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Posted: 9/11/2005 4:46:39 PM EDT

[#1]

I know what is responsible for the decline of America's freedoms and values because I was there when it started. I graduated from college with a degree in political science in 1969. I saw first hand the mindset of the Marxists(aka liberals) that infested the poli sci department, both professors and undergraduates. There were Weathermen, SDS, communists, socialists, anarchists, nihilists; you name it. I sat in the background and kept my mouth shut and my ears open and what I heard would raise the hair on the back of your neck. At the time I dismissed their rhetoric as youthful naivete fueled by drugs and misinformation.

Not all of us Baby Boomers were long-haired, maggot infested, red-diaper doper babies. I enlisted in the Marine Corps delayed-entry program my senior year and went off to serve my country 10October1969. In the meantime, the enemy within began thier infiltration and then domination of the educational system, mass media and political infrastructure. I was too busy with graduate school, family and my career to notice what they were up to. I should have remembered that the left thinks in terms of decades, not years, and they never, never give up or lose sight of thier ultimate goal.

Do you really think that the destruction of the family was a haphazard event that appeared overnight? The welfare state creates and encourages fatherless homes. The liberals seek to create a condition of in loco parentis, whereby the State becomes the parents, the teachers, the care-givers. The liberals want a docile, malleable population that is totally dependent on them.
It is this dependency from which they draw their power. The ultimate liberal wet dream is a liberal fascist police state. The only thing standing in their way are strong families, the 2nd Amendment and those of us who are strong enough to tell the truth and draw a line in the sand. Semper Fi.

Posted: 9/11/2005 4:58:38 PM EDT

[#2]

You and I have a fair amount in common I suspect.

Quoted:
I know what is responsible for the decline of America's freedoms and values because I was there when it started. I graduated from college with a degree in political science in 1969. I saw first hand the mindset of the Marxists(aka liberals) that infested the poli sci department, both professors and undergraduates. There were Weathermen, SDS, communists, socialists, anarchists, nihilists; you name it. I sat in the background and kept my mouth shut and my ears open and what I heard would raise the hair on the back of your neck. At the time I dismissed their rhetoric as youthful naivete fueled by drugs and misinformation.

Not all of us Baby Boomers were long-haired, maggot infested, red-diaper doper babies. I enlisted in the Marine Corps delayed-entry program my senior year and went off to serve my country 10October1969. In the meantime, the enemy within began thier infiltration and then domination of the educational system, mass media and political infrastructure. I was too busy with graduate school, family and my career to notice what they were up to. I should have remembered that the left thinks in terms of decades, not years, and they never, never give up or lose sight of thier ultimate goal.

Marines in 1975 and I grew up watching what was going on. Never understood how it could be so obvious to me but not everyone else.

Do you really think that the destruction of the family was a haphazard event that appeared overnight?

Hell no.

The welfare state creates and encourages fatherless homes. The liberals seek to create a condition of in loco parentis, whereby the State becomes the parents, the teachers, the care-givers. The liberals want a docile, malleable population that is totally dependent on them.
It is this dependency from which they draw their power. The ultimate liberal wet dream is a liberal fascist police state. The only thing standing in their way are strong families, the 2nd Amendment and those of us who are strong enough to tell the truth and draw a line in the sand. Semper Fi.

We'd have some interesting conversations. I couldn't agree more and we both clearly have been paying attention to events, both contemporary and historic.

Posted: 9/11/2005 5:01:35 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Distrust of the US government of the 60's and 70's.

Too much money made by the U.S. after WWII turned the generation of the 60/70 into lazy miscreatents. Fat, Happy, Dumb. (As a generalization)

Posted: 9/11/2005 5:04:21 PM EDT

[#4]

transformation of schools into socialist indoctrination centers

That's my choice. That began starting about 1900 here in the U.S., but it took a few decades to really spread. By the 1950's it was firmly entrenched. We're living with the result of literally a century of more and more generations who have been suckled at the teat of "the government will care for me" mentality. Fathers aren't important, self-gratification is all-important, the world owes you a living.

I lay it all at the feet of the public school indoctrination system. Not everywhere, not all the time, but in enough places that it mattered, and more every decade.

Look up John Dewey some time.

Posted: 9/11/2005 5:07:37 PM EDT

[#5]

IMO, its when the government wants to make laws or favors to protect the minority instead of the majority. Now when i say minority i dont mean race, but like lets say 1 atheist in a school of all Christians says prayer is in violation of their beliefs and other things like that.

