Posted: 7/13/2005 12:14:21 PM EDT
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Excerpts from the Qur'an that preach terrorism. www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes1.html#terrorism 
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I just heard a radio show today, where 3 prominent muslims from the muslim community in St. Louis were interviewed (two of them were from CAIR). All three emphatically stated that muslims who support or carry out terrorism are not muslims at all (in their opinion), but the lowest kind of low human being, who has hijacked their religion for their own purposes. So not all muslims see some kind of justification in the Koran for terrorism - in fact these three pointed out that the killing of innocents clearly violated every major tenet of Islam. I would like to see more of an internal fight INSIDE Islam, and for these guys to "clean house" of the extremist elements, but it is clear that many muslims do not sympathize one bit with the terrorists. As an aside, it was also very refreshing to hear all of them express the opinion that the Arab-Israeli conflict didn't really have much to do with the 9/11 or London attacks, and is jsut being used as an excuse by extremists and apologists. |
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"There is no doubt that Tony Blair, the prime minister of Britain, got a good slap from these explosions. Tony Blair was at the height of glory up to the last moments before these explosions. When I say the height of glory, I mean that he succeeded in ensuring that London, the capital of Britain, would host the Olympics, and likewise he was reclining in his seat as the head of the G8 summit. In addition, he had begun his term as leader of the European Union. Through these achievements, the man wanted to cover up the big failure incurred by the British and American policy in Iraq. "These explosions came and blew up everything. They prove that the war Blair and Bush waged against terrorism, on which they have spent about $250 billion, in addition to the killing of some 2,000 British soldiers and 100,000 Iraqi citizens – this war up till now has not been successful. If the Al-Qa'ida organization is really behind these explosions, this proves that it has reorganized its ranks, succeeded in recruiting new expertise, and reached the heart of the European capitals – Britain following Madrid, and maybe in the future – Washington or New York." ~ Abd Al-Bari Atwan, editor-in-chief of the London Arabic-language daily "Al-Quds Al-Arabi" who often expresses support for Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, in an interview to Al-Jazeera TV which aired on July 7, 2005. Link "In the current circumstances, it's logical to say that the only ones to have an interest in doing something like this are those who are furious because of British policy. By the way, when all this had just begun, people talked about it as if there were no context to it. The political context is Britain's entanglement in an oppressive and unjust war against the Afghan and Iraqi peoples. The context is Britain's involvement, along with the U.S., in the arrest and persecution of a large group of Muslims. I believe that this context will be taken into consideration starting tomorrow, Allah willing." ~ Azzam Al-Tamimi, Head of the "Institute of Islamic Political Thought" in London in an interview to Al-Majd TV on July 7, 2005. Link "If Al-Qaeda indeed carried out this act, it is a great victory for it. It rubbed the noses of the world's eight most powerful countries in the mud. This victory is a blow to the economy..." ~ Hani Siba'i, Head of "Al-Maqreze Centre for Historical Studies" in London from an interview which aired on Al-Jazeera TV on July 8, 2005. Link. |
Oly, I think you're missing a few salient points here: -Christians aren't conducting a worldwide Crusade to return the world to the 11th century -Christians all over the world aren't cheering in the streets every time a Muslim loses his or her life. -Christians aren't blowing up crowds of little kids, either Muslim or Christian -Christians aren't beheading people -Chistians aren't 'jacking planes and flying them into buildings -Christians aren't murdering other Christians like Muslims are murdering other Muslims, for political gain -Christians are NOT driven by religious canonoic laws set down in print that demand that they either enslave, convert or KILL the "unbelievers". The Qu'ran makes it crystal clear to the faithful. They have NO choice if they are true believers. -While Christians may prosletize (And they most certainly DO!), they don't murder if they can't convert. Being PC has nothing to do with this issue. In fact...the real issue is or ought to be, who are the REAL terrorists and how are we going to deal with them? I have studied Islam for some time. I have taught Muslims. I think Bernard Lewis was spot on when he wrote this: Roots of Muslim Rage Some of our Muslim neighbors are willing to live and let live...but far too many wish us dead.  Now...how do we deal with that? What do you do when you KNOW your neighbor wants to kill you at his first good opportunity? 
