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Posted: 9/30/2005 6:40:12 AM EDT
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Watch that trigger!!! I'm assuming that's your friend, not you... |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 6:42:37 AM EDT
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Not quite right. All 'gun parts' are controlled, to varying degrees, and the list is shorter than the corresponding list of 'gun parts' as issued by the State Dept when it comes to export licencing. We can have rifles (if the barrel is 12"+) with sound moderators no problems (as long as you are not prohibited (ie criminal etc), but most people believe the blinkered view given out by the popular press that the UK shooting scene is dead/prohibited/not allowed etc. If your guy wants to shoot in the UK (and even 50cal, 20mm + are OK if you can find a range suitable) then all he has to do is make a serious search and there'll be any number of clubs within a few mile of his home town (where ever in the UK he lives). Most clubs would welcome 'new-blood' with open arms (and those that don't aren't worth joining!). Matt |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 6:48:28 AM EDT
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oops, double post. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 6:57:19 AM EDT
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terrible trigger discipline
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Posted: 9/30/2005 6:57:20 AM EDT
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No shit.. That is nit picking, letter of the law, stereotypical lawyer crap. So some limey comes to the states and shoots some guns at a range. No harm, no foul. Nothing like destroying the spirit of something by shackling it in rigidity of trifleness.  PS. sorry for bad grammer.  |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 7:06:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2005 7:36:29 AM EDT
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One of my brothers was over from the UK the beginning of September, he arrived September 3rd at about 10.48pm. We got back to my place and ran him through the safe handling of firearms, had him down at Millers the next day with a few Ohio ARFcom members. He had a good time and looks to be out here in a couple of years.
I moved over here in 96 and a brother that lives in Indiana came out here in 98. I'm guessing your buddy is the guy on the right with his finger on the trigger? |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 7:56:37 AM EDT
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I am the one behind the camera and I lectured on trigger discipline many times last night I just couldn't get ti through their head I personally made sure that all weapons were empty before the last pic. I shot all of the remaining rounds.
 Actually this was both of those guys first time handling firearms. As well as the cute chick, she is brittish as well. The smaller girl that is. She was a real trooper and recoil junky. 
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Posted: 9/30/2005 8:28:35 AM EDT
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Forget the finger on the trigger, if that is a guy he needs a haircut.....
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Posted: 9/30/2005 8:34:57 AM EDT
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Neil???????  |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 8:40:48 AM EDT
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Maybe no-one teaches themm to keep their fingers off the trigger at the Airsoft club
Mark |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 8:48:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2005 8:53:39 AM EDT
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I looked up the law. It says: (2) Exceptions.— Subsections (d)(5)(B), (g)(5)(B), and (s)(3)(B)(v)(II) do not apply to any alien who has been lawfully admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, if that alien is— (A) admitted to the United States for lawful hunting or sporting purposes or is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States; (B) an official representative of a foreign government who is— (i) accredited to the United States Government or the Government’s mission to an international organization having its headquarters in the United States; or (ii) en route to or from another country to which that alien is accredited; (C) an official of a foreign government or a distinguished foreign visitor who has been so designated by the Department of State; or (D) a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business. So, yes, you are right - looks like a cheap FL hunting license is all that is required. Thanks - you saved me some money
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Posted: 9/30/2005 8:56:53 AM EDT
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they can buy firearms there, I walked into a gun store there a few years ago, they also had suppressors there too. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 9:01:19 AM EDT
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Last time I came over I had to do the hunting license thing, even though I was bringing my own rifle and had an official invite to a recognised competition.
When I sent the application to the State Dept. along with a copy of the invite and program, they initially rejected it and told me I needed a hunting license. The Florida one can be had online, along with the Maine one, and that allowed me to hunt Bear .All gun laws are daft Mark |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 9:07:56 AM EDT
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I REALLY object to your insinuation of being a snitch. Keep you mindless comments to yourself. As for the law - go read it. It does apply. It is based upon exactly the same section that makes it illegal for a convicted felon to possess agun - and if you check case law, just having a single unfired cartrige in his posession is enouh to convict a felon of possession - the same would apply to a non resident alien, and the same penalties would apply to the person who provided that cartrige as would apply if he provided it to a convicted felon. The fact that it has not so far been applied doesn't make it any the less the law - do you want to be the first test case? The reason for bringing this up is so that anyone that wants to can take the simple peventative measure of buying a hunting license -- then there is no problem. That law is ABSOLUTELY NOT about people bringing their own firearms into the country -- ]must go look for some random thread about the US turing into a country of know-it-alls who actually don't know shit.....] ------------- US Code, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 44, Section 922 Otherwise know as the Gun Control Act -- amended in 1998 to include several new provisions, including the criminalization of non-immigrant aliens in posession of firearms. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 9:09:23 AM EDT
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Hey UK guys, out of curiousity how much would a typical M4gery cost over there? Are the weapons more expensive or is the licensing, just trying to get some idea.
I come to the UK 2-3 times a year and had no idea that you guys could own modern, functional AR type rifles. Most of the folks I work with over there (UK citizens) are shocked that I own firearms so forgive us on this side of the Atlantic from being a little surprised also. Next time I'm over it'd be cool to meet up with some of y'all. -Observer |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 9:13:32 AM EDT
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Just because you think so doesn't make it so. Continue along your path of ignorance if you wish, but don't drag others into prision with you. I suspect your "no harm, no foul" defense might get a day knocked off your (10 year) sentence for brightening up the judges day. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 9:14:23 AM EDT
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They cost about the same in ££ that they cost in $$.
