Posted: 2/3/2005 7:49:51 AM EDT
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Strange human remains were found some years back in Washington state, of a non-native American, dating back some 12,000 years. The skeleton was inbeded with an arrow, which may be how he died. I have heard of several human, non-native America, reamins being found in South American dating back 10,000 + years. Do you think that some one else was here when the Native American(Indians) arrived? |
Violence is inherant inside of mankind. SGatr15 |
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The Feds buckled and allowed some 'Indians' to reclaim their dead 'ancestor'! There have been several such cases. I see no problem for anyone involved! What is the difference IF a European somehow managed to find his way to the American Northwest??!! Doesn't everyone understand that human slavery was universally practiced among the AmerIndians? So, some hapless proto-Viking from some ancient 'Vineland' was captured and passed around by his captors. Big deal. Doesn't rewrite history! Eric The(CalmAndCollected)Hun 
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Do not go down this path. Any possible history which predates the Judeo christian bible must be immediately denounced and shunned as a complete impossibility, regardless of any hard evidence to the contrary. Any talk of previous terrestrial or extra terrestrial civilization shall be regarded as pure bunk and completely and totally impossible and never have been able to happen. The bible was of course written by well learned men who understood thoroughly science, physics, astronomy, mathmatics, quantum physics, chemistry, and mass transit and space travel. It was not written by primitive folks trying to explain that which they could not understand. As long as you understand these things I've mentioned, you will do fine here. |
Not Caucasian? I thought that was the whole shebang? The whole shooting match? That some anthropologists had speculated that Kennewick Man was Caucasian? Wait! Here's a link and some snippage: "The completeness and unusually good condition of the skeleton, presence of caucasoid traits, lack of definitive Native-American characteristics, and the association with an early homestead led me to suspect that the bones represented a European settler. I first began to question this when I detected a gray object partially healed within the right ilium. CT scans revealed the 20 by 54 mm base of a leaf-shaped, serrated Cascade projectile point typical of Southern Plateau assemblages from 8500 B.P. to 4500 B.P. However, similar styles were in use elsewhere in western North America and Australia into the nineteenth century. Nevertheless, the point raised the possibility of great antiquity, while the skeleton's traits argued for the early nineteenth century. We either had an ancient individual with physical characteristics unlike later native peoples' or a trapper/explorer who'd had difficulties with "stone-age" peoples during his travels. To resolve this issue, the Coroner ordered radiocarbon and DNA analyses. "Forensic Observations "I conducted a standard forensic examination and measurements with assistance from Central Washington University student Scott Turner, and photographed the skull, teeth, and pathologies. Physical anthropologists Catherine J. MacMillan of Central Washington University and Grover S. Krantz of Washington State University examined the skeleton briefly. Kenneth Reid, Rainshadow Research, helped identify the projectile point. Kenneth Lagergren, DDS interpreted dental X-rays, and Kennewick General Hospital CT scanned the right innominate and cross-sections of longbones. AMS dating was conducted by Donna Kirner of the University of California at Riverside, who also measured amino acid composition and stable C and N ratios. Frederika Kaestle of the University of California, Davis attempted DNA extraction. "The skeleton is nearly complete, missing only the sternum and a few small bones of hands and feet. All teeth were present at the time of death. This was a male of late middle age (40-55 years), and tall (170 to 176 cm ), slender build. He had suffered numerous injuries, the most severe of which were compound fractures of at least 6 ribs and apparent damage to his left shoulder musculature, atrophy of the left humerus due to the muscle damage, and the healing projectile wound in his right pelvis. The lack of head flattening from cradle board use, minimal arthritis in weight-bearing bones, and the unusually light wear on his teeth distinguish the behavior and diet of Kennewick Man from that of more recent peoples in the region. A fragment of the fifth left metacarpal analyzed by AMS has an isotopically-corrected age of 8410 +/- 60 B.P. (UCR 3476) (ca 7300 to 7600 B.C.). Amino acids and stable isotopes indicate heavy dependence on anadromous fish. DNA was intact, but two partially-completed extractions were inconclusive. "The man lacks definitive characteristics of the classic mongoloid stock to which modern Native Americans belong. The skull is dolichocranic (cranial index 73.8) rather than brachycranic, the face narrow and prognathous rather than broad and flat. Cheek bones recede slightly and lack an inferior zygomatic projection; the lower rim of the orbit is even with the upper. Other features are a long, broad nose that projects markedly from the face and high, round orbits. The mandible is v-shaped,with a pronounced, deep chin. Many of these characteristics are definitive of modern-day caucasoid peoples, while others, such as the orbits are typical of