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Originally Posted By dsotm82: Seems like the number of bad cops drastically higher than the number of good cops these days. Dental plan and all that... GD and Reddit are pretty similar in a lot of ways ironically enough. Both places only post the negative stories for the most part and all cops are bad. |
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: I don’t see a law enforcement exemption in the Georgia statute. It looks like they have the same rights as anyone else. https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/title-16/chapter-7/article-2/part-1/section-16-7-21/ Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: The police are generally privileged against both criminal and civil trespass when acting in the performance of their duties. Otherwise, it would be pretty hard to do police work. But I am not familiar with the nuances of GA law on the subject. I don’t see a law enforcement exemption in the Georgia statute. It looks like they have the same rights as anyone else. https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/title-16/chapter-7/article-2/part-1/section-16-7-21/ You have to look at the case law as well. I did a quick search and did not find anything helpful. |
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Originally Posted By Beltfed308: It takes highly specialized training for an officer to go on private property, in a pasture and then kill livestock the size of a dog. Unless you have been in this line of work you have no place to criticize. Let he who has never shot a harmless family pet cast the first stone. |
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Originally Posted By ConcernedCitizen: Let he who has never shot a harmless family pet cast the first stone. Originally Posted By ConcernedCitizen: Originally Posted By Beltfed308: It takes highly specialized training for an officer to go on private property, in a pasture and then kill livestock the size of a dog. Unless you have been in this line of work you have no place to criticize. Let he who has never shot a harmless family pet cast the first stone. I wasn't there, etc. |
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: I don’t see a law enforcement exemption in the Georgia statute. It looks like they have the same rights as anyone else. https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/title-16/chapter-7/article-2/part-1/section-16-7-21/ Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: The police are generally privileged against both criminal and civil trespass when acting in the performance of their duties. Otherwise, it would be pretty hard to do police work. But I am not familiar with the nuances of GA law on the subject. I don’t see a law enforcement exemption in the Georgia statute. It looks like they have the same rights as anyone else. https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/title-16/chapter-7/article-2/part-1/section-16-7-21/ From the law you linked: "(b) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she knowingly and without authority: (1) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person for an unlawful purpose;" Further down after the law it lists case law decisions that include a person who sought to have a GA DOT employee charged with trespassing, which was held to be without merit because the employee was on the private property without permission in order to survey for a right of way, which is not an unlawful purpose. (Note that I am not supporting shooting the donkey here.) |
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Originally Posted By Killshot37: I don't know why you expect a site populated by blue bootlicking boomers to tolerate insulting a cop. Arfcom would be dead already if it wasn't for the tech forums. Certain types of people like to act all big and tough out on the street but then throw a hissy fit when their fragile little ego is broken by mean bad people. |
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Originally Posted By parshooter: His present from me arrives there Saturday. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/907/IMG_0156-3820703.jpg 
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Originally Posted By Villafuego: Here is the entire department ..... apparently the one who shot the donkey is the white guy with the beard https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/55482/490294999_691986553505168_57859266078078-3820621.jpg Called,.. it's always the f'n fat cops. |
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Originally Posted By KonamiCode:https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/477921/7A7220F5-119B-40F1-BA49-1150E6DA9764-3820542.png Good work. Now add a little baby mini-donkey profile pic to the front of his car for the confirmed kill, please.  |
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Originally Posted By parshooter: @KonamiCode Good work. Now add a little baby mini-donkey profile pic to the front of his car for the confirmed kill, please. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/907/IMG_0157-3820717.jpg Originally Posted By parshooter: Originally Posted By KonamiCode:https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/477921/7A7220F5-119B-40F1-BA49-1150E6DA9764-3820542.png Good work. Now add a little baby mini-donkey profile pic to the front of his car for the confirmed kill, please. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/907/IMG_0157-3820717.jpg Bonus points if you can include the diaper. 
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Originally Posted By Mars87: GD and Reddit are pretty similar in a lot of ways ironically enough. Both places only post the negative stories for the most part and all cops are bad. Originally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By dsotm82: Seems like the number of bad cops drastically higher than the number of good cops these days. Dental plan and all that... GD and Reddit are pretty similar in a lot of ways ironically enough. Both places only post the negative stories for the most part and all cops are bad. Naw. It's mostly just southern cops and city cops here. Reddit is all cops. Those southern and city stereotypes exist for a reason. |
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Originally Posted By parshooter: His present from me arrives there Saturday. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/907/IMG_0156-3820703.jpg Looks nice. Where did you get it? |
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Yes, that's before he signed on with Cedartown Police, he was with Rockmart.
