The White House Helipad (Page 4 of 5)
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Originally Posted By Moondog: How much is this re-do going to add to the price? Fussing about aesthetic shit like tearing up the lawn to make it level with the horizon is mad king BS. So much for saving the grass. "Grass is like human beings... Grass has a life also." lol It's not adding anything into the cost because Lockhead Martin is paying for it. |
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Originally Posted By mikNtx: flag pole and rotor bladez I think it is just perspective. Marine One lands there with the flag pole. I have no doubt that distance was considered. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By realwar: It's not adding anything into the cost because Lockhead Martin is paying for it. I'm curious if they're going to cover the additional costs of redoing the work or estimated $875k in overtime fees incurred to make the September deadline? Reminds me of how the ballroom was supposed to be funded by private investors, "not one dime" of taxpayer money, yet $1 billion in taxpayer dollars was proposed for “security adjustments and upgrades?” |
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Originally Posted By realwar: It's not adding anything into the cost because Lockhead Martin is paying for it. I'm sure that Lockheed will roll the cost into whatever the taxpayers end up buying from them |
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Originally Posted By realwar: *An aerial view of ongoing construction of a helipad and ballroom at the White House from the U.S. Army Golden Knight DHC-8 airplane on the 250th anniversary of U.S. independence. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/HMkzxE5bsAAfC40_jpg-3790916.JPG This is literally what Hitler did with the New Reich Chancellory building projects!!1!! /s 
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Originally Posted By TimeOnTarget: The downwash from a CH-47 or CH-53 is no joke. That's the reason you rarely see these big helicopters used for rescue work. You can knock a guy off a mountain very easily trying to hover over a steep slope. Originally Posted By TimeOnTarget: Originally Posted By Hesperus: There’s an interview on the Fighter Pilot Podcast with a Marine 1 pilot. He answered the one question I’ve been wondering about. Why not go with a CH-53 for that job? The downdraft disturbs the plants in the Rose Garden. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/383325/D7C916AE-045B-4312-9B19-724DC1120138_jpe-3790913.JPG Looks like they had one at some point… The downwash from a CH-47 or CH-53 is no joke. That's the reason you rarely see these big helicopters used for rescue work. You can knock a guy off a mountain very easily trying to hover over a steep slope. That and you probably dont want oil dripping on the President’s head. 
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When I was stationed at Gordon, a new sidewalk was poured. The next day someone from the Army Corps of Engineers inspected it. The next day it was ripped out and replaced. If a project is not build to standards, it will get taken out and replaced. I think this is what happened with the helipad. |
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Originally Posted By farfromhome: When I was stationed at Gordon, a new sidewalk was poured. The next day someone from the Army Corps of Engineers inspected it. The next day it was ripped out and replaced. If a project is not build to standards, it will get taken out and replaced. I think this is what happened with the helipad. The pad was level with the lawn, not the horizon. Someone who likes vanity projects couldn't have that. |
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Originally Posted By PGAEMU: That and you probably dont want oil dripping on the President’s head. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Moondog: The pad was level with the lawn, not the horizon. Someone who likes vanity projects couldn't have that. Originally Posted By Moondog: Originally Posted By farfromhome: When I was stationed at Gordon, a new sidewalk was poured. The next day someone from the Army Corps of Engineers inspected it. The next day it was ripped out and replaced. If a project is not build to standards, it will get taken out and replaced. I think this is what happened with the helipad. The pad was level with the lawn, not the horizon. Someone who likes vanity projects couldn't have that. From the pictures I've seen, the lawn there slopes slightly to the south. If the helipad was level with the lawn, then it would be sloping slightly too. Is a sloped helipad the best idea? I'm not a construction engineer or a helicopter pilot, but it seems a bad idea to me. |
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Originally Posted By RLR350: I can only imagine the faux outrage that will follow. |
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Originally Posted By CleverNickname: From the pictures I've seen, the lawn there slopes slightly to the south. If the helipad was level with the lawn, then it would be sloping slightly too. Is a sloped helipad the best idea? I'm not a construction engineer or a helicopter pilot, but it seems a bad idea to me. I'm not a helicopter pilot but I am a fixed Wing pilot and I have been a passenger in a lot of helicopters. yeah it's a bad idea when you're starting from scratch to have it on a freaking slope. and anybody who can see that is a whiny b*tch |
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Originally Posted By Gamma762: If they could operate the -22 it would make some short hops vastly faster and more efficient. The pad is heated because helicopters sliding on ice is very dangerous. White out from dry snow is also very dangerous. Plus the presidential seal would look like doodoo if it was half covered up by drifting snow. ETA: At my last duty station the runway was resurfaced. It is concrete with a thin asphalt layer on top and 7,300x150 feet. After the new asphalt was down the ACE came in and measured it and found it to be thinner than the contract said it would be. Contractor had to scrape it all up again and replace it at no cost to the .gov. I can only imagine somebody got fired for that one! |
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Originally Posted By CleverNickname: From the pictures I've seen, the lawn there slopes slightly to the south. If the helipad was level with the lawn, then it would be sloping slightly too. Is a sloped helipad the best idea? I'm not a construction engineer or a helicopter pilot, but it seems a bad idea to me. Don't these contractors know what a level is? If the lawn was sloped that bad, why TF did they build the pad to match that slope? Makes me wonder if it really matched the slope of the lawn, or did it look weird because the lawn was sloped? |