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I am not familiar with any instances in the old testimate where hebrews or jews formed armies to slaugter entire nations of people that were not willing to convert? Or did I miss that somewhere? ETA: I don't think there were many Christians in the old testimate, were there...? I think they came in the New Testiment. |
Didnt say that, said god wasnt a nice god. He was a mean sob. He had no problem with woman and children dying. And so on.
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Oh brother, they speak with forked tongue link Printer-friendly version Email this article to a friend CAIR: 'Moderate' friends of terror by Daniel Pipes New York Post April 22, 2002 Arabic version of this item French version of this item Italian version of this item Spanish version of this item The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations presents itself as just another civil-rights group. "We are similar to a Muslim NAACP," says spokesman Ibrahim Hooper. Its public language - about promoting "interest and understanding among the general public with regards to Islam and Muslims in North America" - certainly boosts an image of moderation. That reputation has permitted CAIR to prosper since its founding in 1994, garnering sizeable donations, invitations to the White House, respectful media citations and a serious hearing by corporations. In reality, CAIR is something quite different. For starters, it's on the wrong side in the war on terrorism. One indication came in October 1998, when the group demanded the removal of a Los Angeles billboard describing Osama bin Laden as "the sworn enemy," finding this depiction "offensive to Muslims." The same year, CAIR denied bin Laden's responsibility for the twin East African embassy bombings. As Hooper saw it, those explosions resulted from some vague "misunderstandings of both sides." (A New York court, however, blamed bin Laden's side alone for the embassy blasts.) In 2001, CAIR denied his culpability for the Sept. 11 massacre, saying only that "if [note the "if"] Osama bin Laden was behind it, we condemn him by name." (Only in December was CAIR finally embarrassed into acknowledging his role.) CAIR consistently defends other militant Islamic terrorists too. The conviction of the perpetrators of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing it deemed "a travesty of justice." The conviction of Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind sheikh who planned to blow up New York City landmarks, it called a "hate crime." The extradition order for suspected Hamas terrorist Mousa Abu Marook it labeled "anti-Islamic" and "anti-American." Not surprisingly, CAIR also backs those who finance terrorism. When President Bush closed the Holy Land Foundation in December for collecting money he said was "used to support the Hamas terror organization," CAIR decried his action as "unjust" and "disturbing." CAIR even includes at least one person associated with terrorism in its own ranks. On Feb. 2, 1995, U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White named Siraj Wahhaj as one of the "unindicted persons who may be alleged as co-conspirators" in the attempt to blow up New York City monuments. Yet CAIR deems him "one of the most respected Muslim leaders in America" and includes him on its advisory board. For these and other reasons, the FBI's former chief of counterterrorism, Steven Pomerantz, concludes that "CAIR, its leaders and its activities effectively give aid to international terrorist groups." Nor is terrorism the only disturbing aspect of CAIR's record. Other problems include: Intimidating moderate Muslims. In at least two cases (Hisham Kabbani and Khalid Durán), CAIR has defamed moderate Muslims who reject its extremist agenda, leading to death threats against them. Embracing murderers. CAIR responded to the arrest and conviction of Jamil Al-Amin (the former H. Rap Brown) by praising him, raising funds for him and then denying his guilt after his conviction for the murder of an Atlanta policeman. Likewise with Ahmad Adnan Chaudhry of San Bernardino, Calif.: Disregarding his conviction for attempting murder, CAIR declared him "innocent" and set up a defense fund for him. Promoting anti-Semitism. The head of CAIR's Los Angeles office, Hussam Ayloush, routinely uses the term "zionazi" when referring to Israelis. CAIR co-hosted an event in May 1998 at which an Egyptian militant Islamic leader, Wagdi Ghunaym, called Jews the "descendants of the apes." Aggressive ambitions. As reported by the San Ramon Valley Herald, CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad told a crowd of California Muslims in July 1998, "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth." CAIR's real record is one of extremism. North American Muslims themselves are beginning to discover - and the government, leading media, churches, and businesses should follow - that CAIR represents not the noble civilization of Islam but an aggressive and radical strain similar to that which led to the suicide hijackings last September. CAIR must be shunned as a fringe group by responsible institutions and individuals throughout North America. |