neither race. Dental characteristics fit Turner's (1983) Sundadont pattern, indicating possible relationship to south Asian peoples. "Current Status "On August 30, four days after the startling radiocarbon result, the Corps insisted all studies be terminated and soon took possession of the skeleton. After publishing their intent to repatriate the remains to an alliance of five tribes and bands--Umatilla, Yakama, Nez Perce, Wanapum and Colville--the Corps received numerous requests for scientific study from citizens, congressmen and anthropologists. The Colville then filed a separate claim of their own. A group of internationally-known archaeologists and physical anthropologists filed suit, asserting that NAGPRA does not apply to this case and seeking the opportunity for study. The Asutru Folk Assembly, a traditional European religion, also sued for the right to determine if this individual was their ancestor. The Umatilla, who have taken the lead on the issue, intend immediate reburial in a secret location. The remains now lie in a federal repository awaiting resolution." From www.mnh.si.edu/arctic/html/kennewick_man.html and originally appeared in the "Newsletter of the American Anthropological Association." Sounds to me like someone was eager to hide any traces of a 'Caucasian' in pre-Columbian Northwest America!
Yeah, but trying to hide notable discoveries such as this one from the 'prying eyes' of archeologists and anthropologists for solely 'political' purposes is not going to increase our knowledge in any manner. You're surely not defending the AmerIndian tribes' actions in this matter, are you? Eric The(Historical)Hun
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Clovis points are identical to the spear points used by the Solutrean people of France and Spain at the end of the last Ice Age… So it seems that a group of peace loving white settlers were living happily in North America in 11,000BC when along comes these hordes of Red skinned Immigrants who took their land, killed their game and wiped them out……  Kennewick Man = Jean Luc Picard? YOU decide!  Kennewick Man  Captian Jean Luc Picard |
Damn! That's history that is so 'revisionary' that it simply must be true!  So, all those Indian Wars were probably some sort of a subconscious 'payback' to the Red Man? I like it! It surely makes John Wayne an incredibly sympathetic character in all those movies! Eric The(Palefaced)Hun
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Make it so Number One!!!
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This was found about 50 miles from my house. There is a lot of controversy over it with the Native Americans. Evidently he isn't NA which puts a 'tits in the ringer' for the NA that claim exclusive hunting and fishing rights in the area. They [NA] are suing the Federal Government to get the Kennewick man returned to them so they can give him an Indian burial but courts have rejected their claim to him. Patty |
More like they want to destroy the embarrasing archeological evidence that they may not be the true first americans like they claim… ANdy |
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We came....we saw...we kicked their asses.......and then we shoved 'em into reservations and filled 'em full of booze and welfare; we destroyed their pride and treated them like savages.............................and now it's biting us in the ass. ( I just know I'm gonna get flamed for this ) |
The Indians did that to Kennewick man and his people?  …savages!
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Well to a point I agree with you. I went to the reservation in question Tuesday and I was shocked with how 3rd world it was. I felt horrible for these people. They should be rich in history and culture but instead it's row after row of track houses whom their own cheif discribes as "the projects" Projects in Oregon? Come on!? Something needs to be done. But what? |
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Kennewick man was discovered by a drunk guy who stumbled across him by the river during the hydroplane boat races along the Columbia River. It was a real, hey hold my bear and look at this moment. They thought at first that the guy was a missing person who had been murdered, but then they carbon dated the bones and found out the guy was thousands of years old. So if it weren't for the drunk guy at the boat races, Kennewick man may have never been found. |
How about the Indians get off their ass's and take responsibility for themselves, their future and their culture and stop blaming 'the White Man' for all their ills? |
A major problem on many reservations is that some tribes will not allow banks to foreclose on property there. Wanna guess how many banks will loan money to people who live on such reservations? This is just one more example of the law of unintended consequences. |
Well agreed but we have perpetuated the problem for the past 100 years or so. I think it's time to divide the reservation up so equal land is given to true tribe members, call it a religeon and maybe give a federal tax break until graduate from college or finishing school? Who knows. It's not going to happen. We all know that. |
I went into the Yakima Reservation, words can't describe it. Pattymcn, you must not live to far from Umatilla? |
I'm about 60 miles from the town of Umatilla. I think I'm about 90 miles from the reservation. My son's basket ball team played there, so I went to make sure my son didn't say anything inappropriate and of course to cheer him on! Patty PS Chelilo isn't much better - but smaller. 
