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4/1/2005 8:05:36 AM EDT
While perusing DU I noticed a new topic stating this at 12:01

Looking for the truth.....


ETA can anyone with TV confirm this? I have no tv and it will probably take a while to reach internet news sources.
4/1/2005 8:07:56 AM EDT
[#1]
Ha ha!! April Fools!!!!!. Actually, I have no clue.
4/1/2005 8:09:34 AM EDT
[#2]
There is breaking news on Fox and CNN that his condition has worsened with no further details as of yet.  CNN says his breathing has become shallow.  I imagine he has hours at most.

Godspeed.
4/1/2005 8:15:58 AM EDT
[#3]
Apr 1, 12:07 PM (ET)

By VICTOR L. SIMPSON

VATICAN CITY (AP) - Pope John Paul II was clinging to life in deteriorating condition Friday, with his breath shallow and his kidneys not functioning properly after suffering heart trouble, the Vatican said.

"The general conditions and cardio-respiratory conditions of the Holy Father have further worsened," the Vatican said in a statement.

Earlier, it said the 84-year-old pontiff suffered massive heart problems and was in "very grave" condition, but he was lucid and spent the morning celebrating Mass and receiving top aides, asking one to read him the biblical account of Christ's Crucifixion and burial.
4/1/2005 8:16:20 AM EDT
[#4]
I heard this morning that before they could anounce his death to the public they would first have to contact all the Cardinals to have them make their way to the Vatican to vote in a new Pope.
4/1/2005 8:17:32 AM EDT
[#5]

From Drudge:



POPE HAS LOST CONSCIOUSNESS...
VATICAN SAYS POPE'S CONDITION HAS WORSENED...
POPE SUFFERING FROM HEART AND KIDNEY PROBLEMS...
Breathing 'has become shallow' and his kidney function is deteriorating...
Suffering low blood pressure...

4/1/2005 8:18:04 AM EDT
[#6]
Godspeed Papa, may you know the peace and love with Him that a lifetime of selfless service has earned you.
4/1/2005 8:19:09 AM EDT
[#7]
in the paper I have next to me it says his heart has failed.

I'm thinking he's dead. but the news this morning said he was still breathing... barely breathing.
4/1/2005 8:19:59 AM EDT
[#8]

Once cardinals start arriving, we'll
know the truth.
4/1/2005 8:20:29 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
I heard this morning that before they could anounce his death to the public they would first have to contact all the Cardinals to have them make their way to the Vatican to vote in a new Pope.



No, they will announce his death before the cardinals arrive.  In today's day and age it is simply not possible to keep something like that secret.  Better to be out front for the flock rather than keep them in the dark.  I would be surprised if the cardinals are all not in route by now anyway.
4/1/2005 8:23:20 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Godspeed Papa, may you know the peace and love with Him that a lifetime of selfless service has earned you.



Couldn't have said it any better
4/1/2005 8:26:41 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I heard this morning that before they could anounce his death to the public they would first have to contact all the Cardinals to have them make their way to the Vatican to vote in a new Pope.



No, they will announce his death before the cardinals arrive.  In today's day and age it is simply not possible to keep something like that secret.  Better to be out front for the flock rather than keep them in the dark.  I would be surprised if the cardinals are all not in route by now anyway.



i understand that...my comment was that they would be contacted before going public not actually wait until they get there
4/1/2005 8:29:02 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Godspeed Papa, may you know the peace and love with Him that a lifetime of selfless service has earned you.



Couldn't have said it any better



He is a great man.
4/1/2005 8:29:43 AM EDT
[#13]
Sorry missed that, yes absolutely.  With modern communications that is fairly easy to do.  I sadly suspect there will be announcement this evening and I rather suspect we will know a new Pope within 24 hours.  Pope John Pail II was determined to see Cardinals of like mind installed, a more conservative branch of the Church and I fully suspect there is almost a fait accompli as to whom the next Pope will be.
4/1/2005 8:30:53 AM EDT
[#14]
So who would be in charge after he dies but before they elect a new Pope?
4/1/2005 8:31:08 AM EDT
[#15]
I think he will die today.

