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3/31/2005 3:08:43 PM EDT
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3/31/2005 5:58:51 PM EDT
[#1]
You should ask over on the AK side.
3/31/2005 7:59:42 PM EDT
[#2]
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3/31/2005 8:08:22 PM EDT
[#3]
I'd like to see something definitive.  Most of the "info" about 5.45 is complete, unadulterated BS.
3/31/2005 8:12:21 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
I have before without any replies.



No promise's, but I'll see what I can dig up for you.

NH, 5.45x39 Fan.....darn you CampyBob!
3/31/2005 8:14:50 PM EDT
[#5]
I have carried both in a combat zone and i have to say the 556 does a much better job at destroying rag heads than the 5.45 at close ranges.

Although the amount of abuse a AK will take is amazing.
3/31/2005 8:14:51 PM EDT
[#6]
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3/31/2005 8:16:57 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
I have carried both in a combat zone and i have to say the 556 does a much better job at destroying rag heads than the 5.45 at close ranges.

Although the amount of abuse a AK will take is amazing.




Am I confusing you with someone else, or are you the guy that people say is full of shit?
3/31/2005 8:17:54 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I have carried both in a combat zone and i have to say the 556 does a much better job at destroying rag heads than the 5.45 at close ranges.

Although the amount of abuse a AK will take is amazing.




Am I confusing you with someone else, or are you the guy that people say is full of shit?



One time i was surrounded only with my pistol and i waxed 3 of them. thats when i comandeered at enemy AK 74  worked good but i will take a M4 anyday

of course everyone knows the 9mm aint good for shit even though i was laying solid double taps center mass, once i got a hold of a rifle it was game on.
3/31/2005 8:19:05 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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I have carried both in a combat zone and i have to say the 556 does a much better job at destroying rag heads than the 5.45 at close ranges.

Although the amount of abuse a AK will take is amazing.




Am I confusing you with someone else, or are you the guy that people say is full of shit?



One time i was surrounded only with my pistol and i waxed 3 of them. thats when i comandeered at enemy AK 74  worked good but i will take a M4 anyday




Not sure that answered my question  


... or maybe it did.  
3/31/2005 8:19:38 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I have carried both in a combat zone and i have to say the 556 does a much better job at destroying rag heads than the 5.45 at close ranges.

Although the amount of abuse a AK will take is amazing.




Am I confusing you with someone else, or are you the guy that people say is full of shit?




He's not full of shit, he is fucked up from the neck up.
3/31/2005 8:20:18 PM EDT
[#11]


Think about it in a 3-D kind of way, too.
3/31/2005 8:23:04 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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I have carried both in a combat zone and i have to say the 556 does a much better job at destroying rag heads than the 5.45 at close ranges.

Although the amount of abuse a AK will take is amazing.




Am I confusing you with someone else, or are you the guy that people say is full of shit?



One time i was surrounded only with my pistol and i waxed 3 of them. thats when i comandeered at enemy AK 74  worked good but i will take a M4 anyday

of course everyone knows the 9mm aint good for shit even though i was laying solid double taps center mass, once i got a hold of a rifle it was game on.



Out of curiosity why were only armed with a pistol and where was your M4?
3/31/2005 8:27:13 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

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I have carried both in a combat zone and i have to say the 556 does a much better job at destroying rag heads than the 5.45 at close ranges.

Although the amount of abuse a AK will take is amazing.




Am I confusing you with someone else, or are you the guy that people say is full of shit?



One time i was surrounded only with my pistol and i waxed 3 of them. thats when i comandeered at enemy AK 74  worked good but i will take a M4 anyday

of course everyone knows the 9mm aint good for shit even though i was laying solid double taps center mass, once i got a hold of a rifle it was game on.



Out of curiosity why were only armed with a pistol and where was your M4?



I lost it, dont you read posts around here?
3/31/2005 8:35:35 PM EDT
[#14]
I never knew SF_Chris had a son.
3/31/2005 8:36:26 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
I never knew SF_Chris had a son.






