The White House Helipad (Page 3 of 5)
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Originally Posted By VendraxTwoHands: I hear Ospreys have even worse downdraft, and I know they had Ospreys for the Marine 1 mission for a short time. I bet those tore up the lawn. Here's an Osprey destroying a park.   V22 Osprey Destroys Park Osprey doesn't like landing pads  Insane USAF CV-22 Destroys Hospital Heli Landing Pad at Addenbrookes |
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Originally Posted By realwar: The old landings are slower and take some time. The new pad will allow the pilot to land like a medivac.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCMmHJ-P12U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP-8t828O1gThat Marine 1 landing sure seemed like a long time in a vulnerable position. I know we've got some helicopter pilots here who could make a better assessment. |
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It's going to be the most fantastic helipad in the history of the country. Personally I'd rather see dollars spend on projects like this than on studying rat fecies in Nairobi, or the sexual practices of the aardvark in Kenya. |
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Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Calling bullshit. *Yes, an F-35B can land on regular concrete, but it is not recommended for routine vertical landings. The aircraft's exhaust creates extreme temperatures exceeding 930°C, causing thermal shock and rapid spalling (cracking) on standard Portland cement runways. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: *Yes, an F-35B can land on regular concrete, but it is not recommended for routine vertical landings. The aircraft's exhaust creates extreme temperatures exceeding 930°C, causing thermal shock and rapid spalling (cracking) on standard Portland cement runways. Yeah, the comment was fishy so I looked it up. It’s been landed vertically on standard concrete highways many times. There is a possibility of minor spalling or cracking with repeated use. It won’t blow it apart. |
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Originally Posted By metalsaber: This makes total sense which means the left won't like it. I noticed a lot of our friends haven't chimed in on this thread. Don't say that. You might get an account warning for thread sliding. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: *An aerial view of ongoing construction of a helipad and ballroom at the White House from the U.S. Army Golden Knight DHC-8 airplane on the 250th anniversary of U.S. independence. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/HMkzxE5bsAAfC40_jpg-3790916.JPG Trump will leave a lasting physical reminder of his time as president. The wing and the helipad are large, permanent structures and will have to be completely destroyed to remove the constant reminder that HE did that. |
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Originally Posted By Novelty: Trump will leave a lasting physical reminder of his time as president. The wing and the helipad are large, permanent structures and will have to be completely destroyed to remove the constant reminder that HE did that. Originally Posted By Novelty: Originally Posted By realwar: *An aerial view of ongoing construction of a helipad and ballroom at the White House from the U.S. Army Golden Knight DHC-8 airplane on the 250th anniversary of U.S. independence. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/HMkzxE5bsAAfC40_jpg-3790916.JPG Trump will leave a lasting physical reminder of his time as president. The wing and the helipad are large, permanent structures and will have to be completely destroyed to remove the constant reminder that HE did that. I have no doubt the next regime will destroy it all out of spite. |
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Originally Posted By rfoxtrot: It’s about time a few things get modernized. Crazy how much of our shit is getting old. Not just talking about bridges and roads. Even infrastructure to deal with the president is pretty odd that you think about it. Think about how old the helicopters are. Look how the aircraft are. It’s all old shit. I know they’re working on updating that but umpteen years later a billions over budget shit still ain’t done. If you were an army or navy pilot in the 80s or 90s and flew Blackhawks or sea kings then that’s what you have. It’s kept simple, cheap, and reliable for a singular reason - it’s a no fail mission. You can’t abort if a computer doesn’t boot up properly. You don’t tell the president to wait while your egi aligns or some silly flight control computer has to go through a 90 second self test. There’s nothing inherently wrong with old equipment if it does what you need. It’s usually more reliable, cheaper, and more durable than fancy bleeding edge equipment. |
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Originally Posted By Aikibiker: It is going to be granite not concrete. And Lockheed Martin is picking up the tab for it. Trump somehow got them to agree to the cost of a new helipad since they "Didn't tell us how powerful the new helicopter will be. and they felt bad about it." Apparently when they did a test landing a bunch of grass got ripped off the lawn and ended up piled up in front of the oval office. This article has a lot of details including the thing about LockMart paying. Lockheed even confirmed it. https://www.twz.com/air/vh-92-patriot-getting-granite-white-house-helipad-will-finally-allow-vh-3d-sea-king-to-retire I think they meant “signed a contract to be the exclusive helicopter provider of the COC for the foreseeable future.” 
