[ARCHIVED THREAD] - ChinaMart had a Code Adam... (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 4/30/2005 7:56:14 PM EDT
and wouldnt let me leave the store  "Those who are willing to trade freedom for security deserve neither freedom nor security." --Benjamin Franklin I understand that its a kid, but I was OBVIOUSLY alone, carrying 1000 rounds of 9mm and the Gerber Mini Covert ($34.98!). I really am starting to hate everyone (present company excluded  )
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Yes, I probably will. I wont complain when they come and demand that they search my house when there is a child missing in the neighborhood either. Pretty soon the entire country will feel that its ok to be guilty until proven innocent. Never guess you for a lib 
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So if this really happened, and you really don't agree with it - why didn't you leave? What are they going to do? Have the 89 year old greeter stop you? |
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These threads always crack me up. On one hand, everyone here bitches and whines and plays "Sad little puppy" when we hear of some poor little girl who gets taken, then is found a week later raped and murdered. But soon as that poor little kid who may be kidnapped actually AFFECTS one of OUR lives, its a big pain in the ass, screw'm, let the little kid get kidnapped, raped, beaten, murdered, thrown from a bridge so long as *I* dont get inconvenienced by it. Great stuff. 12 pages. |
No, the doors were blocked by "Security" (who was an off duty county sheriff) |
Tell him you are leaving. If he says no, ask if you are under arrest. If he say no, tell him you are leaving. Essentially I don't see where he can't do one or the other - let you leave, or arrest you. Offer to let him check your bag for the little girl. |
Exactly. |
Yeah, cause thats what I meant THIS isnt about inconvienience, its about a loss of RIGHTS. I obviously did not have blood on me, nor did I have a child with me. No one here can tell me about a raped child, I am all too aware that it happens. What I can tell you is that instead of treating everyone like a criminal, ask them for help and/or simply observe the people leaving. |
Wait, so is it loss of rights, or an inconvienence. I'll tell you. its an inconvienence. Because you havent lost your right, you can walk right the hell out the door and if they do anything you can sue the blue right out of thier Wal Mart sign. And everyone knows it. So, knowing full well you can keep a walkin out the door, what are you bitching about? You HAVENT lost your right, you were simply inconvenienced. Which brings me back to my original point. Its pretty fucking funny to see everyone act all sad about a missing/murdered child, until it actually somehow, in the SLIGHTEST FUCKING WAY POSSIBLE, might inconvience them for even as little as 5 GODDAMNED INSIGNIFIGANT minutes. |
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Well I am sorry, I normally dont disobey LEO"s (even if they are off duty). |
It is not a matter of inconvenience. Its about taking care of business. Wal-Mart wants to make money but at the same time try and protect its image and customers. Instead of doing the right thing which is provide security, and I mean real security, they keep honest people from exiting the store. Wal-Mart is not entitled to stop shit. They are a retail store, not the cops or a bank for crying out loud. The parallel is a child gets killed by an assault weapon and now 'they' want you to give up yours for the sake of the children. You give yours up so "they" feel better and although your a little inconvenienced, its okay. |
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I can only guess they want to stop everyone incase they find the kid, stuffed in a changing room or something similar and want to try stop the bad guy from getting away. Am I right? Who knows... And the only thing liberal about me is the desire to liberally kill all these sick f-ers as soon as there is no doubt they are guilty. No second chances. |
Ask some of the LE on this board. You are in detention I suspect. Investigative detention. LOL I would leave too. Piss on them. |
Wal-Mart does not have the right to detain a bag of chips at the door, let alone you unless you are under arrest. If they do arrest you, it better stick or its $$$$$$$$ for you time. (Read that lawsuit time) If it is a real LEO, the do what he says, otherwise, time to go. |
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I'm sure you would feel differently if it was your kid that was missing. I don't like being detained, but if it stopped a pedophile from leaving the store with someone's child, I would be happy to be late for whatever I had planned. If action like this caught 1 pedophile, it is worth it. |
Its obviously not to most arfcommers. Scary thought isnt it? Someones 5 minutes is worth a pedophile getting another victim. 
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| For the record no one here on this board wants to see any child hurt or killed by a bad guy, to be sure. Wal-Mart is not a investigating agency of any kind, and I don't really want them to either. If a kid goes missing, and they frequently do, detaining honest citizens won't help. In the 1930's and 40's we (LEO's) used to put out a "Dragnet" remember ? "Bring in the usual suspects" Remember ? We (LEO) can't do that anymore without reasonable suspicion or probable cause. How would you, as a citizen, like it if we brought in all white males with brown hair driving trucks in your part of town simply because that's all we had to go on ? Detaining everyone in the store, and that could be a 100 people or more, based on a missing child ? I think a little more info would be good before you start locking the doors. |
Not even remotely close with that analogy. Did you help search for the kid? ChinaMart? If you hate it so much, why do you shop there? |
Arent all individuals within immediate vicinity of a crime considered 1 of 2 types? suspects or witnesses. Well, inside a store you find out theres a missing child, and theres 100 people in the store. You now have 100 potential witness's / criminals. Should they all be allowed to just walk right out? |
+ a billion. Sheesh every single time. "Waahhhh.... my RIGHTS are violated!!! I need to get back home ASAP so I can post on a message board about how I'd go all Rambo and what super tactical equipment I would use on those mean child molestors n' sheeit if they ever crossed my path!" |
You can bet that if that happened, people here would be screeching "why didn't they lock the store down". |
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I just want to be clear, If Wal-Mart was manning the doors with security and they told me they have a missing child, I would let them look me over and look in my bag of purchases. I might even wait around for a few minutes, just for security sake. I don't mind some inconvienence. To a point. I don't want a perp to get away either, but. If I had somewhere to go and/or was busy, then I would leave. If they tried to stop me there is going to be a fight, and if they resisted, stand by for bad juju for them. Bottom line, they have no business doing it if it takes away honest citizen's rights. LEO have to follow the rules, why can't Wal-Mart ? |
Worked for that little girl in Florida... |
As I said there needs to be more information than just a report of a child is missing. Closing the doors and keeping honest citizns held at bay on the just the threat of a missing child is wrong. If they found a dead child sliced up in the bathroom, that is another story. So far all I have heard is a missing child. Monitor the doors is ok, holding people against their will is not. FWIW |
What little girl in Florida ? I'm not sure I know the case. |
Take your pick, theres been what....3? in the last few months. |
Nevermind, I know the case, the cops checked their files on known sex offenders in the area. Remember, these |
You are right, however it does have to be proven I am guilty. The concept of the presumption of innocence is one of the most basic in our system of justice. However, in so many words, it is not codified in the text of the Constitution. This basic right comes to us, like many things, from English jurisprudence, and has been a part of that system for so long, that it is considered common law. The concept is embodied in several provisions of the Constitution, however, such as the right to remain silent and the right to a jury. FWIW |
Missing child cannot be blamed on anyone but the person in charge of the child. Incompetence of a soccer mom while she was looking through nailpolish is not going to keep me from leaving the store. Too bad so sad. My heart bleeds purple piss for them. |
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i know its played out but after reading all these posts i didn't even hear one mention of the kids' parents. i think if parents were a little more responsible watching their kids, a lot of this could be avoided maybe? just a thought... carry on ETA: cheeks got to my point right b4 i did |
Another caring soul who applauds and laughs when he hears of children being murdered. Nice. |
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Adam Walsh… John Walsh's of “Americas Most Wanted” 6-year-old son. Kidnapped from a Florida department store and murdered in 1981. Call me a fascist… When a child’s life is in question I can stand a little inconvenience. |