Nations, which is a society of people with common beliefs and morals will prosper and survive, but when a nation becomes an empire where there isnt a set of common beliefs or morals is when it falls. Nations prosper, empires fall. Look at the history of the world. This is very true. This was in a book i read once but i cant think offhand who wrote about this subject. Now that might not be the exact words but that was the main idea.

Posted: 9/11/2005 5:21:30 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
IMO, its when the government wants to make laws or favors to protect the minority instead of the majority. Now when i say minority i dont mean race, but like lets say 1 atheist in a school of all Christians says prayer is in violation of their beliefs and other things like that.

Nations, which is a society of people with common beliefs and morals will prosper and survive, but when a nation becomes an empire where there isnt a set of common beliefs or morals is when it falls. Nations prosper, empires fall. Look at the history of the world. This is very true. This was in a book i read once but i cant think offhand who wrote about this subject. Now that might not be the exact words but that was the main idea.

Um, Retzam? The purpose of the Constitution is to protect the rights of minorities against the power of majorities. It's there to say "Take a walk" when, for example, the majority of the nation decides that a gun ban is a good idea. It's there to tell the government that "unreasonable search and seizure" is verboten, even though it might be advantageous to do it to a minority of the population.

Just so you know...

Posted: 9/11/2005 5:32:22 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Quoted:
IMO, its when the government wants to make laws or favors to protect the minority instead of the majority. Now when i say minority i dont mean race, but like lets say 1 atheist in a school of all Christians says prayer is in violation of their beliefs and other things like that.

Nations, which is a society of people with common beliefs and morals will prosper and survive, but when a nation becomes an empire where there isnt a set of common beliefs or morals is when it falls. Nations prosper, empires fall. Look at the history of the world. This is very true. This was in a book i read once but i cant think offhand who wrote about this subject. Now that might not be the exact words but that was the main idea.
Um, Retzam? The purpose of the Constitution is to protect the rights of minorities against the power of majorities. It's there to say "Take a walk" when, for example, the majority of the nation decides that a gun ban is a good idea. It's there to tell the government that "unreasonable search and seizure" is verboten, even though it might be advantageous to do it to a minority of the population.

Just so you know...

Right and when our country was founded everyone believed deeply in these values layed down by the consitution and we were a unified nation. Now the supreme court has ruled that private land can be taken for private businesses. That pretty much is something wanted by the minority of rich corporation owners that can now pay to take private land right out from under you. This would never have happened before late 20th/ early 21st society. Look at gun rights also being stomped all over to make happy the people who thinks guns are to blame and not the criminals. Of course their will be both ends of the spectrum as far as the minority needing to be favored and sometimes unfavored.

Posted: 9/11/2005 5:33:57 PM EDT

[#8]

I'm going to cast my ballot for drinking party {Republican} koolaid blindly w/o regard for your true values........

Posted: 9/11/2005 5:35:35 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
IMO, its when the government wants to make laws or favors to protect the minority instead of the majority. Now when i say minority i dont mean race, but like lets say 1 atheist in a school of all Christians says prayer is in violation of their beliefs and other things like that.

Nations, which is a society of people with common beliefs and morals will prosper and survive, but when a nation becomes an empire where there isnt a set of common beliefs or morals is when it falls. Nations prosper, empires fall. Look at the history of the world. This is very true. This was in a book i read once but i cant think offhand who wrote about this subject. Now that might not be the exact words but that was the main idea.
Um, Retzam? The purpose of the Constitution is to protect the rights of minorities against the power of majorities. It's there to say "Take a walk" when, for example, the majority of the nation decides that a gun ban is a good idea. It's there to tell the government that "unreasonable search and seizure" is verboten, even though it might be advantageous to do it to a minority of the population.

Just so you know...

Right and when our country was founded everyone believed deeply in these values layed down by the consitution and we were a unified nation. Now the supreme court has ruled that private land can be taken for private businesses. That pretty much is something wanted by the minority of rich corporation owners that can now pay to take private land right out from under you. This would never have happened before late 20th/ early 21st society. Look at gun rights also being stomped all over to make happy the people who thinks guns are to blame and not the criminals. Of course their will be both ends of the spectrum as far as the minority needing to be favored and sometimes unfavored.

Many things have changed, but different wants, needs and desires haven't. We weren't unified enough to win the Revolution on our own. The French helped us.

Posted: 9/11/2005 5:51:10 PM EDT

[#10]

We'd have some interesting conversations. I couldn't agree more and we both clearly have been paying attention to events, both contemporary and historic.

