Posted: 3/25/2005 10:22:57 AM EDT
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Warning!!! Just A What If Thread!!! Warning!!! What If SHTF in April say with the Minutemen and Mexican Nationalist/Coyotes/Mexican Imigrants (take your pick) could we see it escalating into a full blown Border War?? The Media would be all over it. Promoting their Racist accusations and reporting how all of White Southerners are Fascist. Would it be the Citizens of AZ, NM, And TX -vs- Mexico and the US. Or maybe the U.N. sending peacekeeping Troops to AZ, NM, even Texas because we are streached to thin to handle it ourselves??? Would President Bush stand with our brothers in the SW or send in the JBT (ala...Clintonistas) to silence them? Wow, And just think I donated $2500 to his re-election campagne. Grassroots Patriot that iI am. Never thought I'd question his judgement  Just a thought??? |
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If we actually had an all out war, I could see only sending certain groups of troops without hispanic ties. A significant portion of our troops are either first-generation Americans or are in President Bush's naturalization program in the U.S. Army. Furthermore, if we actually had an all-out war, we might finally solve the problem with Mexican immigration... for a while. |
LOL Actually, it was a conversation at the coffee shop "round table" this morning...We've had a very large influx of Latino's showing up here (Mexicans and Central Americans) over the past months. |
I'd post this in AZHTF but it would be locked. so where can I find some GP-Medium size MARPAT BDU's? |
| We could solve a lot of our problems in the country, if we went after the media. Maybe then, and only then, would they report the truth. Face it, until we get off our asses, nothing is going to change! More power to the Minutemen. Some times you have to brake the law,and do what is right. GOD knows, the politicians brake laws all of the time, but not for what is right. |
| I just dont understand how this could realistically happen, i guess the so called "minute men" could start murdering innocent people who are just trying to seek a better life, like our ancestors, If that happened they would sent in alphabet agencies and national guard to put it down as required. On the other hand if mexicans just started crossing over and killing americans they'd send in the army to defend our border against foreign agression. |
If you hadn't noticed, this is already happening, and all we have is .gov putting out water for the fuckers. 
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Oh, ure a native american then?
If you hadn't noticed, this is already happening, and all we have is .gov putting out water for the fuckers. I haven't noticed a military assault on the border no, some illegal immigrants have come to the USA and commited murder no doubt, but americans have commited murder in other countries, on shot a cop in britain recently, I guess they should deploy troops to stop this sort of thing. |
are you a fucking moron or do you just play one on ARFCOM? |
Illegals are already killing, raping, and robbing. Just the media doens't report it. |
Start paying attention. Google search for ("mexican army" "border patrol") |
You could argue that the Indians should have kicked our asses off the continent. But they didn't. So we're here now. I was born here; I'm a native American. I don't owe any ancestor of an aboriginal or slave anything, because I had nothing to do with that. If we don't do the correct thing and lock down the borders, we're fucked just like the Indians. |
easy for you to say on the other side of the continent. the problem is the state department is doing NOTHING |
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I have been to the border of Texas and spoken with ranchers down there myself. Most of you have no idea how undefended most of our border is. There are hundreds of miles with no one whatching it. There is an area near El Paso, where there are Semis driving across the river and getting on Interstate 10. Illegals cause millions of dollars of damage to ranchs, kill livestock, cut fences(which is a felony in Texas). They use our hospitals, go to our schools for free. The Mexico is encouraging it is due to the fact that most of the money made here is sent back to their families in Mexico. Mexico would loose a good portion of its money if we really closed the borders. Yes, we are at war on the border but guess what? We already lost... |
I agree with you, the indians should have kicked us out, but couldn't, survival of the fittest I guess, sad but true. But the fact of the matter is that we are all decended from immigrants who came here from somewhere else, mostly before there was any regulation of it. Now I'm not saying mexicans should be able to come in and set themselves on welfare, my ancesters didn't get welfare when they came here in the 1600's, they had to bust their ass, but the mexicans should be able to come here without us telling them "america is full." |
Thats damn true. Including myself.
