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12/20/2004 8:02:31 AM EDT
I'm thinking about buying an XBox or a PS2 and need some input.


If you could only have one of these systems, which one would it be, and why?


I would love to just do it ARFCOM style and get both, but I can only afford one. Also, I'm NOT going to stuff it in its slot and post pics, so don't even ask. No dry-docking stink pickles either. Just answer the damn question already!!  
12/20/2004 8:03:11 AM EDT
[#1]
xbox
12/20/2004 8:03:46 AM EDT
[#2]
AJNTSA!


XBox!
12/20/2004 8:04:50 AM EDT
[#3]
BOTH

XBOX for Halo 2

PS2 for everything else

12/20/2004 8:04:55 AM EDT
[#4]
I've had both Xbox is great with e internal HDD, great graphics...etc!

PS2 lacks the HDD so you have to spend extra $$ for the membory module.



IMHO it's all about preference. I bought the PS2 after my 1st gen Xbox puked! So far I like PS2 better...
12/20/2004 8:05:27 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
AJNTSA!


XBox!




Ooops! I didn't know this shit had been hashed out already?



Why is the XBox superior to the PS2?


Can I get GTA: San Andreas for it?
12/20/2004 8:05:38 AM EDT
[#6]
xbox
12/20/2004 8:06:19 AM EDT
[#7]
Neither, wait till the next gen comes out, they will be far superior and will be able to play the older console's games.  The new Xboxes (atleast the most powerful of the 3 new ones) will be able to play PC games.  Keep it in mind.  Patience young jedi
12/20/2004 8:10:27 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
AJNTSA!


XBox!




Ooops! I didn't know this shit had been hashed out already?



Why is the XBox superior to the PS2?


Can I get GTA: San Andreas for it?




No San Andreas for X box yet.

That's why I picked PS2
12/20/2004 8:11:19 AM EDT
[#9]
PS2 Its the only way to fly, XBOX is cool, and I do want one, but my PS2 is great.
12/20/2004 8:11:52 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Neither, wait till the next gen comes out, they will be far superior and will be able to play the older console's games.  The new Xboxes (atleast the most powerful of the 3 new ones) will be able to play PC games.  Keep it in mind.  Patience young jedi




Will it cost less than $200?  
12/20/2004 8:12:58 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Ooops! I didn't know this shit had been hashed out already?



More times than I can count!



The main benefit of X-Box is the hardware. It's simply more powerful than PS2. That said, there is still a school of thought which believes that PS2 has more games. Numerically it may, but at least for me, 90%+ of the titles I'd be interested in are available on X-Box, so software becomes a moot point.
12/20/2004 8:13:02 AM EDT
[#12]
xbox
12/20/2004 8:16:11 AM EDT
[#13]
Don't you have to pay for online gaming w/ the XBOX (called "XBOX Live")???

Most PS2 online games are free (there are some exceptions like Everquest) as they use your existing broadband Internet connection just like a second computer connected through a switch or hub. I know some people who have highspeed Internet JUST FOR their PS2 as they don't have a computer.


Was wondering about the XBOX online thing.
12/20/2004 8:18:41 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
I'm thinking about buying an XBox or a PS2 and need some input.



Good luck trying to find either until mid-January at the earliest.  Sony stopped production of the original PS2 to produce the new slim one, but there was a month lag in production and currently most places are sold out.  The shortage of PS2's helped sell XBOX consoles, and there is currently a shortage of them as well.  I spent a significant portion of time last week at every toy and video game store in my area looking for a game, and no one had either.

Toy's R Us is out.
Best Buy is out.
Gamestop and gamestop.com is out.
Amazon.com is out.
etc.

Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
12/20/2004 8:19:26 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Neither, wait till the next gen comes out, they will be far superior and will be able to play the older console's games.  The new Xboxes (atleast the most powerful of the 3 new ones) will be able to play PC games.  Keep it in mind.  Patience young jedi




Will it cost less than $200?  