Stay tuned. I think the ride is going to get bumpy. Dont underestimate the possibility of the Hildebeast becoming President. Did you know that her senior thesis at Vassar is the only one that is not available to the general public? And her mask slipped somewhat when she said last year to the effect that "we are going to have to take some things away from you for the common good." While Bill was concerned with his legacy and where his next BJ was coming from, the Hildebeast is a true believer and extremely dangerous.

Posted: 9/11/2005 5:59:02 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Did you know that her senior thesis at Vassar is the only one that is not available to the general public?

* ears perking up *

Didn't know that... this could get interesting (especially since the press will ignore it a la Kerry's elusive DD paperwork...)

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:05:31 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Did you know that her senior thesis at Vassar is the only one that is not available to the general public?

* ears perking up *

Didn't know that... this could get interesting (especially since the press will ignore it a la Kerry's elusive DD paperwork...)

didn't she go to Wellesly?

I could be wrong

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:08:12 PM EDT

[#13]

Greetings,
Here's the preface to a book that answers your initial question:

www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books-Preface.html

oznog53

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:08:39 PM EDT

[#14]

ooh, interesting

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:09:49 PM EDT

[#15]

F. All of the above

HH

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:18:41 PM EDT

[#16]

you forgot welfare

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:19:31 PM EDT

[#17]

ctrl+w is most responsible!

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:22:04 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:

We'd have some interesting conversations. I couldn't agree more and we both clearly have been paying attention to events, both contemporary and historic.

Stay tuned. I think the ride is going to get bumpy.

Yeah, I started a thread about that a few days ago and plenty yelled for more tinfoil.

If not handled properly shit is going to be bad and the .gov isn't going to handle the next few years well.

Dont underestimate the possibility of the Hildebeast becoming President.

Oh, I haven't.
A few years ago I blew that venomous bitch off as unelectable. It is all falling right into place for her if you ask me. She must be licking her chops right about now and there does not appear to be a single notable Republican in the wings. McCain maybe but he is a RINO so doesn't count.

Did you know that her senior thesis at Vassar is the only one that is not available to the general public? And her mask slipped somewhat when she said last year to the effect that "we are going to have to take some things away from you for the common good." While Bill was concerned with his legacy and where his next BJ was coming from, the Hildebeast is a true believer and extremely dangerous.

Very dangerous. Shit'll be coming down on all of us if she gets to be President.
Didn't know that about her thseis. Interesting.

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:22:30 PM EDT

[#19]

We The People

We the People haven't been dilegent in keeping things in check. We've become soft, comfortable, lazy, apathetic, uninvolved, selfish

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:25:08 PM EDT

[#20]

All of the above.

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:26:05 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
All of the above.

+1

you forgot that option

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:33:22 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
you forgot welfare

Sure is the one way to fix all of this IMO.
But I consider Welfare a result of family and spiritual breakdown. Chicken or the egg thing, I guess.

If we could eliminate Welfare and people were forced to take personal responsibility, many of this countries problems would solve themselves in time. I like the idea of helping people who have come on hard times to get back on their feet but it has become painfully obvious that as long as there are such programs there will be abuse, vote buying and consequent corruption. The only way is a clean break.

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:35:17 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Quoted:
All of the above.

+1

you forgot that option

Well, you only get 5 options for the polls. So PICK ONE!

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:38:24 PM EDT

[#24]

None of the above. It's due to the philosophic teachings of Immanuel Kant - among a whole host of bad results is the pervasiveness of moral relativism.

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:42:14 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
None of the above. It's due to the philosophic teachings of Immanuel Kant - among a whole host of bad results is the pervasiveness of moral relativism.

Huh?

I try to keep up with things but you slipped that one by. Who the Hell is Immanuel Kant?

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:46:49 PM EDT

[#26]

The 19th Amendment to the Constitution - don't believe me, look at its ratification date and compare that to the start of the country's decline.

The truth is posted elsewhere - the root is our lax exercise of personal responsibility, which includes standing up when we see something wrong, saying so, and following through. And then repeating.

The tool of the decline is the current manifestation of the New Deal and the Great Society. Now, provisions of the Patriot Act must be challenged, for example, arrests and imprisonment without public charges and trials - this ought to be unacceptable to everyone and I hope you recognize the insidious threat. The principle is simple - if there is sufficient evidence for an arrest and detainment, there is sufficient evidence for a trial. We need to stop letting the government get away with the endemic acceptance of sloppy work permeating practically every crevice.

I am also of the opinion that the recent New Orleans debacle is as strong an argument for strong States and weak, decentralized Federal government as will ever come our way. I can't think of a single problem of society that can arise that can't be handled locally with much more efficency than the Federal government will ever provide in their wildest dreams. In fact, US government standards are invariably minimum standards designed to fit the lowest common denominator. There will be arguments that the poorest states can't take care of their own - that's nonsense, the population of every state dictates the level of service if they are on the ball and participating as active citizens instead of consumers of government largess.

