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12/12/2004 5:39:19 PM EDT
Tell me about FALs, im thinking about getting one but I dont kno wmuch about them.  Are they accurate?  Are they reliable and durable?  What are the best brands?  Are ones made from part kits any good?
12/12/2004 5:40:37 PM EDT
[#1]
Check the FAL Discussion Forum...good info

www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=7
12/12/2004 5:44:47 PM EDT
[#2]
All the experts are here:

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/index.php
12/12/2004 6:05:01 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Tell me about FALs, im thinking about getting one but I dont kno wmuch about them.  Are they accurate?  Are they reliable and durable?  What are the best brands?  Are ones made from part kits any good?



DSArms....The Finest FAL's Ever Made.....Period. (LINK)

There are PLENTY of places to buy a well made FAL. The Belgium FAL's are classics, nicely made too. The Austrian STG's are outstanding as well. The Israeli's made some real nice FAL's.

If you want to know more about the finest FAL's ever made, click the link above. DSA uses the tooling from the original Austrian STG's, from Steyr. They added modern machining processes, improved materials and they are built under a LOT closer quality control than any FAL ever mass produced. Many tout the Belgium FN FAL's as the best ever made....and that is simply wrong.

The DSA SA58 line is as good as FAL's get. Period.
12/12/2004 6:08:07 PM EDT
[#4]
Not cheap those DSA rifles.
12/12/2004 6:10:21 PM EDT
[#5]
FAL's are like crack
12/12/2004 6:15:13 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Not cheap those DSA rifles.



No, not cheap at all...but....DSA STG58's, the DSA Austrian models, are a lot less and are impecibly made. Maybe $900 for one, and lots of people like them every bit as much as the SA58's.
12/12/2004 6:34:17 PM EDT
[#7]
Can you tell me more about the Austrian FALs?  The one im looking at has a DSA reciever and to me it looks like it has an Austrian upper.  Are Austrian uppers well made?
12/12/2004 6:36:49 PM EDT
[#8]
Wow I never knew DSA was better than an true FN
12/12/2004 6:37:15 PM EDT
[#9]
Austrian uppers are good ones.
Look in the EE, there are some for sale. I have an Imbel in there with a pic.
12/12/2004 6:41:10 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
FAL's are like crack



Indeed, but build one yourself.
12/12/2004 6:49:54 PM EDT
[#11]

Austrian uppers are good ones.
Look in the EE, there are some for sale. I have an Imbel in there with a pic.



Have a link?

12/12/2004 6:51:25 PM EDT
[#12]
FAL
12/12/2004 6:54:28 PM EDT
[#13]
12/12/2004 7:55:03 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Wow I never knew DSA was better than an true FN



Now you know. And don't go away thinking this is a matter of opinion, it isn't. It's a fact.

Better materials, better manufaturing, better attention to detail, better tooling, better technology...the works. FN's are great guns, no dount about that. They're just not as good as a DSA SA58. FN's were made on tooling that is now, frankly, out dated. They were made to be mass produced, not crafted by individuals.

DSA's are made with the highest degree of attention, the most modern FAL production systems, and the advantage of NOT having to crank'em out by the truck load to meet international military demands. Take your pick, detail/materials/technology....DSA is the best. Fact.
12/12/2004 7:58:01 PM EDT
[#15]
I would love to see a DSA outshoot a 50.63

Not just on paper but a good stress test as well.

Im not saying DSA sucks but they are not as good as a true FN or Steyr
12/12/2004 8:00:30 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
I would love to see a DSA outshoot a 50.63

Not just on paper but a good stress test as well.

Im not saying DSA sucks but they are not as good as a true FN or Steyr



And you need to do your homework, because that statement is flat out untrue.
12/12/2004 8:02:36 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
I would love to see a DSA outshoot a 50.63

Not just on paper but a good stress test as well.

Im not saying DSA sucks but they are not as good as a true FN or Steyr



P.S. - Steyr's were better made FAL's than the FN guns.
12/12/2004 8:05:37 PM EDT
[#18]
I have always wondered do you say Fal or Ef-Ay-EL?
12/12/2004 8:05:55 PM EDT
[#19]
Yeah I know
Steyr kicks ass as im sure we will agree but I still beleive a 50.63 will outdue a para congo
12/12/2004 8:07:04 PM EDT
[#20]
I'm in the process of building my own from a STG-58 kit from DSA, with an Imbel Series III receiver.

Add a handful of parts form DSA to make it compliant with federal laws and then assemble and it'll be great.

I've got the paperwork on the receiver starting (and the parts from DSA are shipping) next week.

I'm so excited I've been holding the lower and imagining what it will be like assembled.
12/12/2004 8:11:21 PM EDT
[#21]
tag
12/12/2004 8:13:09 PM EDT
[#22]
Take a minute to read this article from S.O.F. after they conducted their own tests on DSA FAL's. From cryogenics to hand lapped barrels, the bottom line is as I've stated.

Don't get me wrong, the STG's and the FN's are GREAT weapons...and forever truly awesome battle rifles. They were simply built in an earlier era, under a mass production format, with less attention to detail.

DSA essentially handcrafts FAL's with the most current, high tech tools & materials available. Their weapons are expensive for a reason....they're the best ever made.