Buying stuff from then US is good at the moment with the exchange rate, but by the time you add shipping and duty, it works out about the same. A std M4gery type rifle is about £850 Mark ps, if you do come over....don't forget to bring that wife of yours  Mark |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 9:14:59 AM EDT
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Remember that they are NOT fully functional. The gas system is removed - they are single shot only. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 9:16:16 AM EDT
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Yep, the world is full of stupid gun laws mark |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 9:21:57 AM EDT
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My point is though it is against the letter of the law, the law is wrong.  And why is it everything most people here disagree they like to start insulting the one they disagree with. Just make counter-point and be done. Flinging poo is for monkeys (the opening volley anyways )
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Posted: 9/30/2005 9:29:25 AM EDT
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Of course it works the other way too.
Visitors can't just come to Britain and borrow a firearm either. You need a visitors permit. (easy to get though) You have to be hunting or shooting competitively Mark |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 9:35:57 AM EDT
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Erm... gotta teach trigger finger discipline (first pic)
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Posted: 9/30/2005 9:37:43 AM EDT
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Damn. That makes me smile. Keep up the good work! |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 10:21:38 AM EDT
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I'm obviously not a lawyer, but from looking at some legal dictionaries I don't think this law applies in this case at all. The key seems to be the definition of "possession". The law says "prohibited from possessing or receiving (purchasing) firearms". Receiving is clearly defined as purchasing, not simply "being handed a gun by it's legal owner". Possession in the legal dictionaries is defined as direct physical custody, care, and control of property. The alien is not in actual care, custody or real control of the firearm, as the owner is maintaining all of those while observing the alien fire it in his direct presence. Essentially, as long as the owner is with the alien and maintaing control over the gun, the gun is in the care of the owner. To my understanding, this is why the gun rental places can do what they do in renting pistols without background checks- the gun is always in the actual control of the legal owners, not of the shooter. Same for allowing your kid to shoot a gun he's legally too young to own, as long as he's with you it's OK because the gun is in your actual control.
Also, looks like they all had fun! I love taking out first time shooters. .45/70s and .44 mags all around! |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 10:29:18 AM EDT
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waiting for the botd
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Posted: 9/30/2005 10:42:31 AM EDT
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Not even the FL hunting license is required. Article 2, section A: "admitted to the United States for lawful hunting or sporting purposes or is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States; " Sporting purposes, in the sentence above, is an option seperate from hunting and seperate from having a hunting license. Target shooting is an example of a sporting purpose other than hunting. "The Second Amendment is not about duck hunting." |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 10:48:31 AM EDT
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There's a ton of people here in the US that think you need a permit to own a gun and that full-autos are illegal. People with these types of misconceptions need someone to literally take them by the hand and introduce them to the available resources. We call this "mentoring". Would one of you kind British gentlemen care to email SigSaurP228 and get contact info for these young people? They sound like they could use a hand. |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 11:00:59 AM EDT
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That caught my eye immediately . Isnt that dude in Hanson? |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 11:04:28 AM EDT
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When my back aint throbbing like a damn toothache,I work part time in a gunstore to support my gun habit.A few years ago(actually like 6yrs ago I think) Pres Bubba Clinton and the prime minister of Isreal and PM of syria had a sitdown on the sheperd college near here.The secret service came into the store and told us we could sell ammo to the isreal body guards and sell them guns if we got state department approval(we looked into it,it would have been more of a headache than money we would have made.Shame too,they were facinated with mossburg 835 shotties in 12 ga 3 1/2 mag)but under no terms could we even let someone from the syrian contingent so much as handle a firearm.
PS,any of my brothers from another mother that live across the atlantic ocean make it to my neck of the woods( D.C. metro area) shoot me a PM,I will take you to the range I am a member of and let you shoot anything I own. 
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Posted: 9/30/2005 11:05:56 AM EDT
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Me too. Why we need a BOTD warning for range trip pics that just incidentally show fully clothed women is beyond me. That says something... |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 11:16:26 AM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 12:01:00 PM EDT
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All the UK shooters in the UK forum are a great bunch of guys and this "mentoring " is not out of the question. I think we are all Team members now. I tjust depends on where he lives. If he posted in the UK forum part of the site he'd get all the help he could ask for. He'd have the laws pointed out to him and the nearest gun club worthy of joining. I'd think there would only be one stipulation That dude is gonna need to have a haircut  Cheers Taffy |
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Posted: 9/30/2005 7:14:10 PM EDT
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There is no BOTD in this thread, to suggest that there is makes you a thread whore.
 Please remove the BOTD from the topic line as there is a certain amount of BOTD threads that can exist on the site at any one time, and this thread is keeping some real eye candy from being posted on another thread. Temporary BOTD nazi
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Posted: 9/30/2005 7:16:06 PM EDT
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Yup, i've been waiting for the BOTD material.
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Posted: 10/1/2005 12:13:50 AM EDT
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done |
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Posted: 10/2/2005 1:37:53 AM EDT
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Fixed it for ya Mark |
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Posted: 10/2/2005 1:40:19 AM EDT
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ok where is the botd?
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Posted: 10/2/2005 2:17:56 AM EDT
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No PPK to be found?
Could of had him do the Bond, James Bond line
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Posted: 10/2/2005 3:32:30 AM EDT
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??????????? |
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