No but it will rock.  Just raid the ammo budget for a month and not go shooting.
12/20/2004 8:22:37 AM EDT
[#16]
It seems to me that many of the benefits of the Xbox are largely irrelevant because game designers don't take advantage of them.

The HDD is not really utilized very much, and I have heard that Microsoft of thinking of dropping the hard drive for the XBox 2.  

The graphics are definitely better - but many games really don't utilize them, and so it largely becomes a moot point.


What I really like about the PS2 is that it is backwards compatible, so that I can play my favorite PS1 games on it if I feel like it.  

I'm also STILL skeptical about a game system that is largely based on ONE game.  Without Hale (and now Halo 2) the X-Box would have been a dysmal failure.  I guess if you really like 1st-person shooters, then you simply have to have an X-box, but as a general system, I really like the PS2 better.

That said, I'll gladly play both.
12/20/2004 8:22:41 AM EDT
[#17]
PS2 - Free online play, Im not gonna pay for that crap.

Plus, you =get the GTA games first
12/20/2004 8:23:43 AM EDT
[#18]
x-box
12/20/2004 8:23:46 AM EDT
[#19]
I play with my real toys.....

Bride's boobs

Guns...etc...

Read...

Watch TV....

etc...
12/20/2004 8:27:54 AM EDT
[#20]
Oh, one other thing. I'm not sure about PS2, but X-Box can be used as a DVD player with a relatively cheap add-on kit.

Believe it or not, I HAVE used this feature extensively. More than as a game machine, in fact. YMMV.
12/20/2004 8:28:59 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
Oh, one other thing. I'm not sure about PS2, but X-Box can be used as a DVD player with a relatively cheap add-on kit.

Believe it or not, I HAVE used this feature extensively. More than as a game machine, in fact. YMMV.

You have to get an add-on for it with the XBox?  It comes with the PS2 standard...
12/20/2004 8:33:02 AM EDT
[#22]
Given your only two choices I would go with PS2.
12/20/2004 8:35:31 AM EDT
[#23]
PS2!!!
12/20/2004 8:36:59 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
I play with my real toys.....

Bride's boobs

Guns...etc...

Read...

Watch TV....(none of that round here)

etc...



Yup I do all that,

and Go to school, work.

And still play video games.
12/20/2004 8:37:17 AM EDT
[#25]
Any chance of Halo coming out on PS2?
12/20/2004 8:42:53 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
Any chance of Halo coming out on XBox?



110% chance.  It's out right now.

If you mean PS2, no chance in hell.  MS owns it.

Sony will be around long after x-box is dead and in the dirt, though.  So don't buy a system for one game.
12/20/2004 8:43:40 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
Any chance of Halo coming out on PS2?

You meant that, right?

I highly doubt it.
12/20/2004 8:47:09 AM EDT
[#28]
I'd get both. But XBox first and then PS2. There are some platform specific games for each one that kick ass like GTA: San Andreas (PS2) and  Halo 2 (XBox). Just my $0.02.
12/20/2004 8:47:39 AM EDT
[#29]
Personal Computer PWNS all those sissy systems
12/20/2004 8:49:05 AM EDT
[#30]
Neither.

Unless of course you want all of your time used up (that isn't already used on Arfcom), and you want to become the least productive human on the face of the earth.
12/20/2004 8:51:12 AM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Any chance of Halo coming out on XBox?



110% chance.  It's out right now.
If you mean PS2, no chance in hell.  MS owns it.

Sony will be around long after x-box is dead and in the dirt, though.  So don't buy a system for one game.



Doh!  
12/20/2004 11:41:09 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:


Sony will be around long after x-box is dead and in the dirt, though.  So don't buy a system for one game.



dude, put down the crack pipe, and walk away from it slowly.  I don't know where you've gotten this silly notion MS is gonna give up on the Xbox, but it's not based in reality.
12/20/2004 11:48:51 AM EDT
[#33]
XBOX is the best technology.