3/31/2005 8:38:06 PM EDT
[#16]
look in the ammunition section under the AR forums, there is a tack with the info you need IIRC. If not do a search for "fackler" and 223 or 5.56 and 5.45.
3/31/2005 8:38:18 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:


Out of curiosity why were only armed with a pistol and where was your M4?



At the time i was with delta the guys who have pockets on their shoulders and i thought it would be more of a challenge to just carry a pistol.
3/31/2005 8:39:00 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
I never knew SF_Chris had a son.





3/31/2005 8:39:26 PM EDT
[#19]
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3/31/2005 8:39:51 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I have carried both in a combat zone and i have to say the 556 does a much better job at destroying rag heads than the 5.45 at close ranges.

Although the amount of abuse a AK will take is amazing.




Am I confusing you with someone else, or are you the guy that people say is full of shit?



One time i was surrounded only with my pistol and i waxed 3 of them. thats when i comandeered at enemy AK 74  worked good but i will take a M4 anyday

of course everyone knows the 9mm aint good for shit even though i was laying solid double taps center mass, once i got a hold of a rifle it was game on.



Out of curiosity why were only armed with a pistol and where was your M4?




I WAS THERE MAN I WAS FUCKING THERE,

NO SHIT THERE I WAS WALKING INTO THE COAST GUARD RESERVE BUILDING AND MAN IT WAS HELL WE WERE ALL OUT OF DONUTS AND THE AC WAS OFF.
3/31/2005 9:04:35 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
Any articles available that compare these two side by side?



There is a lot on 5.45 and 5.56 here, I'm still looking for another article.


home.snafu.de/l.moeller/military_bullet_wound_patterns.html
3/31/2005 9:17:33 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
I'd like to see something definitive.  Most of the "info" about 5.45 is complete, unadulterated BS.




Judging from the majority of posts, it seems that this thread is not a large departure from such unadulterated BS.
3/31/2005 9:18:05 PM EDT
[#23]
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3/31/2005 9:36:31 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

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I have carried both in a combat zone and i have to say the 556 does a much better job at destroying rag heads than the 5.45 at close ranges.

Although the amount of abuse a AK will take is amazing.




Am I confusing you with someone else, or are you the guy that people say is full of shit?



One time i was surrounded only with my pistol and i waxed 3 of them. thats when i comandeered at enemy AK 74  worked good but i will take a M4 anyday

of course everyone knows the 9mm aint good for shit even though i was laying solid double taps center mass, once i got a hold of a rifle it was game on.



Out of curiosity why were only armed with a pistol and where was your M4?




I WAS THERE MAN I WAS FUCKING THERE,

NO SHIT THERE I WAS WALKING INTO THE COAST GUARD RESERVE BUILDING AND MAN IT WAS HELL WE WERE ALL OUT OF DONUTS AND THE AC WAS OFF.




Hey, shitstain - there is NOTHING funny about pretending to be a combat vet when you are not.  

It is despicable, and it spits in the face of every soldier who has actually risked his life for this country!  



I cannot decide whether to pity you and your pathetic lies, or to be incredibly pissed off and go buy an airline ticket just so I can come stomp your ass into the ground!!  
3/31/2005 9:38:23 PM EDT
[#25]
No1Here:  My apologies for crapping all over your thread, but that SAW-Gunner guy just got under my skin.

I need to relax and not take the internet so seriously.  

3/31/2005 9:40:39 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
No1Here:  My apologies for crapping all over your thread, but that SAW-Gunner guy just got under my skin.

I need to relax and not take the internet so seriously.  




take a deep breath, its obviously done in jest, kinda reminds me of alot of stories i have heard
3/31/2005 9:44:01 PM EDT
[#27]
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3/31/2005 9:59:37 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
I never knew SF_Chris had a son.





3/31/2005 11:05:41 PM EDT
[#30]
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3/31/2005 11:13:05 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

Thanks again, NH_AR_Shooter.



You're Wellcome.  
4/1/2005 12:14:06 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
No1Here:  My apologies for crapping all over your thread, but that SAW-Gunner guy just got under my skin.

