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Posted: 10/16/2004 3:02:05 PM EDT

[#1]

Quoted:
Also --
I would like to see comments opinions rebuttals

Other than

you liberal
you dem
you hate Bush

facts not rhetoric.
Let's start here ---
Why aren't we in Africa ???

Africans can't seem to make it to fortress America and kill Americans. Arabs do.

Posted: 10/16/2004 3:05:15 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
Five years from now I will say

I told you so

... just like you did when your prediction came true that the AWB would be renewed, right Cyanide???

In 2095 it will be renewed and Cyanide with be screaming from the grave, "See, I told you so!".

Posted: 10/16/2004 3:06:32 PM EDT

[#3]

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Quoted:
Regardless of what reason were given for the invasion, somethings are clear. The BILLIONS of dollars are not going to the Iraqis. They are going to AMERICAN companies and American workers. Our allies are also getting a chunk. Second we are taking the fight to them. Insurgents are not all Iraqis. There are other arabs there. Our boys are getting killed but they would gladly fight to save their moms and their families from being attacked at home. The price of oil is going up but we now control a percentage of the OPECs production. That is the reason the frogs and jerries dont want us there. Their fuel prices are outrages with their social programs. We control the oil we control their destiny. You my friend are a waste of bandwidth and a simple thinker.

There are followers in this world and leaders that question things.

I know what camp your in now.

Posted: 10/16/2004 3:25:38 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Also --
I would like to see comments opinions rebuttals

Other than

you liberal
you dem
you hate Bush

facts not rhetoric.
Let's start here ---
Why aren't we in Africa ???

Africans can't seem to make it to fortress America and kill Americans. Arabs do.

We do have Special Operations personell in Northern Africa. Nothing new.

Posted: 10/16/2004 3:34:20 PM EDT

[#5]

The Romans had plenty of barely manned forward outposts to keep the barbarians away from Rome and its more lucrative territories, the minute the barbarians, I really believe these modern day barbarians will be the last to be assimilated into the info age and modern culture, layed siege to an outpost the Roman cavalry would rescue this outpost¨. Iraq is a friggin magnet for these assholes jihadis, if we were to man these garrisons and really conquer these fucks, there would be a half million men there, and the jihadis would look for something easier. Bush Cheney Powell and the rest know ancient history.....

Posted: 10/16/2004 3:38:43 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
The Romans had plenty of barely manned forward outposts to keep the barbarians away from Rome and its more lucrative territories, the minute the barbarians, I really believe these modern day barbarians will be the last to be assimilated into the info age and modern culture, layed siege to an outpost the Roman cavalry would rescue this outpost¨. Iraq is a friggin magnet for these assholes jihadis, if we were to man these garrisons and really conquer these fucks, there would be a half million men there, and the jihadis would look for something easier. Bush Cheney Powell and the rest know ancient history.....

And Rome still fell -------- your point is ???

Posted: 10/16/2004 3:42:47 PM EDT

[#7]

cyanide,
I don't consider what the US is doing a quagmire and this is why...

The middle east is sitting on the resourses that make the world go round.
We used to be able to let or direct what ever happened over there work it self
out. But in my oppinion those days are over becouse of the take over by radicals.

The US and most of the rest of the world will not be served by letting those radicals
have control over a very important resource. Like it or not

GM

eta The plains Indians of SD and ND had to travel to MN and MT each year through hostile
territories just to get lodge poles so they had a home. Jack pine doesn't grow everywhere.

Posted: 10/16/2004 3:49:24 PM EDT

[#8]

Well --------- were committed and I stand with the troops -- got to.

Just kind of resent the way we went in and the lies that made it happen................

As should anyone that thinks with a free mind.

Posted: 10/16/2004 3:52:12 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Quoted:
The Romans had plenty of barely manned forward outposts to keep the barbarians away from Rome and its more lucrative territories, the minute the barbarians, I really believe these modern day barbarians will be the last to be assimilated into the info age and modern culture, layed siege to an outpost the Roman cavalry would rescue this outpost¨. Iraq is a friggin magnet for these assholes jihadis, if we were to man these garrisons and really conquer these fucks, there would be a half million men there, and the jihadis would look for something easier. Bush Cheney Powell and the rest know ancient history.....

And Rome still fell -------- your point is ???

