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10/28/2004 9:04:07 AM EDT
Is it illegal to have an M16 bolt and bolt carrier in a AR15?

Ive seen conflicting answeres.
10/28/2004 9:11:34 AM EDT
[#1]
Yes.
10/28/2004 9:12:51 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Yes.



No.
10/28/2004 9:13:22 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Yes.



No.


Maybe.

I don't know!

Could you repeat the question?

You're not the boss of me, no!
You're not the boss of me, no!
You're not the boss of me, no,
and you're not so big!

You're not the boss of me, no!
You're not the boss of me, no!
You're not the boss of me, no,
and you're not so big!

Life is unfair.......
10/28/2004 9:14:09 AM EDT
[#4]
Who's going to be looking at your bolt?
10/28/2004 9:14:17 AM EDT
[#5]
There's a LEGAL Section Forum here and a M16 Forum under AR15 for questions like this and more than enough reading on the subject to keep ya busy for days........

Unless your just trolling the General Discussion forum for fun.

Mike
10/28/2004 9:15:33 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Unless your just trolling the General Discussion forum for fun.

Mike



I took the liberty of assuming that such was the case.
10/28/2004 9:17:03 AM EDT
[#7]
you got one to sell, or thinking of buying?
10/28/2004 9:17:10 AM EDT
[#8]
No im not trolling.  Im just trying to get a certain answere.

10/28/2004 9:19:12 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
No im not trolling.  Im just trying to get a certain answere.




The short, serious answer is 'no'.

But...why?
10/28/2004 9:23:00 AM EDT
[#10]

The short, serious answer is 'no'.

But...why?



Alot of people have been telling me its illegal to have an M16 bolt carrier in your AR15.  But just yesterday someone here posted a picture of his AR15 with a M16 bolt carrier.  So im just looking for the truth.
10/28/2004 9:25:08 AM EDT
[#11]
To add complexity, Colt sold their semi aout 9mm ARs with a FA bolt.
10/28/2004 9:25:12 AM EDT
[#12]

Grey area.  I think if you got in trouble for it, you could fight it and have a good chance.
10/28/2004 9:25:48 AM EDT
[#13]
No. wait!    ....yes.
10/28/2004 9:42:04 AM EDT
[#14]

The short, serious answer is 'no'.


So its perfectlt legal to have a M16 bolt carrier in a AR15?
10/28/2004 9:44:26 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

The short, serious answer is 'no'.


So its perfectlt legal to have a M16 bolt carrier in a AR15?



I'm not a lawyer.

You're in Texas. Go to a gunshow. I hear y'all have some good ones.

Buy a bolt.

try it out.

If it somehow turns your AR into a full-auto (hint: it won't), take it out and throw it in the nearest ditch.

If it doesn't, you're ok. Perfectly legal.


Clear as mud, huh? Thank the ATF.
10/28/2004 9:46:48 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

So its perfectlt legal to have a M16 bolt carrier in a AR15?



This info can only be passed on to TEAM MEMBERS.
10/28/2004 12:17:06 PM EDT
[#17]
The ATF considers this 'constructive possession'.

Don't do it.
10/28/2004 12:23:32 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
The ATF considers this 'constructive possession'.

Don't do it.



Care to sight your source for this info?
10/28/2004 12:27:16 PM EDT
[#19]
Excuse me Son.  Let me have a look at that bolt you have there.<cop voice>
10/28/2004 12:28:40 PM EDT
[#20]

 Someone sells a modified 16 carrier that still has the firing pin shroud but the sear trip portion of the carrier is cut back ti 15 specs. (IIIRC)  BTW, a bolt is a bolt is a bolt.
10/28/2004 12:29:53 PM EDT
[#21]
It's the carrier that is FA/semi. The bolts are the same.
10/28/2004 12:34:11 PM EDT
[#22]
No.

Differences to bolts to make them semi-auto are fairly recent, I believe.  Older rifles all have the same bolt as used in auto-weps.  
10/28/2004 4:08:31 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Is it illegal to have an M16 bolt and bolt carrier in a AR15?

Ive seen conflicting answeres.



No it's not.
10/28/2004 5:29:02 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

No it's not.



fook says it is, but he's not revealing his source for this valuable info!
10/28/2004 5:50:31 PM EDT
[#25]
Gee where can I buy one of those full automatic carriers?

Will it work in my 10/22?

Bob
10/28/2004 5:56:12 PM EDT
[#26]
I have seen older Colt SP1's with factory carriers that were round on the rear. I have a Colt .22 conversion still in it's original packaging that not only has a round rear section, says clearly on the package that it is for either the AR15 or M16 rifles. The copyright date on the package is 1987 I believe, I would imagine that Colt is somewhat familiar with the laws regarding machine guns, and would have had a disclaimer on the package if thier was any reason that every Tom, Dick and Harry should not be using them in Semi only rifles.

ETA: I have been told that it is illegal to use the M16 carriers in semi guns, but as far as I can tell it is the trigger parts that the ATF looks at, same as with an AK (most AKs sold include military bolt carriers, that would trip the sear if it were present).
10/28/2004 6:20:51 PM EDT
[#27]
well among many AK fables its not the bolt again that makes it full auto,the best thing about an AK full auto(bolt) that never migrated over to the semi -auto is the fireing pin spring!!

It could and would account for many less charging discharges!

And an M16 carrier is dope,cause it has the right ammont of weight to carry the bolt back at the right speed!!

I just put a 3-position stock on my sporter,and I swear the springs that came with it were damn near the lenght of my original spring!

And yes my bolt is an M16 bolt!!!


Bob
10/28/2004 6:33:27 PM EDT
[#28]

And yes my bolt is an M16 bolt!!!


Is your carrier also M16?
10/28/2004 6:34:33 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
well among many AK fables its not the bolt again that makes it full auto,the best thing about an AK full auto(bolt) that never migrated over to the semi -auto is the fireing pin spring!!

It could and would account for many less charging discharges!

And an M16 carrier is dope,cause it has the right ammont of weight to carry the bolt back at the right speed!!

I just put a 3-position stock on my sporter,and I swear the springs that came with it were damn near the lenght of my original spring!

And yes my bolt is an M16 bolt!!!


Bob



The Polytech semi only AK's do indeed have a firing pin spring, there are others but I don't recall which ones right now.
10/28/2004 8:04:04 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
well among many AK fables its not the bolt again that makes it full auto,the best thing about an AK full auto(bolt) that never migrated over to the semi -auto is the fireing pin spring!!

It could and would account for many less charging discharges!

And an M16 carrier is dope,cause it has the right ammont of weight to carry the bolt back at the right speed!!

I just put a 3-position stock on my sporter,and I swear the springs that came with it were damn near the lenght of my original spring!

And yes my bolt is an M16 bolt!!!


Bob



The Polytech semi only AK's do indeed have a firing pin spring, there are others but I don't recall which ones right now.



Not all of them do.  My 223 AKS (serial number under 200), I've had it since 1987 and it was preowned even then, doesn't and it will double and triple if loaded with ammuntion using softer primers.