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A Bad Day for CAIR By Evan McCormick FrontPageMagazine.com | September 24, 2003 September 10th, 2003 will forever be remembered as a grim day for the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR). On that day, the eve of the second anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, CAIR faced up to its own terrorist connections. It ran away from testifying before an influential Senate panel that heard a barrage of incriminating evidence about the group and its connections. It saw one of its former officials plead guilty to terrorist-related crimes in Federal Court. And, it was stood up by two Department of Justice officials at an immigration symposium in Florida. CAIR should find it hard to recover from this string of defeats. Last Wednesday, The Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security held the second in a series of hearings aimed at examining Saudi Arabia’s role in exporting Islamic extremism abroad. The hearing, titled “Two Years After 9/11: Connecting the Dots,” was focused on the prevalence of the radical Wahhabi Islamic sect among Muslim political groups in the U.S. CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad and Chairman Omar Ahmed were invited to testify at the hearing, but both declined to attend. In their absence – and in front of their empty witness chair - the committee heard compelling evidence that Saudi Arabia financially and ideologically supports a network of American organizations that act as the defenders, financiers, and front groups of international terrorists. CAIR has been a major player in this network since its creation in 1994, with a particularly soft spot for the suicide-bombing death squads of Hamas. Senators turned out in force to connect the dots between CAIR and the deviant Islamic extremism that led to the vicious attacks of 9/11. In his opening statement, Chairman Jon Kyl said, “a small group of organizations based in the U.S. with Saudi backing and support, is well advanced in its four- decade effort to control Islam in America -from mosques, universities and community centers to our prisons and even within our military. Moderate Muslims who love America and want to be part of our great country are being forced out of those institutions.” Senator Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat who has been steadfast in his efforts to uncover the nexus of Hamas front groups in the U.S., was ruthless in his portrayal of CAIR as part of an international terror network. In his opening remarks, Senator Schumer stated that prominent members of CAIR—referring specifically to Nihad Awad and Omar Ahmed—have “intimate links with Hamas.” Later, he remarked that “we know [CAIR] has ties to terrorism.” Even Senator Richard Durbin, who has made common cause with some of America’s Wahhabi-backed groups, came down hard on CAIR. In his final comments he conceded that CAIR is “unusual in its extreme rhetoric and its associations with groups that are suspect,” and requested that the committee seek the testimony of mainstream Muslim groups in its place in the future. CAIR’s affinity for terrorist causes is well documented in the press. At a 1994 meeting at Barry University, Nihad Awad stated succinctly, “I am a supporter of the Hamas movement.” Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper has defended Saudi Arabia’s financial aid to families of Palestinian suicide bombers. In recent months, three CAIR officials were indicted on terrorism-related charges. As luck would have it, just hours before the hearing, news services reported that former CAIR official Bassem K. Khafagi had pleaded guilty to charges of visa and bank fraud in federal court in Detroit. The charges were brought against Khafagi for his role with the Islamic Assembly of North America, a group that has advocated violence against the United States and is believed to have funneled money to organizations with terrorist connections. At the time of his arrest, Khafagi was Community Affairs director with CAIR. Khafagi is one of several IANA officials indicted on terrorism-related charges after Federal agents raided the group’s Ypsilanti, Michigan offices in February. Another arrested IANA official, Saudi-born Sami al-Hussayen ran a series of IANA websites that propagated the teachings of radical Islamist clerics closely linked with Osama bin Laden. He also ran the University of Idaho Muslim Students Association. Al-Hussayen is awaiting a deportation order after refusing to testify in his own defense. The Chairman of IANA has stated that half of the Assembly’s funds come from Saudi Arabia, while the other half come from private donors who are primarily Saudi. IANA conferences in the early 1990’s featured lectures from Ali al-Timimi, an Islamic preacher recently identified as “co-conspirator number one” in the indictment of 11 Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist recruits in a Northern Virginia Jihad network. One of the 11 Virginia Jihadists, Randall Todd Royer, formerly served as a Communications Specialist and Civil Rights Coordinator at CAIR. While Senators on Capitol Hill were assiduously connecting the dots to prevent future terrorist attacks, CAIR-Florida was teaming up with the American Civil Liberties Union to sponsor a town hall meeting on immigration issues in South Florida. The September 10th event was billed as an opportunity for residents to discuss “how America and Florida has [sic] changed since September 11, 2001 - our constitutional rights, inter-group relations, and the treatment of our immigrant communities, etc.” The event was slated to feature a U.S. Attorney, an FBI representative, and the Assistant Commissioner of the Florida Department of law Enforcement. None of the officials showed up. By absenting themselves from the meeting, the