Posted: 11/10/2004 3:33:40 PM EDT
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I have my knight 50 cal sighted in using 260 gr. lead sabots ( they came with it in a value pack) What kind of differences should I expect to see switching to barnes MZ expanders 250 gr. copper sabots. Will my POI be noticeably off with the 250 gr sabots? Shoot higher / lower? Or will they more than likely be the same? Im gonna try to get a few shots off with it this week, as firearms season opens up here in Indiana, and my muzzy has always been mine weapon of choice as it has far superior accuracy to my 12 gauge. Thanks. |
| It should be pretty close with only a 10 grain difference in weight, especially at muzzleloader ranges. Try a couple of shots just to make sure, sometimes a difference in sabots can make a big difference because of how tight or loose they fit in the bore. Good luck! |
+1 Shoot 2 or 3 rounds just in case |
| Nothing to do you your thread,but i seen a guy shot his muzzleloader today.He shot at 100 yards,on a windy day(real windy). His two shot,that I seen,were 2" left of the bulls eye.One was a little lower. Hey, I though that was just lovely. Thats one hell of a gun.It was sweet ,you could here the gun fire,and then the slug hit the target. |
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Well, mine is very accurate and sighted in at 100 yards with the standard sabots that came with it. However I just recieved my order from cabelas (Barnes MZ expanders) but Im not sure if I will have the time to make it to the range before opening day of deer season here in IN. to see how well they shoot, and make any necassary adjustments. If I cannot make it to the range today or tomorrow, I will simply stick with what it is sighted in with, as I do not want to place a bad shot on a deer. |
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I shoot a T/C Encore, with 100gr powder, 2 50gr pellots, and a 240gr T/C XTP sabot. From a rest, at 100 yards, I can shoot a 4 shot group, under 2in, that is good enough for me. I have on occasion, from a rest, with the same load, same distance, shot 2 shots, that allmost went through the same hole. that is 2 shots, at about 3/4 of a inch. Got to love modern muzzle loaders....... |
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Easy way to find out: Do the math. s=sqrt(ut+(1/2a(t^2))) s= vertical displacement, u= initial (muzzle) velocity, a= -9.81meters/second^2, t= time t= u/d d= horizontal displacement This is, of course, ignoring air resistance, but I'm afraid I don't quite know how to factor that into a ballistics equation. |
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Yeah, my muzzie blows my 12 gauge (scoped) with fully rifled bbl away. If I have to shoot 100 yards or longer Sat. morning, Id much rather have my muzzie in my hands than my 12 gauge.hardly |
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Hmmmm.....here are the FIRST people I've EVER seen that like sabot rounds and think they're accurate. I've never tried them-mainly because everyone else I know that has a frontstuffer and HAS tried them thought they were absolute shit. I have a .50 and I use the Lyman Great Plains HPs and get 2"-3" groups at 100 yards with iron sights and 1 1/2 power loads. (My .50 is a Cabela's Hawken, made in Italy) |
And what were these people shooting the saboted rounds in? 30" barreled Kentucky rifles? |
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Nope. Two guys (back in Missouri) had Hawken brands, one a .50 and another a .54. These guys KNOW their way around guns. My neighbor has a scoped Lyman-I think-.58 and he has sworn off sabots also. I'll admit that the two friends in MO tried sabots when they first came out on the market, but my neighbor here in AZ stopped trying them 2 years ago when he had a flier when shooting at an elk. |
Dont drop a Burley-Turd and just walk away son!!!   You have to explain what you mean by that statement.
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| I have a TC black diamond inline 45. You have to have I think a 1 in 28 twist at least in order for the sabots to shoot pretty good. The slower twists are for buffalo bullets or round balls. As for powerbelt bullets I have better luck with the regular sabots. They shoot good enough for deey hunting say from 150 yrds in. But I hate shooting my muzzel loader so dam messy to clean, even with the tripple 7 pellets. Oh well what are you going to do though? |
And that explains it all right there. Wrong bullet for the barrel. Try shooting a round ball out of an inline. Won't do too good, will it? Rate of twist is too fast. The rate of twist in those guns was too slow for the saboted rounds. Most saboted rounds are inclined towards twist rates between 1-20" to 1-30". |
CVA guns are made in Spain. For some reason, the barrels are not proofed to maximum pressure, but rather just some abritrary number. Yet CVA (or BPI, as all CVA is is a name for a distributor) insists that their guns can handle the pressures generated by 150 gr. loads. There have been numerous reports floating around on the internet about ruptured CVA barrels. Just enough to float under the radar though. Myself, I would never trust my life to a CVA gun. There are much better guns out there for a few dollars more. |
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That would seem like about 60 grains too much black powder,even with 100 grains of BP my cap gets blown off and the hammer resets itself!!! Thats a sure sign of too much BP! Around ninety grains should be sufficent!!! Thats in a CVA ,not the Knight(which is a completely diferent system)! Bob 
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My Knight inline does well with 245 grain powerbelts and 90 grains of Pyrodex. My friend has an identical setup, and his muzzleloader would not shoot sabots well (we had ~ 12 inch groups at 100 yards) unless the bore was cleaned after each shot. Accuracy was not affected by use of granular powder or pellets. It became very difficult after the second shot to seat the sabot fully. Clean the bore and the sabot would seat. The powerbelts will group ~ 2 inches at 100 yards without cleaning the bore between shots in my muzzloader. I haven't tried the sabots in mine yet. In answer to your question, do try a two or three shot group to check your elevation. |