PS2 if you have kids <13 years of age....more appropriate games.
12/20/2004 11:56:36 AM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:


Sony will be around long after x-box is dead and in the dirt, though.  So don't buy a system for one game.



dude, put down the crack pipe, and walk away from it slowly.  I don't know where you've gotten this silly notion MS is gonna give up on the Xbox, but it's not based in reality.



MS does not make money selling their system.  They make money on the games, but not on the system.  They pretty much have the same games as PS, but PS has a much larger user base.  MS is going to try and get their system out first (end of next year from what I have read) and Nintendo and PS are going to come out sometime in 2006.  Sony will still be the leader and Microsoft will have put itself in the position of having the least powerful system (because they came out almost a year before everyone else).

Plus putting the money into an x-box now is crazy.  They are the most expensive and the new systems are coming soon.  We are in the end times of our current systems.

eta - x-box controllers are the worst.
12/20/2004 11:57:04 AM EDT
[#35]
PS2 is the all-around choice.

There's alot of good games that come out for PS2 that don't come out for any other systems.
The PS2 also has alot of really good kid games.

You can play DVD's without having to pay extra.

Don't believe the hype over Halo, it's not that great of a game for the amount of hype it gets.

I'd say the only thing Xbox does better is graphics.
Graphics are not everything, my friends and I will still have drunken nintendo game nights if we're bored and I swear those are the best video game times.
12/20/2004 12:00:08 PM EDT
[#36]
I've been PC gaming for so long now....I dunno.  I've played the game machines at friend's houses, and they're fun and all, but it always feels like two steps back in both graphics and depth of the game.  It's difficult to imagine going all the way back to a GeForce 3 video card and trying to game with that again.  Sure, the classic games are fun and all, but I like a good cutting edge display now and then.
12/20/2004 12:01:44 PM EDT
[#37]
Glad this question came up.  My granddaughter is 9 years old and wants a Playstation 2.

Is this the better system for her?

(Don't want to hijack napalm's thread, but maybe adult games vs. kids games makes a difference.)
12/20/2004 12:08:22 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
Glad this question came up.  My granddaughter is 9 years old and wants a Playstation 2.

Is this the better system for her?

(Don't want to hijack napalm's thread, but maybe adult games vs. kids games makes a difference.)



Get a Gamecube lots of kids games for  that system, but if she really wants a PS2 then get her that.
12/20/2004 12:08:30 PM EDT
[#39]
I use my PS2 as a DVD player way more than I use it for games.
12/20/2004 12:12:57 PM EDT
[#40]
My buddy get these chips that allow you to play all other game systems on the X-Box with it's kick ass hard drive, including PC games.
12/20/2004 12:13:45 PM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Glad this question came up.  My granddaughter is 9 years old and wants a Playstation 2.

Is this the better system for her?

(Don't want to hijack napalm's thread, but maybe adult games vs. kids games makes a difference.)



Get a Gamecube lots of kids games for  that system.....




Bingo. My little ones love (trying to) play Super Mario....
12/20/2004 12:15:10 PM EDT
[#42]
XBox is the better system.

But there are more/better games for PS2.

So get a PS2 unless you really want one of the 'Xbox only' games.
12/20/2004 12:15:14 PM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:

Don't believe the hype over Halo, it's not that great of a game for the amount of hype it gets.



Bull Shit.   Sorry, nothing else describes your point.
12/21/2004 5:14:09 AM EDT
[#44]

Quoted:
XBox is the better system.

But there are more/better games for PS2.

So get a PS2 unless you really want one of the 'Xbox only' games.



There aren't better games on the PS2 per se...I've got both systems, and unless you have to have the Final Fantasy Series, Ratchet and Clank, or MSG3, you can get almost everything out on the PS2 worth having in the last 2 years for Xbox.  