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Originally Posted By Pogo55: Looks nice. Where did you get it? Originally Posted By Pogo55: Originally Posted By parshooter: His present from me arrives there Saturday. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/907/IMG_0156-3820703.jpg https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FS6YTNJT?ref_=ppx_oui_title_mob_b_fed_asin_title_0_0 |
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Originally Posted By parshooter: Amazon. 14 bucks total. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FS6YTNJT?ref_=ppx_oui_title_mob_b_fed_asin_title_0_0 Cute. I assumed you designed it yourself and custom ordered it for delivery. Can you do a gift registry thing at Amazon where people can order suggested items for delivery to the department in his name? Like the time they gave Sgt Murtaugh a rubber tree plant. Click To View Spoiler |
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Originally Posted By PepePewPew: Cute. I assumed you designed it yourself and custom ordered it for delivery. Can you do a gift registry thing at Amazon where people can order suggested items for delivery to the department in his name? Like the time they gave Sgt Murtaugh a rubber tree plant. Click To View Spoiler Originally Posted By PepePewPew: Originally Posted By parshooter: Amazon. 14 bucks total. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FS6YTNJT?ref_=ppx_oui_title_mob_b_fed_asin_title_0_0 Can you do a gift registry thing at Amazon where people can order suggested items for delivery to the department in his name? Like the time they gave Sgt Murtaugh a rubber tree plant. Click To View Spoiler    |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: It's really those cows you gotta worry about. https://i.gifer.com/D0.gif The cow seems to be enjoying it. His tail is wagging. |
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Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: I read that in Paul Lynde’s voice… Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Originally Posted By Villafuego: Here is the entire department ..... apparently the one who shot the donkey is the white guy with the beard https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/55482/490294999_691986553505168_57859266078078-3820621.jpg The fat one? I read that in Paul Lynde’s voice… Noice. |
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Originally Posted By Villafuego: Here is the entire department ..... apparently the one who shot the donkey is the white guy with the beard https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/55482/490294999_691986553505168_57859266078078-3820621.jpg The chubby one? Oops, already posted. |
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Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean: From the law you linked: "(b) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she knowingly and without authority: (1) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person for an unlawful purpose;" Further down after the law it lists case law decisions that include a person who sought to have a GA DOT employee charged with trespassing, which was held to be without merit because the employee was on the private property without permission in order to survey for a right of way, which is not an unlawful purpose. (Note that I am not supporting shooting the donkey here.) Surveyors have special exemptions police do not. It’s written into most states statues |
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Originally Posted By Mars87: GD and Reddit are pretty similar in a lot of ways ironically enough. Both places only post the negative stories for the most part and all cops are bad. Originally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By dsotm82: Seems like the number of bad cops drastically higher than the number of good cops these days. Dental plan and all that... GD and Reddit are pretty similar in a lot of ways ironically enough. Both places only post the negative stories for the most part and all cops are bad. Care to post some examples of non-ia arresting a bad cop for being a bad cop? |
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Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: The police are generally privileged against both criminal and civil trespass when acting in the performance of their duties. Otherwise, it would be pretty hard to do police work. But I am not familiar with the nuances of GA law on the subject. Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: Originally Posted By LawyerUp: Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: Originally Posted By Imzadi: Originally Posted By wyorock: Donkey made furtive movements, cop had to get it on. In all seriousness they is some speculation he had a K9 with him. If he did, donkeys like to get it on with dogs. Not excusing it but IF there was a K9 and it was getting wrecked its an interesting twist. It isn't. That cop (and K9) had no right to be on the private property. Under the Open Fields Doctrine, they did. That doesn't entitle them to trespass, that just says there's no 4A protection applicable to your "open fields" surrounding your curtilage. The police are generally privileged against both criminal and civil trespass when acting in the performance of their duties. Otherwise, it would be pretty hard to do police work. But I am not familiar with the nuances of GA law on the subject. JFC please don't tell me you're in law enforcement. |
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Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: There doesn’t need to be a specific exemption. “Without authority” is the key part. Common legal principle and common law apply… officers are generally insulated from trespass charges in the performance of their duties under color of law. No doubt there is a ton of case law to support that position as well. I’m not saying that shooting the donkey was a good shoot(it was not IMO) but illegal trespassing is going to be a stretch. Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: I don’t see a law enforcement exemption in the Georgia statute. It looks like they have the same rights as anyone else. https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/title-16/chapter-7/article-2/part-1/section-16-7-21/ There doesn’t need to be a specific exemption. “Without authority” is the key part. Common legal principle and common law apply… officers are generally insulated from trespass charges in the performance of their duties under color of law. No doubt there is a ton of case law to support that position as well. I’m not saying that shooting the donkey was a good shoot(it was not IMO) but illegal trespassing is going to be a stretch. Not with you on this one man. There's a ton of case law basically saying they don't have any rights to be on private property beyond what any other person would have, outside of warrants or exigency. |
