Posted: 7/28/2005 10:58:30 AM EDT
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Yahoo news is reporting that a trigger lock amendment was added by a 70-30 vote. Yahoo News Crap. |
Maybe so then... As for the locks, they were included with a couple of guns I bought. No big deal. |
If that's not enough then you don't get it. Just another BS regulation to follow now. MAybe I have enough trigger locks and I don't like being forced to buy more with every pistol. |
yeah I'm sure that SKS on the right is an automatic weapon |
What is it, Sarge? That I'm missing and causing you to 'roll eyes'. Don't get me wrong; I wouldn't have voted for locks to be mandatory. But if that's the worst they tack onto the bill why is that so bad? |
I don't like it but it's not that bad. It's better than stipulations about mechanical aspects of the firearm like saying they have to have loaded chamber indicators or something. |
he's just trying to make himself not feel so bad about living in the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia |
This is nothing new. It is done intentionally to scare the sheeple and the uninformed. The news media is not a gunner's friend. |
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I'm suprised this bothers people. COnsidering all the other stuff they could have tried to tack on, this doesnt concern me in the least. Shit, I'd give'm their trigger locks. They coulda pushed for ALOT worse. On the flip side of things, its this exact mentality that is why we're losing the War on Guns as it were. |
Consumers should not be forced to buy something they do not want to buy. Intend to buy a gun, be forced to buy a trigger lock. The bill should not be passed unless it is only about the lawful protection of firearm commerce. Anything else should be stricken. Send it back to commitee and delete the amendment. We already are forced to buy trigger locks for all pistols sold in California, and it is WRONG. It is even worse at a federal level. |
I know it's wrong but I'm more concerned about the lawsuits. |
HELL NO It would just be plain stupid to end up killing this bill over trigger locks. The trade of is easily worth it… especially considering many manufactures already include locks with or built into the gun. |
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I don't like the idea of being forced to buy a trigger lock, and I absolutely hate the idea of even more regulation. But if this is what it takes to get the industry protection law passed, to me it's a worthwhile concession. The anti-gun crowd, their lawyers, and frivolous BS lawsuits will eventually do more damage to the 2nd Amendment than all the gun control laws combined. |
It's not that 'it' is that bad it's that it is useless gun law number 20,001. Next year we'll get numbers 20,002 - 20,004 and on, and on. I don't like that a provision as useless as this can't be swatted because a bunch of RINOs have to appease themselves that they are 'reasonable'. It's useless but not awful by itself. ETA: And it just goes to prove that even with a strong majority we still can't get a clean pro-gun bill. If we can't now, we won't ever. |
| I actually like the locks. They have lots of uses. I have several on gun cases. A couple on my boat securing the for and aft Cabins. My son has one on his bicycle. They are useful at keeping honest people honest. If it makes them feel better than so be it. Pretty much every new gun I've bought in the last several years has come with one anyway. |
+1. If you want a trigger lock, go to your local police department and ask for one. They'll give you one for free. If a person will not do that, then they obviously don't intend on putting a lock on their gun. It's just more BS legislation that will come back to bite us in the butt someday (and probably raise gun prices to cover for a lock most of us will never use). Give the democrats an inch, and they'll take a mile. |
Come on man. The goal of fighting Gun Control is no compromises. None at all. This shouldn't be acceptable. |
| I have them on all mine at home when being stored. Keeps young kids from playing with them if they find them. If its included thats nice. I can see how people may have an issue with it if they have to buy it extra when buying a gun. If you already have a safe then its kinds useless |
Just plain dangerous and shortsighted. That would only be just one more bad idea right up until several gun companies get hit with multi-million dollar judgments putting them out of business. This WILL eventually happen if this bill does not go through. The tobacco companies were able to fight off law suits for decades and then they lost a few suits and in a matter of years they suffered tens of billions in payouts. This is the model that is being pursued by the people suing gun companies and the intent is to put them out of business. AND the gun companies DO NOT have the resources that tobacco companies had, tens of millions in loses WILL put them out of business. If getting this bill through requires a compromise that gun locks are sold with guns so be it. The path you propose is the path to total ruin. |
How does that infringe on the 2nd Amendment in any way at all? 
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Sgtar, you are right. This amemndment does nothing, and is a waste. The law would be better without it. HOWEVER, limited liability, allowing manufacturers to continue to exist and not be sued out of existence, but they are now required to provide a lock, too, is FAR from a step backward. |
NO losing gave us the gun laws we have today. It will be a loss if this bill is killed over gun locks. We can take this win or we can throw it away and face the inevitable destruction of the civilian gun market by lawsuit. You just don’t get it… what gun grabbers cannot get through legislation they will get when they eventually find a willing judge. We either take this bill as is and control that aspect or we will regret it. |
Okay, my turn.  Triggerlocks are NOT "useless" - they make it more difficult for a child to accidentally pull the trigger - IF USED PROPERLY. And the triggerlock law is DEFININTELY not "useless" because it (by virtue of being tacked onto this bill) will essentially prohibit lawsuits against firearm manufacturers. And "trigger locks get people killed"?!?? PUHLEEESE do not use that same VPC-Illogic on inanimate objects. |
Whoa, I better go check mine. Might have a 3rd selector on it...BRB... NOPE. Ben |
I suspect you know what he's getting at... sheeple are told to keep all guns locked up for safety. Then they need it for self defense, and it isn't available to them. |
| I was up at my local Sheriff's office just yesterday picking up some signed form 4's, and they had a whole basket of free trigger locks - hundreds of them. I didn't bother to grab a free one, so that shows how useful they are to me. However, this is a good comprimise (for once) as long as the law doesn't require you to USE the lock. It's a small inconvenience in return for passage of a great bill. |
Well if the "sheeple" as you put don't know any better then it probably is a good thing they have locks on their guns. Most know better. How many guns have you bought in the last 7 years that did not come with a gun lock or did not have a lock built in to the design? Gun manufactures selling guns with gun locks at this time is a non issue as the vast majority already do it. |
I like you and all..... but read. The device is not useless, the federal law requiring it to be sold with the gun is useless. I've never seen a handgun minus one, but now it federal law whenever I do a transfer to buy what I already have in boxes. |
Then firearm safes get people killed too? Let's see - firearms in the home with children, which is the safest scenario: 1) leave firearms out and loaded with no locks or safe storage. 2) leave firearms out but mag taken out and laying next to it (just in case it's needed realfastlike) 3) lock up firearms with triggerlock or in a safe. And again - how is this triggerlock bill ANY infringment on the 2nd Amendment? When someone buys a new firearm from a dealer - in most cases they also get a case, a mag and instruction manual that is included in the price of the firearm WHETHER THEY WANT TO PAY FOR IT OR NOT! |
Doesn't this cover even used weapons that are transfered through an FFL? If so I don't like being forced to buy a lock when I have 5 sitting in a box already. |