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5/22/2005 3:13:15 PM EDT
So your standing at the bottom of a water fall, you look up to the top of the falls and for some reason you take not your angle of elevation is 60 degrees.


You go hiking 1000 feet away from the water fall, remaining at the same elevation (Okay, better yet you are on a boat and you float 1000 feet down river.

You look up to the top of the falls and your angle of elevation is 57.3 degrees.


How tall is the falls?


Cant for the life of me figger it out.

ETA: My only hunches is that you find a ratio of your angles of elevation and multiply that by the 1000 foot difference...

5/22/2005 4:42:57 PM EDT
[#1]
This is a simple trig problem.  The tangent of your angle of elevation is equal to the unknown height of the falls over the distance you are away from it.  That is...

tan(57.3)=x/1000 solve for x.
5/22/2005 4:47:31 PM EDT
[#2]
I'm lazy anymore...ok, maybe I have always been lazy, but I end up just figuring things like this out in a CAD program.
5/22/2005 4:50:24 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
This is a simple trig problem.  The tangent of your angle of elevation is equal to the unknown height of the falls over the distance you are away from it.  That is...

tan(57.3)=x/1000 solve for x.



i didnt know "simple" and "trig" went in the same sentence.
5/22/2005 4:53:08 PM EDT
[#4]
the tangent of an angle = opposite side/adjacent side.

Therefore,

tangent(57.3) = x/1000 where x=height of waterfall

solve for X
5/22/2005 5:24:15 PM EDT
[#5]
Actually, you have use trig and algebra.

h = xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3


Edited cause I don't know my cos from my tan. Rusty. It's been years, hell decades.
5/22/2005 5:26:19 PM EDT
[#6]
My answer is "perty damn big"
5/22/2005 5:29:55 PM EDT
[#7]
law of sine

a/sinA=b/sinB=c/sinC

a= unknown
A=57.3
b=1000
B=90

simple enough

a/sin57.3=1000/1
a=1000*sin57.3
you can finish it from there
5/22/2005 5:34:34 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
law of sine

a/sinA=b/sinB=c/sinC

a= unknown
A=57.3
b=1000
B=90

simple enough

a/sin57.3=1000/1
a=1000*sin57.3
you can finish it from there



Problem is b = a + 1000
5/22/2005 5:40:08 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
law of sine

a/sinA=b/sinB=c/sinC

a= unknown
A=57.3
b=1000
B=90

simple enough

a/sin57.3=1000/1
a=1000*sin57.3
you can finish it from there



Problem is b = a + 1000



dont think so.
but shit, i did make a mistake..

ok

A= 57.3 a=?
B=32.7  b=1000
C=90     c=?

but other than that, the length of b does not equal the length of a plus its own length...

a/sin57.3=1000/sin32.7
a=(1000*sin57.3)/sin32.7
5/22/2005 5:43:25 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Actually, you have use trig and algebra.

h = xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3


Edited cause I don't know my cos from my tan. Rusty. It's been years, hell decades.


Yep, because if you were right under the falls the first angle would be 90 degrees.
5/22/2005 5:48:30 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, you have use trig and algebra.

h = xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3


Edited cause I don't know my cos from my tan. Rusty. It's been years, hell decades.


Yep, because if you were right under the falls the first angle would be 90 degrees.



ok i dont know what formula that is, but i know the law of sine gives hte right answer.
5/22/2005 5:50:41 PM EDT
[#12]
Aw, hell, you're in trig and can't do that? Don't make me get my calculator out...
5/22/2005 5:51:57 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, you have use trig and algebra.

h = xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3


Edited cause I don't know my cos from my tan. Rusty. It's been years, hell decades.


Yep, because if you were right under the falls the first angle would be 90 degrees.



ok i dont know what formula that is, but i know the law of sine gives hte right answer.



I can't even remember the law of sine. It's been too long, so you're WAAAY ahead of me.
5/22/2005 5:54:21 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, you have use trig and algebra.

h = xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3


Edited cause I don't know my cos from my tan. Rusty. It's been years, hell decades.


Yep, because if you were right under the falls the first angle would be 90 degrees.



ok i dont know what formula that is, but i know the law of sine gives hte right answer.



But:

sin R = height of falls/ hypotenuse   ::: so I am not sure how that helps.

tan R = height of falls / distance
5/22/2005 5:56:00 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, you have use trig and algebra.

h = xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3


Edited cause I don't know my cos from my tan. Rusty. It's been years, hell decades.


Yep, because if you were right under the falls the first angle would be 90 degrees.



ok i dont know what formula that is, but i know the law of sine gives hte right answer.