officials foiled another attempt by CAIR to oppose the Bush administration’s War on Terror. CAIR has made a cottage industry out of blaming individual incidents, either real or perceived, of anti-Muslim violence and discrimination on the Bush administration’s anti-terror policies, especially the USA Patriot Act. CAIR’s uses statistical manipulation and “civil rights” arguments, not to protect innocent Muslims but to exonerate its own “intimate links with terrorism” to use the words of Senator Schumer. Meetings like the South Florida immigration symposium are an integral part of the Wahhabi groups’ strategy of gaining political access to the U.S. government. Since well before 9/11, CAIR and other organizations have alleged to speak on behalf of America’s peaceful, moderate Muslims, while simultaneously lending support and funds to terrorist causes. Certain members of the Bush administration, anxious to frame the War on terror in the context of political correctness, have then pandered to the Wahhabi organizations, providing them with phony legitimacy at the expense of the Muslim community at large. Since September 11th, prominent Wahhabi-backed leaders have been granted meetings with President Bush, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and FBI Director Robert Mueller. These meetings are then used to further the notion that Wahhabi-funded organizations like CAIR are fit to represent America’s estimated 6 million Muslims. This strategy has permitted the Wahhabi Lobby, as the collection of pressure groups are called, to become the de facto pool of consultants for government agencies willing to compromise vigilance for ethno-sensitivity in the War on Terror. The true agendas of groups like CAIR are obscured or forgotten in the process, and Wahhabis are given a blank check to oppose anti-terror policies that threaten to expose their connection to the terrorist support network in the U.S. Combating the Wahhabi agents of influence in the U.S. will require a comprehensive assessment of the political objectives, operational strategies and sources of funding of each group and their individual leaders. A basic and important step must be to resist the Wahhabi Lobby’s attempts to influence U.S. policy. The new absence of Justice Department officials from a CAIR symposium is a welcome sign that government agencies are becoming aware of the Council’s close links with extremists. Meanwhile, we must continue to support the government’s efforts to apprehend those who serve terrorist causes from within our borders. The guilty plea of CAIR official Bassem K. Khafagi is one of many signs that the U.S. is winning the War against terrorists at home as well as abroad. |
Ruth was a Moabite. Moses wife was Zipporah, a Midianite. Moses took vengence against Midian and killed every man, boy and every woman who had known a man. They kept the young girls. This was in response for the Baal Peor incident. Better bone up on that Torah. |
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Muslims just take the Koran seriously. Jews/Christians just ignore the parts of the old testament they don't like. Reading both here will show you that the old testament and the Koran are pretty much the same, which is to say totally evil. Skeptics Annotated Bible/Koran |
That link is a good find.. Damn I did not realize how brutal they were. |
Dayum. This definitely qualifies for an 
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I'd challenge you to quote a single person from this thread who is sympathizing with terrorists. There's a difference between not believing that Islam as a religion is evil vs sympathizing with terrorists. Christianity doesn't have a pretty history. You don't have to go back very far to see "spreading Christianity" as an excuse used for military expansion throughout the world. Were you to compare morality between medieval Christians and medieval Muslims, it isn't as if the Christians are standing on the high road. The difference comes later, as the West went through the Enlightenment, something that never happened in the Muslim world. As Muslim countries become more developed and more democratic, you'll see a much more enlightened Islam. |
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what do timothy mcVeigh, eric harris, dylan klebold, john allen muhammad, john lee malvo, 911 hijackers, eric rudolph, Mohammed Bouyeri, Jeff Weise, david koresh, jim jones have in common? (more could be added to this list). islam only provides the reason for many, something else provides the motivation (underlying compulsion). islam is 1/2 the problem, especially some of its radical interpretations and crazy leaders. there is no new testament to offset the harshness of the old testament (which in some cases requires that husbands stone wives if wives worship false gods). but something else is going on underneath that leads people to want to die while killing helpless innocent victims.. the mad mullahs only harness this dark force... |
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CAIR has had 2 board members arrested for being members/supporters of Hezbollah which says all one needs to know about them. All mooslims are terrorists. All are our enemy. We need to do what Roosevelt did to the Japs during WW2. We are at war with all mooslims. They are incompatable with Western Civilization. Mooslims have no respect for human life. Their religious founder was an insane sexual predator and pedophile who received visions from Satan and though they were from an angel. |