I need to relax and not take the internet so seriously.  




Hey, I would pay good money to see you stomp that poser with your wooden shoes !
4/1/2005 3:36:57 AM EDT
[#33]
4/1/2005 3:45:36 AM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:
once i got a hold of a rifle it was game on.



X-Box or PC?


4/1/2005 5:59:17 AM EDT
[#35]
SAW_GUNNER=



4/1/2005 6:22:49 AM EDT
[#36]
Back when I was in Vietnam we found that the 5.45 was not that good.  We captured a bunch from the VC and used them in ambushes.  That way they would hear what they thought was their own guys shooting at them and not shoot back.  That part worked real well. The problem was the 5.45 would enter and deflect and come right back out.  Once my Ranger team made a ambush in the jungle. I shot a raghead at about 50 yards the round hit him in the chest and defected completely around his rib cage and hit Lance Corpral Smith in the head and killed him on the spot.  Even though it was exactly 37 years ago I remember it like it happened yesterday. It was April 1, 1968.
4/1/2005 6:34:36 AM EDT
[#37]

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Back when I was in Vietnam we found that the 5.45 was not that good.  We captured a bunch from the VC and used them in ambushes.  That way they would hear what they thought was their own guys shooting at them and not shoot back.  That part worked real well. The problem was the 5.45 would enter and deflect and come right back out.  Once my Ranger team made a ambush in the jungle. I shot a raghead at about 50 yards the round hit him in the chest and defected completely around his rib cage and hit Lance Corpral Smith in the head and killed him on the spot.  Even though it was exactly 37 years ago I remember it like it happened yesterday. It was April 1, 1968.



UH...  You do realize the 5.45 was not introduced until 1974 in the AK-74?  The first examples the U.S. saw came from the Soviet invasion of Afganistan...  In the late '70's/early '80's.

You make make me snicker, .

Kent

ETA:  DAMN!!!  You got me!!  Stupid #@&^$%$# April 1.  
4/1/2005 7:12:33 AM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Back when I was in Vietnam we found that the 5.45 was not that good.  We captured a bunch from the VC and used them in ambushes.  That way they would hear what they thought was their own guys shooting at them and not shoot back.  That part worked real well. The problem was the 5.45 would enter and deflect and come right back out.  Once my Ranger team made a ambush in the jungle. I shot a raghead at about 50 yards the round hit him in the chest and defected completely around his rib cage and hit Lance Corpral Smith in the head and killed him on the spot.  Even though it was exactly 37 years ago I remember it like it happened yesterday. It was April 1, 1968.



UH...  You do realize the 5.45 was not introduced until 1974 in the AK-74?  The first examples the U.S. saw came from the Soviet invasion of Afganistan...  In the late '70's/early '80's.

You make make me snicker, .

Kent

ETA:  DAMN!!!  You got me!!  Stupid #@&^$%$# April 1.  




Sorry about that I couldn't resist. There were a few ridiculous items in this post.
- Ak-74 in 1968
- Lance Corpral in an Army Ranger Team
- Raghead shot in the jungle
- The whole idea of a round hitting someone in the chest circling around and hitting near the shooter. (of course some might not think that ridiculous).
4/1/2005 7:41:55 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Back when I was in Vietnam we found that the 5.45 was not that good.  We captured a bunch from the VC and used them in ambushes.  That way they would hear what they thought was their own guys shooting at them and not shoot back.  That part worked real well. The problem was the 5.45 would enter and deflect and come right back out.  Once my Ranger team made a ambush in the jungle. I shot a raghead at about 50 yards the round hit him in the chest and defected completely around his rib cage and hit Lance Corpral Smith in the head and killed him on the spot.  Even though it was exactly 37 years ago I remember it like it happened yesterday. It was April 1, 1968.



UH...  You do realize the 5.45 was not introduced until 1974 in the AK-74?  The first examples the U.S. saw came from the Soviet invasion of Afganistan...  In the late '70's/early '80's.

You make make me snicker, .

Kent

ETA:  DAMN!!!  You got me!!  Stupid #@&^$%$# April 1.  