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:49:00 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
You left out the concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

The lack of personal responsiblity is the number one cause of the decline of freedom and values in the U.S.

No other single thing even comes close...there's no question.

EXACTLY what I was going to write !!!

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:54:28 PM EDT

[#28]

None of the above.

They are all SYMPTOMS of fifty years of unbridled liberalism. We better all wake up and realize that there are among us, fellow citizens who actually hope for the destruction of the capitilist democratic republic we call home. They were once known as Communists...then Socialists...now "progressives" or liberals. Whatever they call themselves, THEY are the real reasons our country has been so debased of the decades. THEY are the true manifestation of the corrosive effects of communism and the communists' never-ending search for their "perfect" society....that ultimate "fair" form of a pure communism that we American capitalists stand in the way of.

That is why they loath Reagan and Bush so much. Don't believe me? Go visit DU or the Democratic Socialists of America site. Listen to a bit of Dean...Pelosi...Kennedy...or Hillary in her earlier years.

God help us all if our country elects another liberal before this war is over...

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:55:29 PM EDT

[#29]

People depend on too many things now. Whether it be Government, God or support groups. Most people now simply can't handle a problem on their own and want something else to fix it. As said on page 1, personal responsibility is dying. Most people simply refuse to help themselves.

Posted: 9/11/2005 6:55:49 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
The 19th Amendment to the Constitution - don't believe me, look at its ratification date and compare that to the start of the country's decline.

Unfortunately...that is likely the most accurate reason of all.

Posted: 9/11/2005 7:00:35 PM EDT

[#31]

Lack of personal responsibility !

Not in poll

Posted: 9/11/2005 7:04:51 PM EDT

[#32]

+1 on the 19th Amendment.

Sorry ladies, I just have to agree on this.

Posted: 9/11/2005 7:31:34 PM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
+1 on the 19th Amendment.

Sorry ladies, I just have to agree on this.

Yeah, that really should have been included. My bad

Clearly, this really started the country down a path to were we are today with the social problems I listed at the top. From it grew the socialist/communist/pacifist movements of the 30's, social turmoil leading to the breakdown of the family and the socialist indoctrination of the schools, destruction of our other institutions. They are already on page 85 of a 100 page playbook.

Posted: 9/11/2005 7:37:04 PM EDT

[#34]

Modern day liberalism.

Posted: 9/11/2005 8:09:38 PM EDT

[#35]

In large part, AFDC (Aid to Familes with Dependent Children). Pays people to have illegitimate children and and pays the poor to NOT live in a traditional family. It also allows girls to ignore their parents (now mostly parent) and become "independent" by having a child they cannot afford, nor properly raise.

Back in Kalifornia (gone from that s-hole thankfully) we called it the first of the month "Mother's Day" (when the AFDC checks came in). Where do you think all the gang bangers are coming from? It also creates a matriarcal society because the woman have the cash and they only lose it if they get married. The men have no status as breadwinners because they can't earn more than the gov't gives women (for doing nothing but filling the world with an exceptionally high rate of losers).

A baby chimp/orang/gorilla in a zoo that isn't properly raised in a family environment loses the ability to raise its own offispring properly. Why are we surprised we are going downhill when we're talking about human society?

Posted: 9/11/2005 8:25:55 PM EDT

[#36]

pc

Posted: 9/11/2005 8:28:37 PM EDT

[#37]

Liberals and the shit that they spew

Posted: 9/11/2005 10:26:00 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
Greetings,
Here's the preface to a book that answers your initial question:

~~url~~

oznog53

That cuts it close to

Edit to kill link

Posted: 9/11/2005 10:26:41 PM EDT

[#39]

Democrats, Liberals, Socialists (but I repeat myself).

Posted: 9/11/2005 10:32:48 PM EDT

[#40]

I am going to question why "not enough god" got more votes than "absence of father"?

Posted: 9/11/2005 10:35:07 PM EDT

[#41]

Although I voted for the church/God thing, your choices could all be tied to one root cause:

LIBERALISM

Posted: 9/11/2005 10:44:18 PM EDT

[#42]

It's our fault. Not liberals, not congress, not women. It's us guys.

When the strongest part of flock gets fat, lazy and weak, there's no hope for the herd.

Just the way I see it.

Posted: 9/11/2005 10:47:30 PM EDT

[#43]

Schools. You are told from the very begging that their authority is absolute and they are all knowing. Ofcourse it doesnt help when you have teachers putting up anti bush posters during an election or government teachers telling you the constitution is only relative to whats going on today.

