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Posted: 6/17/2001 8:26:45 PM EDT
I already own a Remington PSS. If you had the money, which one of these three do you think is the better choice and why? 1) Robar SR90 .308 2) Steyr SSG PIIK .308 3) Sig Blazer R93 .308 thanks, ***ptp
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 8:28:36 PM EDT
What's a "Sniper" rifle?
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 8:33:18 PM EDT
Personally, I wouldn't have a Steyr, for the simple fact that they are wildly over-priced.
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 8:34:16 PM EDT
With these three options, price is obviously not an issue...
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 8:40:39 PM EDT
I think I would pick #4 4.) H&K PSG1
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 8:43:34 PM EDT
or, 5) H+K PSG-90
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 8:47:07 PM EDT
If price is not an issue, I would take a look at the Dakota Longbow.
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 8:49:37 PM EDT
Out of the 3 the only one suitable for long range sniping is the Robar SR90. The other two are more in the line of Police tactical shooting(the SR90 is also more a police weapon but superior to the other 2). Since price is not an issue, a better choice would be the McMillan M86 in 7.62X51mm or the McMillan M86LR in .300WM, both are built on a McMillan action not a refurbished Rem 700 hunting rifle action. I have a M86 in 7.62X51mm with a 26" 1 in 10 barrel that will shoot 3/8 moa all day every day with 175 gr M118SB from 100-1000 meters as long as I do my part. Team it up with a leupold Mk4 M1 16x40mm day optic and it's hard to beat. Jim
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 8:50:57 PM EDT
I would go with the Robar. I like Styer & Sig but I think the Robar offers a little more versatility. Just my opinion.
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 8:51:25 PM EDT
True, price may not be an issue, but why pay an assload of money when you don't have to? If you want a good "sniper" rifle, all you need is an accurate and reliable rifle, which you can get for less than 5 bills. Mount a good scope, do a trigger job, add a bipod maybe, and there you have it. A good "sniper" rifle for less than a grand, which leaves a lot of cash for ammo to go to the range with.
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 8:52:34 PM EDT
My personal choice has been the Accuracy International line ie. AWP 308, AWM .338 lap mag and the AW50. I was interested in a .223 R93, but none around these partsand I hate to wait a year for a new toy.
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 8:57:41 PM EDT
PTP, of the choices you have there, for the money, go with the Blaser. Here's why: 1) Stock. It is already a good-feeling stock, with a full grip, and is fully adjustable. It is also a chassis design, allowing high rigidity and fully-floating the barrel. 2) That straight-pull bolt. If you've ever held one and operated the bolt... 'nuf said. 3) Design. The weapon is modular, so you can (money being the only object) have multiple barrels/bolt faces for several calibers. 4)Optic mount platform. This thing indexes the scope right off the barrel (no receiver/barrel misalignment to account for in your turrets). 5)It already shoots less than .5 MOA out of the box. Not bad for about $2000. It outshoots the Steyr (nice, but overpriced for what you get), and the Robar, although outstanding, is even bigger $, and usually has a waiting period.
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 9:05:29 PM EDT
I always love it when you ask a question on the forum, and people change the question so they can give the answer they want... The question, restated, says money not being an option, which OF THE THREE. ***ptp
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 9:07:28 PM EDT
None of the THREE.
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 9:11:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 9:14:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/17/2001 9:12:18 PM EDT by MelonPopper-M1A]
I didn't change anything. I stated my opinion of one of the choices, and a possible alternative. Just trying to save ya some cash, man. If you DEMAND a choice of one of those three particular rifles, I'm afraid I'd have to keep my money. None of the above.