Rome did not get that way over 800 years being stupid, we are barely 235 years old, we have been inovled in small wars for over 200 years, starting with the Barbary pirates, Mexico, the Indian wars, Pancho Villa, the Phillipines, the Boxers, all over the Caribbean plenty of times, Lebanon, Panama, Grenada, Bosnia and a host of other places. Iraq is a small war, a counterinsurgency. My point is we are taking the war to them as many empires have done and we are doing now, I know I admit being an empire and I am proud that we rule the world as the Persian, Greeks, Romans, Hapsburgs, French. Spaniards, and our mother country England did. There is no modern world, savagery was committed then as now....Are you denying we have military outposts in maybe over 100 countries......Change the scnario to today and the Roman cavalry would be QRFs, Styker Brigades, Rapid armor, MEFs, etc.......feel free to chime in.....

Posted: 10/16/2004 3:53:55 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
OK, Cy, answer me this:

We have been there a little over a year now, have had a little over 1000 casualties, now control most of Iraq, turned over the operation of the government back to the Iraqis, have elections scheduled for January, have been killing hundred of terrorists, and THIS is a Quagmire?

I swear to god, you probably would be saying that World War I and II was a quagmire after some of the battles we fought throughout those wars. This chicken-little attitude of liberals is amazing. I think you all believe that during military operations if we don't get in and get out with NO casualties in less than 30 days then it is a miserable failure and quagmire.

WTF, over?

Can you people imagine what the outcome of WWII would have been if, at that period in time this country would have had the same amount of, and mindset as the libs have today. Holy crap, this world would be one very skerry, fu'd place.

Posted: 10/16/2004 3:59:32 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Well --------- were committed and I stand with the troops -- got to.

Just kind of resent the way we went in and the lies that made it happen................

As should anyone that thinks with a free mind.

I see your point, but what politician can say that we need to be there to make
sure the rest of the world remains stable by keeping the supply of a very important
resorce available.

Not PC and you get the blood for oil mantra. But cold hard facts are cold hard facts

GM

Posted: 10/16/2004 3:59:54 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
The Romans had plenty of barely manned forward outposts to keep the barbarians away from Rome and its more lucrative territories, the minute the barbarians, I really believe these modern day barbarians will be the last to be assimilated into the info age and modern culture, layed siege to an outpost the Roman cavalry would rescue this outpost¨. Iraq is a friggin magnet for these assholes jihadis, if we were to man these garrisons and really conquer these fucks, there would be a half million men there, and the jihadis would look for something easier. Bush Cheney Powell and the rest know ancient history.....

And Rome still fell -------- your point is ???
Rome did not get that way over 800 years being stupid, we are barely 235 years old, we have been inovled in small wars for over 200 years, starting with the Barbary pirates, Mexico, the Indian wars, Pancho Villa, the Phillipines, the Boxers, all over the Caribbean plenty of times, Lebanon, Panama, Grenada, Bosnia and a host of other places. Iraq is a small war, a counterinsurgency. My point is we are taking the war to them as many empires have done and we are doing now, I know I admit being an empire and I am proud that we rule the world as the Persian, Greeks, Romans, Hapsburgs, French. Spaniards, and our mother country England did. There is no modern world, savagery was committed then as now....Are you denying we have military outposts in maybe over 100 countries......Change the scnario to today and the Roman cavalry would be QRFs, Styker Brigades, Rapid armor, MEFs, etc.......feel free to chime in.....

Give me a counter point Cyanide.....

Posted: 10/16/2004 4:05:22 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
Well --------- were committed and I stand with the troops -- got to.

Just kind of resent the way we went in and the lies that made it happen................

As should anyone that thinks with a free mind.

Free thinker my deep blue eyes.

Posted: 10/16/2004 4:09:31 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Well --------- were committed and I stand with the troops -- got to.

Just kind of resent the way we went in and the lies that made it happen................

As should anyone that thinks with a free mind.

Free thinker my deep blue eyes.

You gotta think freely and open your mind as to whys small and large wars happen. Economics and he who wins rules everything else......

Posted: 10/16/2004 4:12:17 PM EDT

[#15]

If I asked -------------

Who here trusts the government --- how many hands would go up ???

Then why do I get so many that say we are there and we are doing the right thing ???

Convoluted logic.

Hate me, not my thoughts. Think for gods sake --------------------- think

Posted: 10/16/2004 4:22:16 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
If I asked -------------

Who here trusts the government --- how many hands would go up ???

Then why do I get so many that say we are there and we are doing the right thing ???

Convoluted logic.

Hate me, not my thoughts. Think for gods sake --------------------- think

I only trust my mother, but I make sure I watch everything she does.....

Posted: 10/16/2004 4:46:04 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
If I asked -------------

Who here trusts the government --- how many hands would go up ???