I can't even remember the law of sine. It's been too long, so you're WAAAY ahead of me.



law of sine gets 1557.67 feet high.

that tangent formula not only has 2 unknowns, but is set to equal the hypotonuse. why are you guys trying to figure out the hyp? he wants the hight of the falls, not the distance from where the person is, to the hight of the falls.

anyway, the hypotonuse is 1851.03 feet tall
5/22/2005 5:58:42 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, you have use trig and algebra.

h = xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3


Edited cause I don't know my cos from my tan. Rusty. It's been years, hell decades.


Yep, because if you were right under the falls the first angle would be 90 degrees.



ok i dont know what formula that is, but i know the law of sine gives hte right answer.



I can't even remember the law of sine. It's been too long, so you're WAAAY ahead of me.



law of sine gets 1557.67 feet high.

that tangent formula not only has 2 unknowns, but is set to equal the hypotonuse. why are you guys trying to figure out the hyp? he wants the hight of the falls, not the distance from where the person is, to the hight of the falls.

anyway, the hypotonuse is 1851.03 feet tall


With the hyp and the angle you can always get the opposite leg.
5/22/2005 5:58:53 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, you have use trig and algebra.

h = xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3


Edited cause I don't know my cos from my tan. Rusty. It's been years, hell decades.


Yep, because if you were right under the falls the first angle would be 90 degrees.



ok i dont know what formula that is, but i know the law of sine gives hte right answer.



But:

sin R = height of falls/ hypotenuse   ::: so I am not sure how that helps.

tan R = height of falls / distance



so you're using soh cah toa so tangent=oposite over adjacent
tan57.3=x/1000
tan57.3*1000=x which is hte hight of the falls
x=1557.67

same answer
5/22/2005 6:03:02 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, you have use trig and algebra.

h = xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3


Edited cause I don't know my cos from my tan. Rusty. It's been years, hell decades.


Yep, because if you were right under the falls the first angle would be 90 degrees.



ok i dont know what formula that is, but i know the law of sine gives hte right answer.



I can't even remember the law of sine. It's been too long, so you're WAAAY ahead of me.



law of sine gets 1557.67 feet high.

that tangent formula not only has 2 unknowns, but is set to equal the hypotonuse. why are you guys trying to figure out the hyp? he wants the hight of the falls, not the distance from where the person is, to the hight of the falls.

anyway, the hypotonuse is 1851.03 feet tall



You are way off.  

h is height of the falls or o for opposite side.

You don't use both unkowns. Solve for x using the right side of the equation:

xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3

Where x is the distance from the fall. x +1000 is the second distance.

then,

h = xtan60

solve for h.


The Law of sines BTW concerns any triangle, even oblique, with regards to the ratios btwn angles and opposite sides. IOW the ratio of the sin of one of the angles divided by the oppsite side is the same as all the others.

I don't see how it helps.

Gee guys, I haven't done this shit since 1983



5/22/2005 6:10:20 PM EDT
[#19]
Ow my head hurts!
5/22/2005 6:11:04 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, you have use trig and algebra.

h = xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3


Edited cause I don't know my cos from my tan. Rusty. It's been years, hell decades.


Yep, because if you were right under the falls the first angle would be 90 degrees.



ok i dont know what formula that is, but i know the law of sine gives hte right answer.



I can't even remember the law of sine. It's been too long, so you're WAAAY ahead of me.



law of sine gets 1557.67 feet high.

that tangent formula not only has 2 unknowns, but is set to equal the hypotonuse. why are you guys trying to figure out the hyp? he wants the hight of the falls, not the distance from where the person is, to the hight of the falls.

anyway, the hypotonuse is 1851.03 feet tall



You are way off.  

h is height of the falls or o for opposite side.

You don't use both unkowns. Solve for x using the right side of the equation:

xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3

Where x is the distance from the fall. x +1000 is the second distance.

then,

h = xtan60

solve for h.


The Law of sines BTW concerns any triangle, even oblique, with regards to the ratios btwn angles and opposite sides. IOW the ratio of the sin of one of the angles divided by the oppsite side is the same as all the others.

I don't see how it helps.

Gee guys, I haven't done this shit since 1983




h = xtan60 doesnt make sence.
where did you get 60?
and x and h are two un knowns
5/22/2005 6:14:39 PM EDT
[#21]

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Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, you have use trig and algebra.

h = xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3


Edited cause I don't know my cos from my tan. Rusty. It's been years, hell decades.


Yep, because if you were right under the falls the first angle would be 90 degrees.



ok i dont know what formula that is, but i know the law of sine gives hte right answer.



I can't even remember the law of sine. It's been too long, so you're WAAAY ahead of me.



law of sine gets 1557.67 feet high.

that tangent formula not only has 2 unknowns, but is set to equal the hypotonuse. why are you guys trying to figure out the hyp? he wants the hight of the falls, not the distance from where the person is, to the hight of the falls.

anyway, the hypotonuse is 1851.03 feet tall



You are way off.  

h is height of the falls or o for opposite side.

