Posted: 11/23/2004 7:41:53 AM EDT
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I am really getting pissed off in my attempt to order some hi-cap mags. I pre-ordered 6 each of Glock 21 mags and Ruger steel lip 10/22 mags. I called today and was told they are still on back order. The place I ordered the Glock mags is back ordered 1600+ mags and the lady told me they are trickling in at the rate of 10 to 12 mags a week. WTF? The Ruger mags are also impossible to get. This is typical of the ignorant, stupid people in the firearms industry. They cry because their sales are down, but they never have anything in stock that people want. These idiots KNEW the A/W ban was going to expire and STILL they did nothing to increase output. Anyone else pissed off about this? |
| Its hard to say that they knew that the AWB was expiring when there were plenty here who didn't believe that it was going to happen until it actually did. Should these companies have added manufacturing capactiy without knowing for certain that the ban would expire? If it were my company, I would have waited until after the elections to make sure that Kerry and the Dems didn't take control as that would surely mean another ban. Now that the political envrionment is secure for the time being, I think you can expect these firms to expand capacity. It will just take a little time. |
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No. They also didn't want to start making mags, only to have a mag ban, or something else stop full caps from being saleable again. Not to mention they would be violationg the law if they didn't stamp "LEO/GOV only" on mags made before the ban ended. Some mags may not have been made during the ban, so adding that stamp would have needlessly driven up costs. They just might have felt that mags stamped that way might cause problems for thier customers at some point. |
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My other point in this topic is that people in the gun industry, from manufacturers to distributors to your local gun shop are pathetic businessmen. How many times have you gone to your local shop in search of something and they didn't have it in stock. Then they give you the lame excuse that they "had three of them but they sold real quick." You had three of them? Why didn't you order 100 of them if they're such a hot item? These people need to sharpen their business skills along with their gun knowledge. Rant mode off... |
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I purchased my reg-cap G22 15 round mags at a local gun show. I paid about $22 each I believe - I bought 3. That was a little more than what I could have bought them for online (w/o shipping figured in) but it was more than worth it for me to have them then and not to have to wait on them. On the firearms store business owners topic... From what I have seen I have been threatening to open a store in a couple of years (when I have the $$$). Ive threatened to open a gun store or a wine/cigar/men's gift store. I am always struck at the poor customer service and lack of inventory. Example: I asked a gun store to find out price and wait time on a Bushy M4-gry. Two and a half weeks later I have heard nothing from them. I called once and was told "we don't know anything." I went by and was told the same thing. When I pointed out the note on the wall that I wrote for them with what I wanted I was told again "I don't know anything about that." I said "Can you check?" and was told "I don't think anyone knows anything about that." I don't see how this place stays in business. That was a $1,000 sale lost. This store is located appx 4 miles away, the next closest store (of any size w/ stock) is appx 20 miles away and I will take all my business to the other store. In fact I will buy as much as I can now either online, at gun shows, or back in my home state of SC at my favorite gun store when I am in town. Oh well...rant off... |
Actual conversation between me and a gun/archery shop OWNER. Me: Do you have any cheap practice arrows splinded for a 50lb compound bow? Something I can afford to lose? Owner: I get two or three calls for those EVERY DAY!..........No I dont have any! Me: Ahhhh.............ok............. See ya! (Muttering under breath) |
All they had to do was have "work in progress" mags. You have them ready to go, if the Ban sunsets. If it doesn't, you stamp them LEO and sell them that way. Not hard to do |
I beleive the listed mags ar both plastic, so stamping after completion isn't an viable option. |
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Some of you guys should own your own business and you'd see for yourself why stuff isn't just stacking up on the shelves. I don't blame the Firearms Industry one bit to causiously wait until the AWB to expire to ramp up their production of mags. Politics aside, customers can be very fickle, and not everyone is jumping to buy these mags as you would be led to believe. I can patiently wait. |
Exactly. While it sucks for us that there aren't enough mags to fill the demand, companies who produce mags would have been making quite a bet by producing them before confirmation of the ban not being renewed, at least for a while. Personally, I'll just wait it out. Who cares? I can still shoot without these mags. On the other hand, I have a ton of hi caps... |
Which adds cost to the product, that won;t be needed by simply waiting until the ban ends. Also "heat stamp", which probably requires the purhaces of extra equipment, may be doable to the Glock mags. But most 10/22 mags I have seen are see through, that stamp would likely damage the mag body material. You can point out a million ways "it could be done", and everyone of them is likely to add cost to the product. Waiting until the ban ended was apparently the most efficient, and legally acceptable way to go. The bigger issue IMHO is the "I NEEEEED ITTT NOW, NOW, NOW................." mindset. Is it here yet? What about now? C'mon, now? |
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I would guess that if you post a Want to Buy add somewhere on the www and was willing to let the seller make a decent profit you would have the items you want in 1 day. I would also guess that you wanted to deall with the lowest dollar bidder on the items who wanted to work off your money till they get the mags, rather than letting someone who stocked the magazines make a livable profit. The quickest way to make a million dollars as a gun dealer is to start with 2 million and then deal with the public. |
Nice to see the lower prices, but I don't know about buying new mags for only +2 rounds over the "post-ban" 10rnd mags. The jump for my Glock 22 was from 10 to 15, so I stocked up. |
well you can tell me your soob story when a few things happen. 1. wholsalers stop publishing whosale prices in shot gun news and other outlets. 2. the margin on fire arms and other items is 40 to 100% above wholesale not the typical 5 to 10 % 3 you support your local ffl's on a regular basis.(I know some of you do) 4. I learn how to type. if these things happen they might have some capital to invest in stocking some items. but the way things are now your lucky to make 10% on a sale of a firearm. with magins like that were lucky to have any gun shops at all. well any way having been on both sides of this issue I agree with both sides 
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I suspect that is true. It seems with "tales of the FFL" stupidity abounds on all sides. I want Wal-Mart like prices, with Tiffany type customer service................. and everything need to be in stock. |
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Look, all I want to know is: 1) What is the ETA on the channel filling with fullcap mags? 2) When will sellers decide to cut their losses and price former "preban" rifles as regular used rifles? I have a feeling the NY and Kali bans are causing us all a problem because there is mass confusion and heterogeneous supply chains now. And Kali is still the biggest market for shooting stuff in general (what is it? 1/7 of the US economy or something like that?). So something over 1/7 of the US is screwing us all to hell and back. |
sad but true 
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Um, they were already making high cap mags for LEO. So whats to stop them from selling those mags to you? Answer: Nothing. The only thing I can think of is that they don't want to sell mags stamped LEO to non LEO. For whatever reason. But would it really be all that hard for them to make the mag, and then not stamp it LEO? |
I suspect, the "stamp" is actually part of the mold. Also NO full cap 10/22 mags were made during the ban AFAIK, so I don't think they were willing to start cranking them out, 1 second before they were legal to own. I think stamp, non-stamp is concern over legal issues, return of ban, restricted item mismarking etc. |
| Most manufacturing companies have a policy not to make anything until there are firm orders. That is why there is a shortage of Beretta 92 mags in the Middle East, and there is a shortage of mag in the USA. It gets to the point if you make a mistake in ordering too many of anything, it could be fatal. It takes time to set-up the machinery to make the mags. |