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Officer / department are liable IMO. I don't know how you repay someone for killing their pet on their property. I think they are owed more than Whoops. |
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Originally Posted By CDW4ME: Officer / department are liable IMO. I don't know how you repay someone for killing their pet on their property. I think they are owed more than Whoops. The officer in question probably will lose his job, and the department is liable to pay out some amount of money.............and say "not our fault". But at a minimum the officer should be discharged |
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Originally Posted By CDW4ME: Officer / department are liable IMO. I don't know how you repay someone for killing their pet on their property. I think they are owed more than Whoops. Police here have already explained this. A pet is property. So how much is a rescue donkey worth? That's what it is worth to a police officer. |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:It's really those cows you gotta worry about. https://i.gifer.com/D0.gif    Jackass Cop Killed HeeHaw — Shot Dead in His Own Pasture |
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Originally Posted By Imzadi: Care to post some examples of non-ia arresting a bad cop for being a bad cop? Originally Posted By Imzadi: Originally Posted By Mars87: Originally Posted By dsotm82: Seems like the number of bad cops drastically higher than the number of good cops these days. Dental plan and all that... GD and Reddit are pretty similar in a lot of ways ironically enough. Both places only post the negative stories for the most part and all cops are bad. Care to post some examples of non-ia arresting a bad cop for being a bad cop? There's a fairly popular video of a department cuffing one of their own and cutting the uniform off for him being a wife beater... |
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Originally Posted By BMSMB: Not with you on this one man. There's a ton of case law basically saying they don't have any rights to be on private property beyond what any other person would have, outside of warrants or exigency. Which is exactly what I’m talking about. |
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I think people underestimate how many of these stories are not about a cop being “scared”. They do things like this because they want to kill something. Whether it’s a donkey or a dog or a human. They carry a gun around every single day and are just itching to use it. |
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Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Which is exactly what I’m talking about. Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Originally Posted By BMSMB: Not with you on this one man. There's a ton of case law basically saying they don't have any rights to be on private property beyond what any other person would have, outside of warrants or exigency. Which is exactly what I’m talking about. Exigency is a fairly narrow window and isn't just in the process of doing their job. |
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Originally Posted By BMSMB: Exigency is a fairly narrow window and isn't just in the process of doing their job. In this case it was within that window. Of course it doesn’t allow them onto private property for any reason 100% of the time. I didn’t mean for it to say that. |
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Originally Posted By SadlyMissing: Yo man, you better stop noticing shit. He’s not noticing reality. The percentage of rotten ones is still a whole lot lower than anything approaching a majority. For all we know this guy wasn’t rotten either, he may have simply panicked and made a stupid decision. He’s gonna pay for it, rightfully so. |
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Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: Under the Open Fields Doctrine, they did. Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: Originally Posted By Imzadi: Originally Posted By wyorock: Donkey made furtive movements, cop had to get it on. In all seriousness they is some speculation he had a K9 with him. If he did, donkeys like to get it on with dogs. Not excusing it but IF there was a K9 and it was getting wrecked its an interesting twist. It isn't. That cop (and K9) had no right to be on the private property. Under the Open Fields Doctrine, they did. I would argue a fenced field is not an open field. |
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Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: In this case it was within that window. Of course it doesn’t allow them onto private property for any reason 100% of the time. I didn’t mean for it to say that. Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Originally Posted By BMSMB: Exigency is a fairly narrow window and isn't just in the process of doing their job. In this case it was within that window. Of course it doesn’t allow them onto private property for any reason 100% of the time. I didn’t mean for it to say that. I dont agree with that. |
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Originally Posted By GADeerHunter: I think people underestimate how many of these stories are not about a cop being “scared”. They do things like this because they want to kill something. Whether it’s a donkey or a dog or a human. They carry a gun around every single day and are just itching to use it. Like Heaven is pointing a finger at them, and giving them a Free Fire mission? |
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Originally Posted By CDW4ME: Officer / department are liable IMO. I don't know how you repay someone for killing their pet on their property. I think they are owed more than Whoops. I think the officer should be forced to replace the donkey. I'm not sure how good he'll be at fending off coyotes and being in a petting zoo, but I'm sure he'll quickly get the hang of it. 
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