Then why do I get so many that say we are there and we are doing the right thing ???

Convoluted logic.

Hate me, not my thoughts. Think for gods sake --------------------- think

I do trust my .gov to secure the resource I need to get to work in the morning.
Which would be gas. Not pretty but necessary.

After that, I don't trust them for much

GM

Posted: 10/16/2004 7:24:33 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Well --------- were committed and I stand with the troops -- got to.

Just kind of resent the way we went in and the lies that made it happen................

As should anyone that thinks with a free mind.

Enough of this crap that you are a free thinker and the rest of us are not. You parrot the fucking Dems in just about every post, including this one. Oh, they support the troops but are against the war. Yeah, right.

Posted: 10/16/2004 7:28:06 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
If I asked -------------

Who here trusts the government --- how many hands would go up ???

Then why do I get so many that say we are there and we are doing the right thing ???

Convoluted logic.

Hate me, not my thoughts. Think for gods sake --------------------- think

Oh, please, you are really getting pitiful. A distust of government in general, yet believing that we are doing the right thing in Iraq are not mutually exclusive things.

I am sure a lot of people in WWII did not trust the government completely, but I garauntee you that very few did not believe we were doing the right thing then.

I am so glad people like you and the rest of the libs weren't around then, for we would probably be speaking Japanese or German now.

Posted: 10/17/2004 3:56:55 AM EDT

[#20]

Notice that our esteemed "free thinker" won't answer any of my questions to him. What's the matter, Cyanide? Why was it ok for us to attack Germany when they didn't attack us? Why was it OK for us to go into Kosovo when they didn't attack us?

Just what ARE your justifications for going to war? Do we HAVE to be attacked first every time before we take action?

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:00:14 AM EDT

[#21]

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I dunno why no one gives a fuck that a murderuous fucking asshole now sits in a jail rotting away. +1 for global humanitarianism. We have stopped genocide and terrorism (of his own people) in one country, and plan on doing it in others.

Thats such bullshit justification for the war.

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:27:30 AM EDT

[#22]

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Quoted:
I dunno why no one gives a fuck that a murderuous fucking asshole now sits in a jail rotting away. +1 for global humanitarianism. We have stopped genocide and terrorism (of his own people) in one country, and plan on doing it in others.

Thats such bullshit justification for the war.

Your right of course ......................................................

Posted: 10/17/2004 4:55:38 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Quoted:
If I asked -------------

Who here trusts the government --- how many hands would go up ???

Then why do I get so many that say we are there and we are doing the right thing ???

Convoluted logic.

Hate me, not my thoughts. Think for gods sake --------------------- think

Oh, please, you are really getting pitiful. A distust of government in general, yet believing that we are doing the right thing in Iraq are not mutually exclusive things.

I am sure a lot of people in WWII did not trust the government completely, but I garauntee you that very few did not believe we were doing the right thing then.

I am so glad people like you and the rest of the libs weren't around then, for we would probably be speaking Japanese or German now.

LarryG, the depth and breadth of his insight and intelligence knows no bounds ! WMDs... WWII...Liberals....on and on ! And the VERY best thing of all: He IS NOT a Republican !

I am in awe.

Posted: 10/17/2004 5:25:56 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Well --------- were committed and I stand with the troops -- got to.

Just kind of resent the way we went in and the lies that made it happen................

As should anyone that thinks with a free mind.

Enough of this crap that you are a free thinker and the rest of us are not. You parrot the fucking Dems in just about every post, including this one. Oh, they support the troops but are against the war. Yeah, right.

I almost forgot how much the GOP depends on sheeple ............ you make me remember.

Thank you.

One of the main reasons they always of late come up with such piss poor Presidential candidates.

Posted: 10/17/2004 5:31:37 AM EDT

[#25]

We're still in Germany and Japan and it's been 69 years. Still in Korea too. I'm still waiting to get out of Yugoslavia and Bosinia by Christmas like Kamrade Clinton promised.

Posted: 10/17/2004 5:40:53 AM EDT

[#26]

Well Paul Afghanistan bankrupted Russia

I wonder if Iraqi will do the same for us ???

Posted: 10/17/2004 5:50:09 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
Well --------- were committed and I stand with the troops -- got to.

Just kind of resent the way we went in and the lies that made it happen................

As should anyone that thinks with a free mind.

Lies - ???

Too bad you're still not working for the NSA, US Military Intellegence, the CIA, and Russian and English intellegence too. You'd wouldn't have told lies. Of course there hasn't been one single byte provided of the truth of even an attempt to present false information with the intention of deceiving but that doesn't stop the liberals and their "free minds" from repeating lie over and over again.