Soldier Of Fortune Testing Of DSA SA58 FAL's.............................(.PDF LINK)

"DSA’s SA58 is, without doubt, the finest
and most accurate FAL-type rifle ever produced.
All of the many machined parts and
subassemblies and its precision assembly
add to the cost of its fabrication."

"However, an extensive market for caliber
7.62x51mm semiautomatic battle rifles still
exists in the United States, especially in the
civilian arena, where many still perceive the
wound ballistics potential of this round to be
superior to that of the 5.56x45mm cartridge.

Realizing this, Dave Selvaggio of DSA
Inc. manufactures FAL-type rifles fabricated from components
now made almost exclusively by
DSA Inc. at their plant facility in Barrington,
Ill. Ironically, these are without doubt the
very best FALs ever produced." - Soldier Of Fortune, Oct. 2000
12/12/2004 8:13:57 PM EDT
[#23]
Avoid Hesse Receivers on the FALs
12/12/2004 8:24:58 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
Take a minute to read this article from S.O.F. after they conducted their own tests on DSA FAL's. From cryogenics to hand lapped barrels, the bottom line is as I've stated.

Don't get me wrong, the STG's and the FN's are GREAT weapons...and forever truly awesome battle rifles. They were simply built in an earlier era, under a mass production format, with less attention to detail.

DSA essentially handcrafts FAL's with the most current, high tech tools & materials available. Their weapons are expensive for a reason....they're the best ever made.

Soldier Of Fortune Testing Of DSA S858 FAL's.............................(.PDF LINK)

"DSA’s SA58 is, without doubt, the finest
and most accurate FAL-type rifle ever produced.
All of the many machined parts and
subassemblies and its precision assembly
add to the cost of its fabrication."

"However, an extensive market for caliber
7.62x51mm semiautomatic battle rifles still
exists in the United States, especially in the
civilian arena, where many still perceive the
wound ballistics potential of this round to be
superior to that of the 5.56x45mm cartridge.

Realizing this, Dave Selvaggio of DSA
Inc. manufactures FAL-type rifles fabricated from components
now made almost exclusively by
DSA Inc. at their plant facility in Barrington,
Ill. Ironically, these are without doubt the
very best FALs ever produced." - Soldier Of Fortune, Oct. 2000





You left this out from page 46 at the bottom right.

"In my opinion, the SA58 is
arguably the highest quality and most reliable
FAL-type rifle ever manufactured."



Sorry still not fact.
12/12/2004 8:55:36 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
I have always wondered do you say Fal or Ef-Ay-EL?




both ways according to Tales of the Gun. but then again so-called "documentaries" even on history channel, still tend to be a bit off.



I say Ef Ay El
12/12/2004 8:55:54 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
You left this out from page 46 at the bottom right.

"In my opinion, the SA58 is
arguably the highest quality and most reliable
FAL-type rifle ever manufactured."



Sorry still not fact.



You suffer from a lack of knowledge, and there's nothing I can do about that. Think what you like, facts remain facts, whether you choose to see them or not. You have yet to point out ANYTHING to support your position of the FAL's you claim are better and WHY they're better. In addition to the article I referred to, I pointed out where DSA has the rest beat in a number of areas. If you care to address those points specifically, feel free. Otherwise, you've got nothing.
12/12/2004 9:00:22 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
You left this out from page 46 at the bottom right.

"In my opinion, the SA58 is
arguably the highest quality and most reliable
FAL-type rifle ever manufactured."



Sorry still not fact.



You suffer from a lack of knowledge, and there's nothing I can do about that. Think what you like, facts remain facts, whether you choose to see them or not. You have yet to point out ANYTHING to support your position that the FAL's you claim are better and WHY they're better. In addition to the article I referred to, I pointed out where DSA has the rest beat on a number of areas. If you care to address those points, feel free. Otherwise, you've got nothing.



I may have nothing, but that's probably cuz I don't really give a damn. From what you've posted so far all you have is an article that states another persons opinion. And wether or not you want to admit it that is all it is.
12/12/2004 9:13:27 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
I may have nothing, but that's probably cuz I don't really give a damn. From what you've posted so far all you have is an article that states another persons opinion. And wether or not you want to admit it that is all it is.



No, I pointed out specific, factual differences between DSA's weapons and their maunufacturing, from the FAL's you mentioned and I stated why they were better. You did nothing but repeat yourself without including anything what so ever to support your opinion.

In addition, the "opinion" you keep going back to, the one of the write-up I linked to from S.O.F. That was written by Peter G. Kokalis. He knows more about small arms of the world than you know about breathing. So discount it if you choose, but to brush off the words of a renound expert is flat out stupid.
12/12/2004 9:14:10 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
I may have nothing, but that's probably cuz I don't really give a damn.



Class dismissed.
12/12/2004 9:14:53 PM EDT
[#30]
Here I'm clapping for ya can you here it?

12/12/2004 9:18:36 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
Here I'm clapping for ya can you here it?



How'd you manage to clap with those balls resting on your face??
By the way, if it's not yet obvious, you've been........


Here it is one more time for ya.....though you come off like a Hesse guy to me.

DSArms............................

Though you should probably stick with this.......................................