PS2 has a lot of games, no quesion, but there's a high percentage of shit there too.  Plus, there isn't a game on both systems that I've seen that doesn't look better on the Xbox, period.  Case in point, MSG3 looks like ass compared to MSG2: Substance on Xbox.  

If the PS2 developers would get off their asses and include more 480p support for games, that gap would narrow some...but I suspect it's the PS2's hardware shortcomings that account for that.  

12/21/2004 5:18:47 AM EDT
[#45]
XBOX!


Nothing else compares!   Xbox Live, Hard Drive, 4 controller outputs, highspeed ethernet, The best graphics, you can get a optical output for you 5.1 surround, and you can use the nifty headset when playing online.


Oh yea, and the #1 Reason to get XBOX so you can join the ARFCOM Halo2 Clan.
12/21/2004 5:19:33 AM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:
Oh, one other thing. I'm not sure about PS2, but X-Box can be used as a DVD player with a relatively cheap add-on kit.



Really?  Wow...that's great.   The PS2 is a pain...you have to drop a DVD in the tray and close it.

12/21/2004 5:34:48 AM EDT
[#47]
xbox2
12/21/2004 5:40:31 AM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:

MS does not make money selling their system.  They make money on the games, but not on the system.  They pretty much have the same games as PS, but PS has a much larger user base.  MS is going to try and get their system out first (end of next year from what I have read) and Nintendo and PS are going to come out sometime in 2006.  Sony will still be the leader and Microsoft will have put itself in the position of having the least powerful system (because they came out almost a year before everyone else).

Plus putting the money into an x-box now is crazy.  They are the most expensive and the new systems are coming soon.  We are in the end times of our current systems.

eta - x-box controllers are the worst.



Yes...MS makes money on the games....$100 million or so on Halo 2 the first DAY....plus the $60 Million or so a year from Xbox Live.  And $100 million plus on Project Gotham Racing, believe it or not.  Now, obviously not all of that is profit...but those are still some pretty good numbers.  

The time between releases of the PS3 and Xenon will be no more than 6 months apart...the specs of each system will have been decided by MS and Sony LONG before the production phase, so the relative power of these systems will be completely independent of one another...just because the Xenon comes out first, doens't mean it will be more/less powerful than the PS3; if we follow your logic, the PS2 should have run rings around the Dreamcast, but it didn't...far from it.  

Once again, if we follow your logic, every other car maker in the US should just shut down because GM is the world's largest corporation.  The fact remains that being number 2 in a several BILLION dollar a year market can be quite profitable.  MS now has a solid use base...not Sony's numbers, granted...but they will sell a lot of Xenons.  I'm quite sure that MS has figured out where they need to be in manufacturing costs this time around to make the system profitable...they've dropped the hard drive, and backwards compatibility *may* not be there either.  

I think the onus is squarely on SONY to come out with a system that can go toe to toe with Xenon in the hardware department.  They've skated on the woefully underpowered PS2 for it's product life...but if they end up sucking hind tit again, they'll be looking at MS's dust.  The only thing that could save them is backwards compatiblity, but I really don't know how big of an issue that is.  And, even if you're using some sort of emulator technology like MS is thinking about, it adds $$ to the production costs of the system.  

I know a lot of people who've sold their PS2 to get an Xbox...I don't know anyone who's sold their Xbox to get a PS2.  

In any event, you still haven't given a cogent argument as to why you think MS won't be around, dude...and you're being a fellow Raiders fan will only get you so much slack
12/22/2004 5:49:56 AM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:
XBOX!


Nothing else compares!   Xbox Live, Hard Drive, 4 controller outputs, highspeed ethernet, The best graphics, you can get a optical output for you 5.1 surround, and you can use the nifty headset when playing online.


Oh yea, and the #1 Reason to get XBOX so you can join the ARFCOM Halo2 Clan.




w00t!

You don't need a n00b like me slowing you h4x0rz down, though.
12/22/2004 12:33:22 PM EDT
[#50]
Has anyone ever actually found another clan member online?  I tried a couple of times, but gave up.