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 9:15:44 PM EDT
Please keep in mind that the following is intended to flame no one...Most of you know that I don't hesitate to flame if it is called for, but I am not doing so here. To be perfectly honest, I am a very good rifle shot. I am more of a pistolero, but I can whup most of the guys I go against with a rifle... One thing I have noticed in my shooting travels, meeting a lot of very good shooters (Many much better then myself) is that 99% of shooters are simply not skilled enough to "out-shoot" a factory stock rifle to justify the cost of insane customization. In reallity, if a REM-700P or V won't do what you tell it to, meaning you need Robar to super-accurize a REM-700 for you, you are a rare shooter... I think guys (Myself included) have a tendancy to want the "end" in accuracy... But if your fundamentals aren't sound, it won't matter. Example? I take my $420.00 Howa 1500PCS with marginal custom work (Free-Floating, Glass Bedding, and NECO Fire Lapping all of which I did myself) and regularly kick the shit out of Rem700P's, Savage 112's, Chester 70's.... I have beaten a Steyr PSG with it I have beaten a Jarrett Custom with it The point I am making isn't that the rifles I demolish on the range with my $420.00 Howa aren't superior weapons....They are. I am simply saying that if you can't outshoot a factory stock gun, you don't need a Custom range rig. 99% of us, myself included, don't. I have shot 1/4 MOA at 100 off a bench with my dad's DPMS Sweet Sixteen, and 1/2 MOA with the Howa... So I am a good shooter... But there is nothing in practical reason that a Robar can do that your Rem700P can't... My .02 anyway GrOwingGrass
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 9:51:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 9:57:44 PM EDT
A rifle is only as good as the man using it. Having said that...I think all of the rifles that you listed are good..but they are in the "wrong" caliber. .308 is fine if you are in the military and are restricted in what calibers and bullet types you can shoot..but it is NOT the best choice. A BETTER round would be 300 WSM (ballistically the same as 300 Win Mag..but with a shorter beltless case..giving you better burn characteristics. Also good is a: 6.5-284, 7mm Rem Mag. Sniping: you are not going to be shooting a zillion rounds.....308 only makes sense if you have a spotter with you who is armed with a semi-auto rifle chambered in .308.
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 9:58:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/17/2001 9:56:33 PM EDT by raven]
I like the Sig Blaser R93 because of the quickly changed barrels from .22 centerfire up to win magnum calibers, the straight-pull bolt, and how you can pop the scope on and off without it messing up the zero.
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 10:02:50 PM EDT
The RAD tactical .308 or the M91 are cool weapons also. GG
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 10:10:22 PM EDT
None....
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 10:26:14 PM EDT
300 whisper with a suppressor [:D]
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 10:30:10 PM EDT
#4. Barret 50.cal
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 10:43:39 PM EDT
.50 BMG is hard to beat in any "Long Range Defensive Carbine", but I would NEVER use ANYTHING as udderly EVIL as a SNIPER rifle [;)] How about one of those Isreali "LRDC"(see above) rifles, basically an M21, marketed by Springfield Armory. Hell, at least you know you are getting a weapon that has proven itself in a sniper role and parts for it are easy to come by. However, it depends on how often you want to shoot it and how much $$$ you want to throw into it. Urban [sniper]
Link Posted: 6/17/2001 10:48:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cyrax777: 300 whisper with a suppressor [:D]
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Now [I]this[/I] dude has taste [:D] VIVA J.D. Jones!!!!!!! VIVA SSK!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 6/18/2001 5:56:09 PM EDT
Whatever you do remeber that you get what you pay for. Don't get an el cheapo rifle with a BSA scope and expect much from it. Great shooters shoot great guns.
Link Posted: 6/18/2001 6:37:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/18/2001 6:50:26 PM EDT
In response to the ORIGINAL question: I agree here with Boland. PTP wants to spend his $$$ and get a finely made accurate rifle. He has a chance to get one similar to the one he has already, only better made in regard to the attention to detail. Plus, he gets bragging rights, 'cuz he paid for 'em! GO for it!
Link Posted: 6/18/2001 7:30:17 PM EDT
I would Go with most Rem700's with a bluprinted action and custom barrel work. if this is not feasable i would go with a Robar SR60 ive wanted one for a long time but no i cannot get it.
Link Posted: 6/18/2001 7:51:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/18/2001 7:50:11 PM EDT by steve m]
call me weird - but i like out of the box guns. i like the steyr and the blazer. go with what feels the best in your hands ptp and the rest should come along. i have been thinking about a nice 308 bolt gun myself. i think the blazer is a nice premium place to start and besides, being a fashion victim at times, it looks very hi-tech and reminds me of the fn rig (not the police special). i think a good part of accuracy is psychological. the zen behind the trigger counts for as much as the rig itself.....(growing grass is right) myself - i am saving for a simple steyr ssg69 - though that howa is awfully cheap and tempting! best of luck and enjoy what you buy! steve
Link Posted: 6/18/2001 8:02:24 PM EDT
Get up close and personal. 18" 870 [:D]
Link Posted: 6/18/2001 8:28:45 PM EDT
.300 WSM on an AR10 Platform!, Yeah Baby! Let's do it Kurt!
Link Posted: 6/18/2001 8:38:01 PM EDT
Take the Robar.
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