I remember when he was elected Pope.
4/1/2005 8:31:57 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Sorry missed that, yes absolutely.  With modern communications that is fairly easy to do.  I sadly suspect there will be announcement this evening and I rather suspect we will know a new Pope within 24 hours.  Pope John Pail II was determined to see Cardinals of like mind installed, a more conservative branch of the Church and I fully suspect there is almost a fait accompli as to whom the next Pope will be.



i agree and i also would not be surprised if they have not already started to the Vatican.
4/1/2005 8:34:33 AM EDT
[#17]
damn, is this one of them "3" things? first terry schiavo and now the pope...shitty week for catholics...
4/1/2005 8:37:07 AM EDT
[#18]
As for who the next Pope will be, this is perhaps the leading candidate in my mind.

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Sorry about the ridiculous link, damn search engines!
4/1/2005 8:38:32 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
damn, is this one of them "3" things? first terry schiavo and now the pope...shitty week for catholics...



Kind of weird that the week started out with Easter.  Maybe that is the 3rd.
4/1/2005 8:39:17 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
Godspeed Papa, may you know the peace and love with Him that a lifetime of selfless service has earned you.

Well Said
4/1/2005 8:40:32 AM EDT
[#21]
aw screw it.
4/1/2005 8:41:29 AM EDT
[#22]
failing kidney and heart

also heard he was in a coma

4/1/2005 8:44:06 AM EDT
[#23]
last i heard, it will be an italian. lotta crying and wringing of hands about having non-italian popes...in italy, anyways! :p
4/1/2005 9:01:04 AM EDT
[#24]
When i was kid, my family & i went to Rome & the Vatican, he passed within 30 feet from us & he blessed our general area, i was around 9 yrs old, & i will never forget it. He is and will always be a great & honorable man who gave all he had to the world, he was the epitome of selflessness & all that is good & just in the world. There are not many people left like him in the world, with his death we will have lost a great man. May God be with him.
4/1/2005 9:09:19 AM EDT
[#25]
my grandmother and a bunch of her friends (all japanese catholics) got a private audience with jp2 and i got an autograph card with a handwritten blessing and all that (beautiful gold stationery)...he's a popular guy in our house.
4/1/2005 9:12:33 AM EDT
[#26]
He is just another man.

People die everyday.

Open your paper and read the obituaries, and tell me how you feel about all of the other people you don't know, never met, and have no idea really much about.

4/1/2005 9:18:55 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
He is just another man.

People die everyday.

Open your paper and read the obituaries, and tell me how you feel about all of the other people you don't know, never met, and have no idea really much about.






Don't like the Pope, don't post in this thread...

The Pope is as much 'just another man' as President Reagan was 'just another man'.



ETA - I'm not even Catholic, either...
4/1/2005 9:21:11 AM EDT
[#28]
This pope has been a godly man who has faithfully served Christ and his followers.  Everything he has done has been out of love for God and people.  

We are rapidly running out of the giants who brought down the Soviet Union.  Reagan is gone and soon so will JPII.  Willian Casey died years ago.  Charlie Wilson is retiring back to Angelina County Texas.  He is  in his 70's now.  Unless Lech Walensa has stopped smoking, he will likely be gone before the end of this decade.  Lady Thatcher's health isn't good.  (My God, what a marvelous world leader the Iron Lady was!)  Willian F. Buckley is pretty aged, too.

When I was a little kid, many WWII vets were still in their 30's.  They are dying 1000+ a day.  I remember when Winston Churchill, Eisenhower, MacArther, and Bradly died.

The list of Giants of the 21st Century is still pretty short.  I'll put W on the top of that list.  It's a dang shame that I won't likely get to see what is going on 50 years from now.  But, if I live to be 100 and am still able to get around, what a story I will have to tell.  Heck, I remember as a kid when we would stop and point at helicopters...they were that relatively new.

4/1/2005 9:33:57 AM EDT
[#29]
RIP
4/1/2005 11:01:54 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
He is just another man.

People die everyday.

Open your paper and read the obituaries, and tell me how you feel about all of the other people you don't know, never met, and have no idea really much about.




What world do you live in?
4/1/2005 11:22:24 AM EDT
[#31]
Many prayers for the Pope and when he passes, may he quickly go to the spot he has earned in God's Kingdom.

He will be missed.