That and group projects. I fucking hated all the damn group projects I had to do. Ohh yeah, and policies like dont defend youself if someone is attacking you.

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:00:36 PM EDT

[#44]

Here is an example of what I was saying about the media being biased
this heartbreaking story does not mention that the famous march
where the civil rights protesters were beaten by Police was done by order of a dem mayor
with a dem governor that allowed it to happen, or may have even suggested it
If it had been done by republicans you can bet your last dollar that would have been mentioned

Mayor Who Led Selma During Civil Rights Era Dead at 75
The Associated Press
Sep 11, 2005
ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBYSAY6IDE.html
SELMA, Ala. (AP) - Former Selma Mayor Joe Smitherman, who held office for decades during the turbulent civil rights era, died Sunday. He was 75.
Smitherman died in a Montgomery hospital. Tom Kelly of Lawrence Brown Service Funeral Home did not know the cause of the former mayor's death.

Smitherman had suffered from a heart condition and underwent hip surgery after a fall at his home.

He served on the City Council in 1960 until he was elected mayor in 1964. The following year, marchers seeking equal voting rights were beaten by police on a Selma bridge in what came to be known as "Bloody Sunday."

The former segregationist was defeated in 2000 by James Perkins, the city's first black mayor.

Smitherman had not been active in politics since leaving office, Williamson said.

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:09:08 PM EDT

[#45]

The single parent home or equally bad both parents working. Kids left home alone with their Peers and MTV setting the example rather than a responsible adult.

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:25:22 PM EDT

[#46]

I will keep this as short as possible. It is a question with MANY answers.

Lack of respect for our elders
Lack of respect for each other
Lack of proper discipline on our youth
Abscence of common sense
The "All About Me" mentality
Too high of divorce rate
Classism (the haves vs the have nots)
Laziness
Lack of work ethics
Classifying character flaws as "diseases"

Divorcees... I NEVER said EVERY divorce... I expect some divorce but I have seen TOO many divorces for the DUMBEST reasons... especially when kids are involved. Some divorces (although sad) are necessary.

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:34:46 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
I will keep this as short as possible. It is a question with MANY answers.

Lack of respect for our eldersTrue respect is earned never given
Lack of respect for each othersee above
Lack of proper discipline on our youthfull agreement their
Abscence of common sensecommon sense tragicly is taught not inate blame parents
The "All About Me" mentalityAgreed
Too high of divorce rateI know to many who are better off with one parent
Classism (the haves vs the have nots)breaks down to envy
LazinessAgreed
Lack of work ethicsepidemic
Classifying character flaws as "diseases"they think a pill is the solution to much now

Divorcees... I NEVER said EVERY divorce... I expect some divorce but I have seen TOO many divorces for the DUMBEST reasons... especially when kids are involved. Some divorces (although sad) are necessary.

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:38:06 PM EDT

[#48]

It's all been said:

19th Ammendment enabled Liberalism to flourish. Liberalism deliberately destroyed the family unit and personal responsibility.

We all got complacent. More concerned with money than with liberty.

The real question is: Where do we go from here?

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:44:03 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I will keep this as short as possible. It is a question with MANY answers.

Lack of respect for our eldersTrue respect is earned never given
Lack of respect for each othersee above
Lack of proper discipline on our youthfull agreement their
Abscence of common sensecommon sense tragicly is taught not inate blame parents
The "All About Me" mentalityAgreed
Too high of divorce rateI know to many who are better off with one parent
Classism (the haves vs the have nots)breaks down to envy
LazinessAgreed
Lack of work ethicsepidemic
Classifying character flaws as "diseases"they think a pill is the solution to much now

Divorcees... I NEVER said EVERY divorce... I expect some divorce but I have seen TOO many divorces for the DUMBEST reasons... especially when kids are involved. Some divorces (although sad) are necessary.

On the respect issue, what I mean is if you and I met one day, you start off with me with a clean sheet and FULL ON respect. I wouldnt ridicule you because of what you look like, what you do for a living, what you drive, how much money you have. Its your actions that will diminish my respect for you.

I dont know if I am using the right word here... please calibrate me if I am not. In my dealings with the class of customers I deal with, they seem to look down on me because of the job I do and when they find out the neighborhood I live in, MOST of the time I get "REALLY?" as they are in shock that I live in a good neighborhood. to me THAT is a lack of "respect"

Posted: 9/11/2005 11:59:44 PM EDT

[#50]

FDR is the one who flipped the "on" switch.

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