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 This is exactly how it happened. I used to live in Kennewick, and I can remember it very well... |
Prove the Bible wrong. Many have tried and all have failed. Next? |
Please! this is about our HISTORY! we are not trying to PROVE anything. just trying to figure it out. Moses asks God how old is the world? what can God tell him. Poor Moses doesn’t know what 4.6 billion years is much less time space dilation. So God doesn’t even give him a number. Some smart ass preacher tried to figure it out based on the OT. We are finding some very cool stuff. I hope we don’t destroy what we are finding like they did in the middle ages just because it makes some people uncomfortable. |
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"Before the sinking of atlantis and the rise of the sons or Arius, there was an age undreamed of..........And into this setting stepped Conan, who would rise to become king of Aquilonia by his own hand...................but that is another story" Woww! Robert Howard was right! the Hyborian age really did exsist.  PS- I also read that in south america they found skulls of peoples that more resembeled "negroid" features than Indian ones. The mystery continues............................ |
but, that's th eway of the church!! Kill and destroy all those that oppose you!! and then lie about it later. |
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Clovis points are identical to the spear points used by the Solutrean people of France and Spain at the end of the last Ice Age… So it seems that a group of peace loving white settlers were living happily in North America in 11,000BC when along comes these hordes of Red skinned Immigrants who took their land, killed their game and wiped them out…… Kind of reminds you of today. I wonder if the the "Solutrean people of France" tried to surrender?
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OK folks, ya ready for this? IT'S ALL EXPLAINED IN THE BOOK OF MORMON!!! Ye see, everybody used to be white and delightsome like 'ol Kennewick man but then the Lamanites turned evil and God made 'em red, but they can be white and delightsome too if they join the Mormon Church. h.gif= red man in the process of becoming white and delightsome = white and delightsome man |
There were Vikings 12,000 years ago? |
Welfare doesn't work. They need to embrace the free market. We need to remove anything that impedes their adoption of the free market. Welfare, etc. |
How do you prove it wrong when it is such a limited view as to the history it discusses. Proving it absolutely correct is equally as impossible. That is a matter of faith. It is undeniable however that it was a collection of documents that were written by men who had little understanding of the science of the natural world around them or the limited oral and written histories of their own people. Was it devinely inspired, perhaps. Is it a tretise on how people should treat each other, certainly. Is it the be all and end all explanation of human history, certainly not. |
You mean special treatment for one class of people? PLEASE! And since when is being another race a whole religion? Tell the indians to get over ot, they fucking lost. If they live in a 3rd world reservation then maybe they should sell the land. SGtar15 |
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The Discovery Channel had a program on some RNA research that was done on "Native Americans" that showed significant European influence about 10,000 years primarily in the Hudson River/Great Lakes area. So, the early Europeans followed the edges of the ice westward as did the relatives of the Japanese AINU went eastward. What is important is not what happened but what you make happen. wganz ¶ |
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There was a thread here a few months back, it went on for many pages, and spoke about discoveries of "man made" objects that were hundreds of thousands of years old. Such as medallions or dolls found in coal deposits. Items that were in areas known to be, by carbon dating, even millions of years old. Obviously, this didn't fit in with the way things are supposed to be so mainstream scientists ignore such discoveries. Kennewick Man presents a problem for the native americans and ofcourse they want it hushed up and there are plenty of liberal PC politicians and judges that have no problem helping with the cover-up. Look how they had to revise their thinking when they found and studied The Ice Man. But that was easy compared to the problems Kennewick Man presents. |