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Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Yeah, the comment was fishy so I looked it up. It’s been landed vertically on standard concrete highways many times. There is a possibility of minor spalling or cracking with repeated use. It won’t blow it apart. How many layers thick is the standard major highway, though? Asphalt vs. concrete, too, unless we are including interstates in the conversation. |
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Originally Posted By thorm001: My little brother used to fly Marine 1 during the Obama administration https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/160746/IMG_4571_jpeg-3790937.JPG |
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Originally Posted By realwar: Ai version.  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HMnpE92XQAAmEnK?format=jpg&name=large |
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Originally Posted By realwar: *Yes, an F-35B can land on regular concrete, but it is not recommended for routine vertical landings. The aircraft's exhaust creates extreme temperatures exceeding 930°C, causing thermal shock and rapid spalling (cracking) on standard Portland cement runways. “No. An F-35B cannot perform a vertical landing on standard "normal" concrete without causing severe damage.During a vertical landing, the swiveling rear exhaust nozzle directs up to 18,000 lbs of thrust downward at extreme temperatures that can exceed 930°C (1,700°F). This intense, rapid heating causes the moisture inside standard Portland cement concrete to expand rapidly, leading to explosive cracking, spalling, and surface destruction. Additionally, if the concrete is asphalt, the engine's heat will melt and destroy it instantly”  We can always pretend to be experts on everything and find AI responses that meet whatever statement we are trying to make.I have no idea what surface an F3B can land on. I’m not sure it even matters in the context of this thread. |
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Originally Posted By RLR350: “No. An F-35B cannot perform a vertical landing on standard "normal" concrete without causing severe damage.During a vertical landing, the swiveling rear exhaust nozzle directs up to 18,000 lbs of thrust downward at extreme temperatures that can exceed 930°C (1,700°F). This intense, rapid heating causes the moisture inside standard Portland cement concrete to expand rapidly, leading to explosive cracking, spalling, and surface destruction. Additionally, if the concrete is asphalt, the engine's heat will melt and destroy it instantly” We can always pretend to be experts on everything and find AI responses that meet whatever statement we are trying to make.I have no idea what surface an F3B can land on. I’m not sure it even matters in the context of this thread. I'm not doubting it can land on a regular concrete surface. I just posted what I found. Its says it can be done but not recommended over long term. Take a blow torch to concrete and you will start to see it blow apart in small little chunks. You will hear it will pop as it starts to disintegrate. |
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Development and thermo-mechanical behavior of cement-based composite for the runway concrete of F-35B joint strike fighter https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214509522004028 Attached File |
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Originally Posted By realwar: *An aerial view of ongoing construction of a helipad and ballroom at the White House from the U.S. Army Golden Knight DHC-8 airplane on the 250th anniversary of U.S. independence. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/HMkzxE5bsAAfC40_jpg-3790916.JPG
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Originally Posted By realwar: I'm not doubting it can land on a regular concrete surface. I just posted what I found. Its says it can be done but not recommended over long term. Take a blow torch to concrete and you will start to see it blow apart in small little chunks. You will hear it will pop as it starts to disintegrate. Sorry, it wasn’t directed at you. I was just using your post to show AI responses can be all over the place. Opposite answers on more or less the same question. I wouldn’t rely on any answer without some other proof or personal knowledge about the question/subject being asked. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: The ballroom is taking shape quick. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2026-07-11_at_18-22-05_New_Ae-3793698.JPG It's about time that dump got a real update. I'd love to go in depth to see all the cool stuff that goes into building something like that. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: They will say the usual..how does this lower grocery costs..  Originally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By metalsaber: This makes total sense which means the left won't like it. I noticed a lot of our friends haven't chimed in on this thread. They will say the usual..how does this lower grocery costs.. I’ve been seeing them screeching about tearing down centuries old cherry trees to build it. And the cost of eggs. And how many immigrant families it could feed. Typical herp-derp from the left. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: *Yes, an F-35B can land on regular concrete, but it is not recommended for routine vertical landings. The aircraft's exhaust creates extreme temperatures exceeding 930°C, causing thermal shock and rapid spalling (cracking) on standard Portland cement runways. Please don’t post AI slop here. It’s rude and pollutes the forum. Unless you have some kind of knowledge on the topic of F-35B capabilities and limitations, you have no business posting something definitive like that. |
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Originally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob: Please don’t post AI slop here. It’s rude and pollutes the forum. Unless you have some kind of knowledge on the topic of F-35B capabilities and limitations, you have no business posting something definitive like that. Originally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob: Originally Posted By realwar: *Yes, an F-35B can land on regular concrete, but it is not recommended for routine vertical landings. The aircraft's exhaust creates extreme temperatures exceeding 930°C, causing thermal shock and rapid spalling (cracking) on standard Portland cement runways. Please don’t post AI slop here. It’s rude and pollutes the forum. Unless you have some kind of knowledge on the topic of F-35B capabilities and limitations, you have no business posting something definitive like that. oh shit wasting site resources better ban him |
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Originally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob: Please don’t post AI slop here. It’s rude and pollutes the forum. Unless you have some kind of knowledge on the topic of F-35B capabilities and limitations, you have no business posting something definitive like that. Since you have nothing to offer except to complain about other posts then don't pollute the forum with your post. 
