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12/1/2004 9:46:33 AM EDT
I served in the early 70's. The first day on the job I raised my right hand and swore to defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. I got into a discussion the other day with another vet and he mentioned he does not remember being released from his oath, neither do I. Is there anyone here that was every told you are now released? If so are you still obligated to defend against domestic enemies?
12/1/2004 9:51:28 AM EDT
[#1]
I've wondered about the same thing. I guess when you ETS you are released from everything except inactive reserve but I never saw anything saying I was released from that.
12/1/2004 9:57:33 AM EDT
[#2]
Unless you renounce the oath, you are still bound by it.
What stops a citizen from defending us, for that matter.
I would say the oath stands for life.
12/1/2004 9:58:34 AM EDT
[#3]
Keep it until death.
12/1/2004 10:04:46 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Keep it until death.



Hooah!

An oath doesn't have an expiration date. An oath is a solemn vow.
12/1/2004 10:07:52 AM EDT
[#5]
You do know that there are no "ex" marines, only marines no longer serving active duty.
12/1/2004 10:08:52 AM EDT
[#6]
Good answers. I agree.
12/2/2004 4:24:43 AM EDT
[#7]
Okay I'm not trolling just trying to sort things out.

Domestic enemies:

1. Those that want to bring religion into the government.
2. Gun control forces.
3. Those that would limit our speech under the guise that it is hateful and purpose to incite others.
(the PC crowd)

However much I agree or disagree with them I did take an oath.

In some totally screwed up and sick way didn't the OK. city bomber by declaring war on the feds and attacking them was he not acting on his oath.

Ann Coulter by wanting more religion in government.

The people that created a inflated market for MG's

People that tell you not to say things because you may offend a portion of the population.

This is not a TROLL POST just a post to stimulate disscussion.

12/2/2004 4:28:38 AM EDT
[#8]
Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist - not a freedom fighter.
12/2/2004 4:34:12 AM EDT
[#9]
I agree it was his sick perception of a problem. In his mind he was taking revenge for Waco.
12/2/2004 4:37:14 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Keep it until death.



Hooah!

An oath doesn't have an expiration date. An oath is a solemn vow.



The Corps to which I gave my oath released me from it. I have a certificate right on my wall, signed by a general, which says I "was Honorably Discharged from the United States Marine Corps". A discharge releases me from my obligations to the entity discharging me.
12/2/2004 4:38:42 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Okay I'm not trolling just trying to sort things out.

Domestic enemies:

1. Those that want to bring religion into the government.



No.  There is nothing wrong with religion "in government," in fact, it's there, daily.  The problem would be an official state religion or unjustly prohibiting the practice of religion.
12/2/2004 4:41:18 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Domestic enemies:

Ann Coulter by wanting more religion in government.




When you take over, may I be the one to punish Ann?  I swear to make her rue the day she had internal organs.
12/2/2004 4:41:39 AM EDT
[#13]
Yeah, it's a tough call for me as I am the christian Taliban.
12/2/2004 4:55:21 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Okay I'm not trolling just trying to sort things out.

Domestic enemies:

1. Those that want to take religion out of government.
2. Gun control forces.
3. Those that would limit our speech under the guise that it is hateful and purpose to incite others.
(the PC crowd)

However much I agree or disagree with them I did take an oath.




Fixed it for you.

Sept 2004. Need I say more???
12/2/2004 4:57:58 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Okay I'm not trolling just trying to sort things out.

Domestic enemies:

1. Those that want to bring religion into the government.



No.  There is nothing wrong with religion "in government," in fact, it's there, daily.  The problem would be an official state religion or unjustly prohibiting the practice of religion.



I beleive in seperation of church and state. I do not beleive in seperation of God and state.
12/2/2004 5:04:07 AM EDT
[#16]
oops!
12/2/2004 5:06:09 AM EDT
[#17]
I don't need to have made no "stinking" oath for me to defend my country against enemies,foreign and domestic! Oath or not,that is OUR duty as citizens of a free country
12/2/2004 5:08:12 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
I don't need to have made no "stinking" oath to defend my country against enemies,foreign and domestic!



Neither do I, but it sure helps.

For those that have never seen the oath of enlistment. I'll let one of the "O's" post theirs


"I, ,<state your name>, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
12/2/2004 5:10:40 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Okay I'm not trolling just trying to sort things out.

Domestic enemies:

1. Those that want to bring religion into the government.



No.  There is nothing wrong with religion "in government," in fact, it's there, daily.  The problem would be an official state religion or unjustly prohibiting the practice of religion.



I beleive in seperation of church and state. I do not beleive in seperation of God and state.



And now this shit goes all down hill from here....
12/2/2004 5:10:46 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
Okay I'm not trolling just trying to sort things out.

Domestic enemies:

1. Those that want to bring religion into the government.



Let's differentiate between those who are guided by the moral principles of their faith and those who want to force conversion, OK?


2. Gun control forces.


Including those who would trample the rest of the BoR.


3. Those that would limit our speech under the guise that it is hateful and purpose to incite others.
(the PC crowd)



Charlton Heston called political correctness "Tyranny with manners."


In some totally screwed up and sick way didn't the OK. city bomber by declaring war on the feds and attacking them was he not acting on his oath.


I'm not sure what you meant to say, but there are those who viewed the minions of the Clinton regime as domestic enemies.


Ann Coulter by wanting more religion in government.


I don't think you really understand Ann.  


The people that created a inflated market for MG's


aka, the .gov thugs who interfered with the demand/supply in the market.


This is not a TROLL POST just a post to stimulate disscussion.




Discussing!
12/2/2004 5:12:19 AM EDT
[#21]
No apology is every needed by a person who stands up to be counted. It is the wishy washy people who blow in the wind that apology is needed. How can you trust someone like that, they should apologize for being hatched.
12/2/2004 11:04:57 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
Okay I'm not trolling just trying to sort things out.

Domestic enemies:

1. Those that want to bring religion into the government.
2. Gun control forces.
3. Those that would limit our speech under the guise that it is hateful and purpose to incite others.
(the PC crowd)

However much I agree or disagree with them I did take an oath.

In some totally screwed up and sick way didn't the OK. city bomber by declaring war on the feds and attacking them was he not acting on his oath.

Ann Coulter by wanting more religion in government.

The people that created a inflated market for MG's

People that tell you not to say things because you may offend a portion of the population.

This is not a TROLL POST just a post to stimulate disscussion.




Too late Dude, religion has been there from the beginning.  

It amazes me that because we have a President who admits he prays, now all the sudden we are a country of religious zealots.  

You can say anything you want, you just have to live with the consequences.  It is the latter part of the first sentance that people have the problem with, they think that freedom of speech also means freedom from consequences, sorry.

I have taken two oaths in my lifetime, the first was to my country, the second to my wife, I take both very seriously and literally.

I think the OK City issue is a clear case of not only murder but treason, they should have been publicly hanged.
12/2/2004 11:22:36 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Keep it until death.



Hooah!

An oath doesn't have an expiration date. An oath is a solemn vow.



The Corps to which I gave my oath released me from it. I have a certificate right on my wall, signed by a general, which says I "was Honorably Discharged from the United States Marine Corps". A discharge releases me from my obligations to the entity discharging me.




Your certificate was a release from active duty not your obligation.