... well, in the case of Hurricane Katrina, or any other bad situation, they are among the first to "bug out" (leave). They are prepared. Their route is planned, their secondary route is planned. I remind you that for Katrina 99% of the people left BEFORE the hurricane hit. It was only the ill, the sheep, and criminals that stayed behind. But most left before. There is a country not far from Finland, you know... Norway. They had a (Prime Minister? President?) named John Quisling. He was secretly a Nazi and laid the foundation for a successful invasion by German troops. Due to the laws he helped ram through, all guns had to be kept at hunting club armories. The troops merely had to secure those armories. So, the worst can happen, and it can happen quickly... even in a little country no one thinks would be important. (Norway had "heavy water", which was important for the Nazis nuclear bomb experiments) To Americans, anything worth doing is worth going to extremes to do. It works for us. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 5:27:25 PM EDT
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I only asked.....  I wear it here with pride. Hi-jack? Bye-Jack! Taffy |
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