4/1/2005 9:08:46 AM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:

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I have carried both in a combat zone and i have to say the 556 does a much better job at destroying rag heads than the 5.45 at close ranges.

Although the amount of abuse a AK will take is amazing.




Am I confusing you with someone else, or are you the guy that people say is full of shit?



One time i was surrounded only with my pistol and i waxed 3 of them. thats when i comandeered at enemy AK 74  worked good but i will take a M4 anyday

of course everyone knows the 9mm aint good for shit even though i was laying solid double taps center mass, once i got a hold of a rifle it was game on.



Out of curiosity why were only armed with a pistol and where was your M4?



I lost it, dont you read posts around here?



I do read posts around here and nowehere in this thread prior to my first post did you say you lost your M4.  

Got a link to another thread where you tell the story?
4/1/2005 12:18:28 PM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:
Got a link to another thread where you tell the story?



He lost it when he forgot to quick save after the previous mission. Happens to the best of them.
4/1/2005 12:25:38 PM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:
- The whole idea of a round hitting someone in the chest circling around and hitting near the shooter. (of course some might not think that ridiculous).



I heard a story about a Border Patrol Agent who shot a man in the chin.  The bullet went around the bone all the way to the back of his head, just under the skin.
4/1/2005 1:05:43 PM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Got a link to another thread where you tell the story?



He lost it when he forgot to quick save after the previous mission. Happens to the best of them.




 
4/1/2005 1:07:43 PM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:
The bullet went around the bone all the way to the back of his head, just under the skin.



I think gks meant that the round did this in air
4/1/2005 2:01:16 PM EDT
[#45]

Quoted:

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Got a link to another thread where you tell the story?



He lost it when he forgot to quick save after the previous mission. Happens to the best of them.




 



Classic, absolutely classic.  
4/1/2005 3:00:16 PM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:
barnaulammunition.com/sporthunting.htm

headsbunker.com/html/sar2.html

www.cruffler.com/review-march-00.html

www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/index.shtml

www.assaultweb.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=3 CampyBob is the man to ask, re: 5.45x39 questions.

www.wolfammo.com/bs_riffle_545x39.htm

www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_11_48/ai_91911779/print

www.kimdutoit.com/forum/threadsny.php?id=7264_0_40_0_C

www.ak-47.net/ak47/mk11.html

www.competitionshootingsports.com/catalogue/category2/category66/product794

www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Assault.htm

club.guns.ru/eng/barnaul.html    
Wish we could get this AP stuff, interesting read anyway.

www.jimwardrip.com/firearms/AK74.htm

I hope this helps.

NH



From headsbunker.com/html/sar2.html:



For example, if the bullet in question were fired at a bad guy coming through my window and enters through the chest, it might exit the knee, heel and elbow in three pieces. Thats one nasty path.



OK! Whatever.  See my previous post.
4/1/2005 3:33:19 PM EDT
[#47]

Quoted:


From headsbunker.com/html/sar2.html:



For example, if the bullet in question were fired at a bad guy coming through my window and enters through the chest, it might exit the knee, heel and elbow in three pieces. Thats one nasty path.



OK! Whatever.  See my previous post.



Whatever....I dont endorse everything on every link I post.
4/1/2005 6:10:23 PM EDT
[#48]
The only thing that troll lost was his mind

FREE



Quoted:

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I have carried both in a combat zone and i have to say the 556 does a much better job at destroying rag heads than the 5.45 at close ranges.

Although the amount of abuse a AK will take is amazing.




Am I confusing you with someone else, or are you the guy that people say is full of shit?



One time i was surrounded only with my pistol and i waxed 3 of them. thats when i comandeered at enemy AK 74  worked good but i will take a M4 anyday

of course everyone knows the 9mm aint good for shit even though i was laying solid double taps center mass, once i got a hold of a rifle it was game on.



Out of curiosity why were only armed with a pistol and where was your M4?



I lost it, dont you read posts around here?



I do read posts around here and nowehere in this thread prior to my first post did you say you lost your M4.  

Got a link to another thread where you tell the story?