You really ought to apply for duty with the CIA, with your keen thinking you could be a leader there.

Posted: 10/17/2004 5:52:40 AM EDT

[#28]

Are you going to stay in CA. now that your retired or are you moving to another state ???

Wondering for a reason.

Posted: 10/17/2004 5:53:30 AM EDT

[#29]

Isn't it amazing that the free world gets in wrong and only the socialist and communist nations get it right?

We're the ones that are lying.

We're the ones that get it wrong.

We're the ones with sheep.

They have enlighted thinkers.

They get it right.

They aren't lying.

Posted: 10/17/2004 5:54:36 AM EDT

[#30]

Don't look for me to brag up a communist state............. you've got the wrong number if you expect me to try .

Posted: 10/17/2004 5:55:19 AM EDT

[#31]

Still waiting for you to answer my questions, Cyanide.

Posted: 10/17/2004 5:55:30 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Well --------- were committed and I stand with the troops -- got to.

Just kind of resent the way we went in and the lies that made it happen................

As should anyone that thinks with a free mind.

Enough of this crap that you are a free thinker and the rest of us are not. You parrot the fucking Dems in just about every post, including this one. Oh, they support the troops but are against the war. Yeah, right.

I almost forgot how much the GOP depends on sheeple ............ you make me remember.

Thank you.

One of the main reasons they always of late come up with such piss poor Presidential candidates.

George W. Bush rivals Reagan as the best president of the last 50 years. What we have here is a glut of posters with empty criticism. Planerench out.

Posted: 10/17/2004 5:56:56 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Well Paul Afghanistan bankrupted Russia

I wonder if Iraqi will do the same for us ???

You can compare the United States with the old Soviet Union?

We have about 20 times the GNP of the them. Our Army took them in a month long effort where the Soviets couldn't get it done in ten years. We're setting up elections and a "free" governement. They attempted to put in a socialist puppet government.

Pretty much the same huh?

Posted: 10/17/2004 5:57:39 AM EDT

[#34]

If you mean George Sr.

Ok, no argument.

If you mean Jr.
sorry the gene was too diluted when he was hatched.

He has been the biggest disappointment to the GOP since ???

Posted: 10/17/2004 5:59:03 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Well Paul Afghanistan bankrupted Russia

I wonder if Iraqi will do the same for us ???

You can compare the United States with the old Soviet Union?

We have about 20 times the GNP of the them. Our Army took them in a month long effort where the Soviets couldn't get it done in ten years. We're setting up elections and a "free" government. They attempted to put in a socialist puppet government.

Pretty much the same huh?

We are in the exact same position as they were --

occupying forces in a country full of constant rebel attacks...

Can't you see that ???

Posted: 10/17/2004 6:00:29 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
Are you going to stay in CA. now that your retired or are you moving to another state ???

Wondering for a reason.

Nope staying here for the time being. I am still working in the satellite television industry. I started working three weeks ago for a company and have an interview next week with another.

Posted: 10/17/2004 6:00:36 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
Still waiting for you to answer my questions, Cyanide.

Asked and answered.

You just did not like the answers /?

Posted: 10/17/2004 6:01:29 AM EDT

[#38]

oh horse shit.

snicker

Chris

Quoted:
Quoted:
Five years from now I will say

I told you so

Like I did with the WMD issue of which many of the same people are here in this thread also.

They never seem to learn how to think.
They just follow.

No, you just parrot the Dems "no WMD" bullshit. If you don't understand that they were there before the war and are either buried or in Syria, you are either really thick headed, you just don't want to believe it, or Kerry told you not to believe it.

Posted: 10/17/2004 6:01:31 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Are you going to stay in CA. now that your retired or are you moving to another state ???

Wondering for a reason.

Nope staying here for the time being. I am still working in the satellite television industry. I started working three weeks ago for a company and have an interview next week with another.

Good luck.

Posted: 10/17/2004 6:02:24 AM EDT

[#40]

Jesus, Cy, take off the damn Democrat-issued blinders and join us in the the year 2004! We have taken over the country, these "insurgent" attacks are mosquito bites, we have turned their country over to them, they are having elections (first ever in the whole region since the dawn of time).

AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS, you coward.

"Notice that our esteemed "free thinker" won't answer any of my questions to him. What's the matter, Cyanide? Why was it ok for us to attack Germany when they didn't attack us? Why was it OK for us to go into Kosovo when they didn't attack us?

Just what ARE your justifications for going to war? Do we HAVE to be attacked first every time before we take action?"