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Originally Posted By Moondog: Don't these contractors know what a level is? If the lawn was sloped that bad, why TF did they build the pad to match that slope? Makes me wonder if it really matched the slope of the lawn, or did it look weird because the lawn was sloped? Originally Posted By Moondog: Originally Posted By CleverNickname: From the pictures I've seen, the lawn there slopes slightly to the south. If the helipad was level with the lawn, then it would be sloping slightly too. Is a sloped helipad the best idea? I'm not a construction engineer or a helicopter pilot, but it seems a bad idea to me. Don't these contractors know what a level is? If the lawn was sloped that bad, why TF did they build the pad to match that slope? Makes me wonder if it really matched the slope of the lawn, or did it look weird because the lawn was sloped? Has there been an official statement, or is this just one person ITT repeating something they heard? |
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane: I had a 5-egg omelette for breakfast. Be poor elsewhere… https://media0.giphy.com/media/26FPLMDDN5fJCir0A/200.webp?cid=8dc8958c2kblvgw658y6epo3s17kiup8sepwpd4t9a42ypg4&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200.webp&ct=g Yeah, they are losing that argument. I think I paid $1.49 for a dozen eggs at Wegmann’s the other day. (I realize he was being sarcastic) |
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Originally Posted By Moondog: Don't these contractors know what a level is? If the lawn was sloped that bad, why TF did they build the pad to match that slope? Makes me wonder if it really matched the slope of the lawn, or did it look weird because the lawn was sloped? No, I don’t think the pad is sloped. From what I can tell from pictures the pad just sits lowers than the White House sidewalks. The concrete pathway from the White House to the pad slopes down. The pad is level just lower than the White House. ”The terrain features a noticeable natural incline or downward slant—measuring roughly 20 to 22 degrees in various sections—that descends as you move away from the South Portico toward the southern perimeter” I guess we will see, but I think what they are doing is raising the top of the pad to the same level as the White House and then will build up the lawn area surrounding it. The part circled in red goes down hill to the lower pad. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By RLR350: No, I don’t think the pad is sloped. From what I can tell from pictures the pad just sits lowers than the White House sidewalks. The concrete pathway from the White House to the pad slopes down. The pad is level just lower than the White House. I guess we will see, but I think what they are doing is raising the top of the pad to the same level as the White House and then will build up the lawn area surrounding it. The part circled in red goes down hill to the lower pad. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_0745_jpeg-3807192.JPG If that's the case, it's an aesthetics issue. That's an f'd up reason to tear it down and re-do it. |
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Originally Posted By Moondog: If that's the case, it's an aesthetics issue. That's an f'd up reason to tear it down and re-do it. Originally Posted By Moondog: Originally Posted By RLR350: No, I don’t think the pad is sloped. From what I can tell from pictures the pad just sits lowers than the White House sidewalks. The concrete pathway from the White House to the pad slopes down. The pad is level just lower than the White House. I guess we will see, but I think what they are doing is raising the top of the pad to the same level as the White House and then will build up the lawn area surrounding it. The part circled in red goes down hill to the lower pad. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_0745_jpeg-3807192.JPG If that's the case, it's an aesthetics issue. That's an f'd up reason to tear it down and re-do it. Could be. But there could be other issues too; you don't know. There's an engineering plan for the pad somewhere. What does that plan say, and was the plan being followed, or did the contractor screw something up? No one posting here is going to know though, or if they do they won't be able to post about it. |
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Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Could be. But there could be other issues too; you don't know. There's an engineering plan for the pad somewhere. What does that plan say, and was the plan being followed, or did the contractor screw something up? No one posting here is going to know though, or if they do they won't be able to post about it. As a preface, a friend of the family was a carpenter, and spent 2 years renovating a summer home for a CEO of a large company. Each time they would complete a project, the dude's fickle wife wouldn't like it and they'd have to tear shit down and redo it. Install a staircase, tear it down and relocate it. Build a wall, tear it down. Install flooring, tear it up. One of the last straws was the dude's wife wanted a structural wall removed. Dumbass reasons to redo stuff triggers my 'tism. |
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Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Could be. But there could be other issues too; you don't know. There's an engineering plan for the pad somewhere. What does that plan say, and was the plan being followed, or did the contractor screw something up? No one posting here is going to know though, or if they do they won't be able to post about it. Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Originally Posted By Moondog: Originally Posted By RLR350: No, I don’t think the pad is sloped. From what I can tell from pictures the pad just sits lowers than the White House sidewalks. The concrete pathway from the White House to the pad slopes down. The pad is level just lower than the White House. I guess we will see, but I think what they are doing is raising the top of the pad to the same level as the White House and then will build up the lawn area surrounding it. The part circled in red goes down hill to the lower pad. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_0745_jpeg-3807192.JPG If that's the case, it's an aesthetics issue. That's an f'd up reason to tear it down and re-do it. Could be. But there could be other issues too; you don't know. There's an engineering plan for the pad somewhere. What does that plan say, and was the plan being followed, or did the contractor screw something up? No one posting here is going to know though, or if they do they won't be able to post about it. It might have something to do with an emergency response plan too, it's easier and safer to move stretchers or other equipment on level surfaces. I'm curious, but as before, I doubt we'll ever get an answer. 