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Originally Posted By realwar: Since you have nothing to offer except to complain about other posts then don't pollute the forum with your post. Originally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob: Please don’t post AI slop here. It’s rude and pollutes the forum. Unless you have some kind of knowledge on the topic of F-35B capabilities and limitations, you have no business posting something definitive like that. Since you have nothing to offer except to complain about other posts then don't pollute the forum with your post. 
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That seems a bit aesthetic since any snow or ice is no match for the helicopter's engines. |
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Originally Posted By Moondog: That seems a bit aesthetic since any snow or ice is no match for the helicopter's engines. Yeah but I can imagine the last few senior citizen presidents we have had would look pretty bad wiping out on a patch of ice around the perimeter of the pad. |
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Originally Posted By Moondog: That seems a bit aesthetic since any snow or ice is no match for the helicopter's engines. Originally Posted By Moondog: That seems a bit aesthetic since any snow or ice is no match for the helicopter's engines. Not having a white-out on landing when you can avoid it seems wise. |
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That's going to be a serious looking helipad. Attached File Attached File |
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Nice. Like sidewalks and driveways in Montana. |
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Originally Posted By SnowboundinNH: I’ve been seeing them screeching about tearing down centuries old cherry trees to build it. And the cost of eggs. And how many immigrant families it could feed. Typical herp-derp from the left. Originally Posted By SnowboundinNH: Originally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By metalsaber: This makes total sense which means the left won't like it. I noticed a lot of our friends haven't chimed in on this thread. They will say the usual..how does this lower grocery costs.. I’ve been seeing them screeching about tearing down centuries old cherry trees to build it. And the cost of eggs. And how many immigrant families it could feed. Typical herp-derp from the left. The dems conveniently don’t mention the construction is privately funded. And NEVER mention how many people could be fed by the countless millions in political donations they gladly accept. That said the helipad also needs some sort of rising barrier installed on the public view side to protect from the wacko that may try to take shots at the president. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: Here's an Osprey destroying a park. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30tInboo9j4Osprey doesn't like landing pads https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NBofz4ZsLkOriginally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By VendraxTwoHands: I hear Ospreys have even worse downdraft, and I know they had Ospreys for the Marine 1 mission for a short time. I bet those tore up the lawn. Here's an Osprey destroying a park. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30tInboo9j4Osprey doesn't like landing pads https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NBofz4ZsLkWith the Osprey it's not just the rotor wash, but also the jet exhaust that's pointed down from the nacelles. Rotors are also a little smaller diameter, moving more air in a smaller volume. My concern with the helipad is that it seems too close to the building for my taste. Should have been more out to the middle of that grassy area. If they could operate the -22 it would make some short hops vastly faster and more efficient. One would have to be suitably configured, but they could do a short hop to almost any northeastern city direct on the -22 instead of helo to Andrews, airliner to the city, helo or motorcade to destination. A -22 could cut the airliner out of the equation. Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By realwar: The old landings are slower and take some time. The new pad will allow the pilot to land like a medivac. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCMmHJ-P12U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP-8t828O1gThat Marine 1 landing sure seemed like a long time in a vulnerable position. I know we've got some helicopter pilots here who could make a better assessment. They're landing it on those little pads for the landing gear, and of course trying to make as smooth of a landing as possible. |
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