I don't think native americans as in Indians where the first in this country. They may have been the first to setup camp and claim it but hell Indians weren't what you would call united many tribes would have had no problem watching the others die off, so the whole well you ain't native american crap is bs since native americans went to war with outher native americans over this land. Any how I am heavily medicated right now on pain bills so leave me the f alone mother f'ers 
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Except the mexicans can come here without us telling them it is full. it is called legal immigration. I just got done reading some of the stories of folks who have been harassed by illegals and I tell ya, those fuckers should be shot. Hell, I live in Alabama. You would think that we would be safe from illegals here. Wrong. The city I moved from Albertville, AL has a legal population of about 20000-30000 people. The illegals easily count for half that many. |
You are correct actaully the native americans came from elsewhere and there is evidence that the may have in fact killed off a previous people to take over, I was just using them to try to show that there was a time when we were the new guys and the person there first wanted to keep them out. |
Hard to believe that is the best thing you can find to worry about.  Our military stretched too thin? Are you serious? If so, then you obviously don't know a thing about our capabilities. Any war with Mexico would be short, decisive, and in our favor. Even with the Chinese, and the Russians backing them.  Now, the immigration, (legal and illegal) is a real and legitimate threat. Worry about it, post about it, but adding in the shooting war fantasies only waters down your credibility. |
My God. DO you have any idea of what you speak of? Do you know what it's like to deal with a huge illegal population on a daily basis? Have you seen the destruction they cause just hiking over the border? Have you ever seen the accidents, security costs, health care costs attributed to illegal immigration? Do you have any clue? Do you have any idea what qualifications "The Minuteman Project" supporters have? How about "Ranch Rescue" members? I support stemming the flow of illegal immigration traffic. If I were not otherwise engaged, I'd be there myself standing watch with a rifle. I know of one man who has more qualifications than I (outside of strictly LE) who is personally on patrol down there. He is part of a multi-jurisdictional task force interdiction team and they are way under funded and under manned. This guy is an Army reserve E-8, Military Policemen, 1st SGT of an MP battalion full time, a part time Mesa, AZ PD officer and is working with DEA, ICE, AZ DPS and the US Army National Guard and patrols the border nearly every day. He is a really good friend of mine. I am a former 11B, ABN, Air Assault qual'd, former 1st 75th Ranger batt and spent some time south of the border working for Uncle Sam. No offense, but I have some experience wrapping up bad guys and don't have an issue dropping the hammer. If our government fails to deal with an issue, citizens have often stepped in to complete the task. This has been the case throughout history. Remember reading about citizens patrolling the California coast to protect against an attack from the Japanese? Oh yeah, the government even issued rifles to them. As stated before in another thread, they wouldn't be vigilantes, they would just be 'undocumented Border Patrol Agents.' |
Count on JBT's swarming the place and making Waco look like Disney. I dont care if Bush is in charge. This is his major weak point. |
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The fat assed wannabes from America would drive around in pickups, as would the fat assed wannabes from Mexico, and they would both ineptly attempt to kill each other. In the meantime, the Feds would attempt to arrest as many people as possible while the druggies and the Mexican Army (same thing) would attempt to kill as many people as possible. Meanwhile, the press on both sides would shriek loudly and hysterically, never actually reporting a single fact, while normal people on both sides of the border would tune in and laugh at the circus. The whole thing would peter out when the wannabes realize that the desert gets fucking hot in the summer and lumber, gasping for breath, for home, leaving only the druggies, illegals, and feds on the border, which is pretty much status quo. |
This charming fellow from Stormfront is a member of the Minuteman Project:
Apparently this behavior is tolerated within the Minuteman Project. |
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Well, the most significant problem in Iraq was the number of boots on the ground.... That says something. You can't pacify a country with air power, and you can't just nuke the border. |
| Ok heres the thing, If I thought that a group like the minutemen could patrol the border like professionals, ensure our security, and keep tabs on illegals, ok, fine they are providing a service to the american people and should be thanked. But, in reality, while many of these guys might act just like this, any operation like this will certainly attract a bunch of needledick bullies that wanna go running around in camo with their fancy black rifle and push unarmed poor people around. We don't need that in america. |
Lol, change a few words and really change the meaning. |
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I sent an e-mail, supporting the Minuteman Project, to the President at the White House. For some reason, I didn't receive the standard courtesy response. My e-mails to my Senators also bounce back. Somehow, I think I made somebody's list. I suppose that informing the government that I considered the bill of rights to be non-negotiable and pointing out that our government is not supposed to have greater firepower than it's citizens may have gotten some unfavorable attention. |