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Originally Posted By realwar: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2026-07-06_at_17-29-18__12__w-3790924.JPG
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2026-07-06_at_17-31-01__12__w-3790925.JPG $900k?! Oh no, cry me a fucking river |
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| The N_T, leftists, and assorted others crying about a few million for a helipad or a couple billion for a ballroom when there are hundreds of billions funneled to leftist NGOs, the DNC, and fraud, waste, and abuse. Like these projects even move the fucking needle. Give me a fucking break. Where was GWB, 0bama, Xiden, and the rest to expose and try and stop the hundreds of billions stolen from the working, tax paying stiffs? Guess who has been doing that? Yeah, lets have a state dinner for the most powerful country in the history of the world in a fucking tent. |
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Originally Posted By piperpa24: But after it's built every subsequent POTUS will use it. Originally Posted By piperpa24: Originally Posted By RLR350: I can only imagine the faux outrage that will follow. I can see a future dem president being petulant enough to have it ripped out. And changing the ballroom into offices or something. Because TDS. |
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Originally Posted By A_G: The N_T, leftists, and assorted others crying about a few million for a helipad or a couple billion for a ballroom when there are hundreds of billions funneled to leftist NGOs, the DNC, and fraud, waste, and abuse. Like these projects even move the fucking needle. Give me a fucking break. Where was GWB, 0bama, Xiden, and the rest to expose and try and stop the hundreds of billions stolen from the working, tax paying stiffs? Guess who has been doing that? Yeah, lets have a state dinner for the most powerful country in the history of the world in a fucking tent. Yep. DC needs some upgrades. |
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Originally Posted By tc556guy: I'm sure that Lockheed will roll the cost into whatever the taxpayers end up buying from them What I do being self employed. I throw in a lot of stuff for some customers depending on the pain in the ass factor. But it all gets factored in, ain't nothing free. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: It's not adding anything into the cost because Lockhead Martin is paying for it. Originally Posted By realwar: It's not adding anything into the cost because Lockhead Martin is paying for it. Originally Posted By tc556guy: I'm sure that Lockheed will roll the cost into whatever the taxpayers end up buying from them Originally Posted By Moondog: There's no such thing as free lunch, er, helipad. Who are Lockheed's customers? We're all paying for it. It's FREE because a huge .GOV contractor is paying for it all. That certainly might not influence if further fat .GOV contracts go to that company. But who pays for all the .GOV contractors for those products that the .GOV buys? Just the Tax Payers...  Also - "Chyna & other counties pay those tariffs!!!" (not American Companies and Consumers). Are all those tariff refund checks being sent to Chyna & other nations? Because "tariffs are 'free money' " right?? Bigger_Hammer 
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Originally Posted By Gamma762: I can see a future dem president being petulant enough to have it ripped out. And changing the ballroom into offices or something. Because TDS. You can count on that happening. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Moondog: If that's the case, it's an aesthetics issue. That's an f'd up reason to tear it down and re-do it. I disagree. Beauty and excellence are worth chasing. I’m sick of government projects being beige or grey eyesores. Build more beautiful things. |
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Trump tour of the helipad President Trump Delivers Remarks, Aug. 19, 2026 |
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Originally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob: I disagree. Beauty and excellence are worth chasing. I’m sick of government projects being beige or grey eyesores. Build more beautiful things. It's not about color. It's about the lawn being uneven, making the helipad look crooked. Build something on a hillside and something's going to look out of square |