You don't use both unkowns. Solve for x using the right side of the equation:

xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3

Where x is the distance from the fall. x +1000 is the second distance.

then,

h = xtan60

solve for h.


The Law of sines BTW concerns any triangle, even oblique, with regards to the ratios btwn angles and opposite sides. IOW the ratio of the sin of one of the angles divided by the oppsite side is the same as all the others.

I don't see how it helps.

Gee guys, I haven't done this shit since 1983




h = xtan60 doesnt make sence.
where did you get 60?
and x and h are two un knowns



The first angle, at distance x, is 60 deg. The second angle at distance 1000 + x is 57.3 deg.
5/22/2005 6:18:10 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
So your standing at the bottom of a water fall, you look up to the top of the falls and for some reason you take not your angle of elevation is 60 degrees.


You go hiking 1000 feet away from the water fall, remaining at the same elevation (Okay, better yet you are on a boat and you float 1000 feet down river.

You look up to the top of the falls and your angle of elevation is 57.3 degrees.


How tall is the falls?


Cant for the life of me figger it out.

ETA: My only hunches is that you find a ratio of your angles of elevation and multiply that by the 1000 foot difference...




SOHCAHTOA...
5/22/2005 6:25:17 PM EDT
[#23]
tanR = height / distance

tan60 = h / x
xtan60 =  h

tan57.3 = h / (1000 + x)
(1000 + x)tan57.3 = h

therefore:

xtan60 =  (1000 + x)tan57.3

tan60/tan57.3 = (1000 + x) / x

1.11x = 1000 + x

0.11x = 1000

x = 1000/0.11= 9091 ft.

Therefore:

9091 tan60 = 15746ft high falls.


5/22/2005 6:48:25 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, you have use trig and algebra.

h = xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3


Edited cause I don't know my cos from my tan. Rusty. It's been years, hell decades.


Yep, because if you were right under the falls the first angle would be 90 degrees.



ok i dont know what formula that is, but i know the law of sine gives hte right answer.



I can't even remember the law of sine. It's been too long, so you're WAAAY ahead of me.



law of sine gets 1557.67 feet high.

that tangent formula not only has 2 unknowns, but is set to equal the hypotonuse. why are you guys trying to figure out the hyp? he wants the hight of the falls, not the distance from where the person is, to the hight of the falls.

anyway, the hypotonuse is 1851.03 feet tall



You are way off.  

h is height of the falls or o for opposite side.

You don't use both unkowns. Solve for x using the right side of the equation:

xtan60 = (1000+x)tan57.3

Where x is the distance from the fall. x +1000 is the second distance.

then,

h = xtan60

solve for h.


The Law of sines BTW concerns any triangle, even oblique, with regards to the ratios btwn angles and opposite sides. IOW the ratio of the sin of one of the angles divided by the oppsite side is the same as all the others.

I don't see how it helps.

Gee guys, I haven't done this shit since 1983




h = xtan60 doesnt make sence.
where did you get 60?
and x and h are two un knowns



The first angle, at distance x, is 60 deg. The second angle at distance 1000 + x is 57.3 deg.



oh crap, you're right.

lets do it this way.

C=90
c=who cares

A1=60
a1=what we want (w)

B1=30
b1=x

A2=57.3
a2=w

B2=32.7
b2=X+1000

since using hte law of sine on both of these gives...

w/sin60=x/sin30
w*sin30/sin60=x


w/sin57.3=x/sin32.7
w+1000*sin32.7/sin57.3=x

w*sin30/sin60=w+1000*sin32.7/sin57.3
.577w=.477(w+1000)
1.2087w=w+1000
.2087w=1000
w=4790.87feet

which doesnt look right
5/22/2005 6:50:06 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Ow my head hurts!



+1,000,000,000
5/22/2005 6:57:58 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
tanR = height / distance

tan60 = h / x
xtan60 =  h

tan57.3 = h / (1000 + x)
(1000 + x)tan57.3 = h

therefore:

xtan60 =  (1000 + x)tan57.3

tan60/tan57.3 = (1000 + x) / x

1.11x = 1000 + x

0.11x = 1000

x = 1000/0.11= 9091 ft.

Therefore:

9091 tan60 = 15746ft high falls.





looks good to me...
5/22/2005 7:00:26 PM EDT
[#27]
I get 15,470.7 feet.  
5/22/2005 7:10:45 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
I get 15,470.7 feet.  



That would be more correct. I dropped a few digits during my calcs.
5/24/2005 6:06:43 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
I get 15,470.7 feet.  



I confirm with this number