Posted: 10/17/2004 6:06:25 AM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
Jesus, Cy, take off the damn Democrat-issued blinders and join us in the the year 2004! We have taken over the country, these "insurgent" attacks are mosquito bites, we have turned their country over to them, they are having elections (first ever in the whole region since the dawn of time).

AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS, you coward.

"Notice that our esteemed "free thinker" won't answer any of my questions to him. What's the matter, Cyanide? Why was it ok for us to attack Germany when they didn't attack us? Why was it OK for us to go into Kosovo when they didn't attack us?

Just what ARE your justifications for going to war? Do we HAVE to be attacked first every time before we take action?"

If my son or daughter was sent home in a box -- I would be very upset with that mosquito bites comment.

JMO

Posted: 10/17/2004 6:17:33 AM EDT

[#42]

Cyanide.....you start a thread, you have a right to say what you want, but at least offer a counterpoint......after all this is the point in a forum......

Posted: 10/17/2004 6:18:08 AM EDT

[#43]

OH, so the only wars that are justified and OK in your book are ones where no one on our side dies?

Another product of our public school system at work.

BTW - my brother and a good friend of mine are over there right now. THEY say the same thing - these are small, mosquito bite attacks. For every one of our guys that dies, hundreds of theirs go to meet Allah. We have more people die in car accidents every 2 weeks than have died in Iraq in 1.5 years.

I suppose next you'll want to ban automobiles, right?

AND ANSWER MY DAMN QUESTIONS!

Posted: 10/17/2004 6:19:39 AM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
Cyanide.....you start a thread, you have a right to say what you want, but at least offer a counterpoint......after all this is the point in a forum......

Give it up.

Cyanide does what he does best when confronted....he runs

SGatr15

Posted: 10/17/2004 6:25:03 AM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Jesus, Cy, take off the damn Democrat-issued blinders and join us in the the year 2004! We have taken over the country, these "insurgent" attacks are mosquito bites, we have turned their country over to them, they are having elections (first ever in the whole region since the dawn of time).

AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS, you coward.

"Notice that our esteemed "free thinker" won't answer any of my questions to him. What's the matter, Cyanide? Why was it ok for us to attack Germany when they didn't attack us? Why was it OK for us to go into Kosovo when they didn't attack us?

Just what ARE your justifications for going to war? Do we HAVE to be attacked first every time before we take action?"

If my son or daughter was sent home in a box -- I would be very upset with that mosquito bites comment.

JMO

Each and every post just shows your true colors. You parrot everything the Dems, particularly Kerry and his buds, say. Stop lying about it.

Posted: 10/17/2004 6:29:46 AM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Cyanide.....you start a thread, you have a right to say what you want, but at least offer a counterpoint......after all this is the point in a forum......

Give it up.

Cyanide does what he does best when confronted....he runs

SGatr15

He should start reading about the subject and do his research, foreign policy and warfare could fill volumes.....

Posted: 10/17/2004 10:46:12 AM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
oh horse shit.

snicker

Chris

Quoted:
Quoted:
Five years from now I will say

I told you so

Like I did with the WMD issue of which many of the same people are here in this thread also.

They never seem to learn how to think.
They just follow.

No, you just parrot the Dems "no WMD" bullshit. If you don't understand that they were there before the war and are either buried or in Syria, you are either really thick headed, you just don't want to believe it, or Kerry told you not to believe it.

Snicker all you want, vagina22, but your reliance on CNN for your sources tells us what you are really about.

Posted: 10/17/2004 11:49:00 AM EDT

[#48]

I bet that hurt LarryG

Posted: 10/17/2004 11:55:44 AM EDT

[#49]

gee Larry, there were 14 different news sites I could have used.

just so you get it right.
here's a quote from the cnn story.

a CIA report concludes

thank................

Chris

Quoted:
Quoted:
oh horse shit.

snicker

Chris

Quoted:
Quoted:
Five years from now I will say

I told you so

Like I did with the WMD issue of which many of the same people are here in this thread also.

They never seem to learn how to think.
They just follow.

No, you just parrot the Dems "no WMD" bullshit. If you don't understand that they were there before the war and are either buried or in Syria, you are either really thick headed, you just don't want to believe it, or Kerry told you not to believe it.

Snicker all you want, vagina22, but your reliance on CNN for your sources tells us what you are really about.

Posted: 10/17/2004 1:03:23 PM EDT

[#50]

He is gone -- will not return

the house of cards is falling ---
everyone sees that -- except a few die hards.

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