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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:05:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Frank762]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: How many Atomic bombs did the USMC deploy? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By Frank762: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Whatever you do, don't Google how many Marines were at the largest and most important beach landing in history How many atomic bombs lifted off from Normandy? How many Atomic bombs did the USMC deploy? The USMC and the Navy made it possible for two to be dropped. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:08:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Despite USN and USMC propaganda, the Army has done more landings and put far more men and material ashore via beach landings, than any other service. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By ske714: Army boats? Landing craft? Despite USN and USMC propaganda, the Army has done more landings and put far more men and material ashore via beach landings, than any other service. In WWII the Army had more ships than the Navy, believe it or not. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:27:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frank762: The USMC and the Navy made it possible for two to be dropped. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frank762: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By Frank762: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Whatever you do, don't Google how many Marines were at the largest and most important beach landing in history How many atomic bombs lifted off from Normandy? How many Atomic bombs did the USMC deploy? The USMC and the Navy made it possible for two to be dropped. Not really. They made large scale bombing possible. Delivering two bombs could have been done in a number of other ways. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:31:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By etslick: I think the question in my mind is what was more important to the command team in charge of this than making sure they did their job correctly? It smells like a case of the junior guys being told to shut up and color or “ just get it done” probably by some asinine timeline for what? Mother Nature can fuck shit up swiftly, even if constructed right. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:45:25 AM EDT
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DEI strikes again.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:56:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Not really. They made large scale bombing possible. Delivering two bombs could have been done in a number of other ways. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By Frank762: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By Frank762: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Whatever you do, don't Google how many Marines were at the largest and most important beach landing in history How many atomic bombs lifted off from Normandy? How many Atomic bombs did the USMC deploy? The USMC and the Navy made it possible for two to be dropped. Not really. They made large scale bombing possible. Delivering two bombs could have been done in a number of other ways. But they weren't, were they? |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 4:00:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Despite USN and USMC propaganda, the Army has done more landings and put far more men and material ashore via beach landings, than any other service. Yep, showing everyone how it is done right there in the pic. 
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:00:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: But aren't landing craft supposed to run around? Looks like it came in for a bad landing. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:56:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: I was in the Corps, but, um, D-Day kinda laughs in your general direction.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: Originally Posted By Kolat: Army trying to do marine things. They should have left it to the professionals I was in the Corps, but, um, D-Day kinda laughs in your general direction.... Operations TORCH (North Africa '42), HUSKY (Sicily), AVALANCHE (Salerno), SHINGLE (Anzio), OVERLORD (Normandy), and DRAGOON (Southern France), for a start. Then Makin Island, Eniwetok, Kwajalein, Attu, Kiska, and almost MacArthur's entire SoWesPac campaign (much though I think Mac is overrated in many ways, his forces did a shitload of amphibious landings and were mostly Army), the Philippines, Okinawa.... Granted, some of those were in conjunction with Marines, but the point remains. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:02:33 AM EDT
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No big deal - we leave equipment all over the world.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:22:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:33:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesquidliest: This is true. Army also used to operate deep water piers overseas. And Navy has more aircraft than the Zoomies, but Army might have more aircraft (rotary and fixed wing) than either Navy or Zoomies. It's why you can go straight from HS to pilot via Army Warrant program; they need a lot of pilots. Not true about navy having more aircraft than airforce. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:38:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJ7365: HAHAH "Doesn't we have" that is all kinds of WTF. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJ7365: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By Kolat: Army trying to do marine things. They should have left it to the professionals Seriously - .... Army? WTF? Doesn't we have an entire military division who this is literally their mission statement? HAHAH "Doesn't we have" that is all kinds of WTF. It's engineer speak. 
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Posted: 5/26/2024 9:05:55 AM EDT
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Meanwhile the Seabees are laughing their collective butts off.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 9:18:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Despite USN and USMC propaganda, the Army has done more landings and put far more men and material ashore via beach landings, than any other service. The Navy delivered the Army to the beach landing in Normandy. Those were not Army ships that go them there to Normandy. Sorry, but the Army has not put more men and of materials ashore than the Navy. The Army has a lot of small ships and boats, but they do not have aircraft carriers and strike groups if LHDs or LHSs designed for amphibious landings. In one humanitarian mission, the Navy has put more men and supplies ashore than the Army. Their stuff is for construction and supplies. I was in the boat landing team in Okinawa and were worked with the Army.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 9:22:26 AM EDT
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"stuck on an Israeli beach"
I like the sound of that. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 9:25:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: Meanwhile the Seabees are laughing their collective butts off. Do the Seabees construct, operate, and maintain off shore floating piers? |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 9:28:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Seabee_Mech]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sawgunner73: Do the Seabees construct, operate, and maintain off shore floating piers? ETA:   |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 9:29:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Despite USN and USMC propaganda, the Army has done more landings and put far more men and material ashore via beach landings, than any other service. This. However, I wonder how proficient our current Army is at these operations. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 9:38:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericaJr: https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/3787939/high-sea-states-impact-army-vessels/ TAMPA, Fla. – This morning (Gaza time), four U.S. Army vessels supporting the maritime humanitarian aid mission in Gaza were affected by heavy sea states. The vessels broke free from their moorings and two vessels are now anchored on the beach near the pier. The third and fourth vessels are beached on the coast of Israel near Ashkelon. Efforts to recover the vessels are under way with assistance from the Israeli Navy. The IDF is supporting the recovery efforts near the pier. No U.S. personnel will enter Gaza. No injuries have been reported and the pier remains fully functional. We will release additional details as they become available. LOL We're so chicken shit that we won't recover our own equipment. Fuck me... |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 9:44:38 AM EDT
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Gods way of saying leave my Israeli people alone and stay the fuck out of GAZA.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 10:09:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mpnelson81: This. However, I wonder how proficient our current Army is at these operations. Ship to shore logistics is not sexy and gets a tiny portion of the budget, that means poor manning, poor equipment and very little training opportunities. IIRC the Army amphibious units are mostly populated by Reserves. The Navy does maintain two active Amphibious Construction Battalions, one active Navy Cargo Handling Battalion and several assault craft units so they do get more opportunities to practice their craft. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 1:59:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FightingHellfish]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SteelonSteel: The army chiefs specifically kept the Marines out of D day and “their” theater. They didn’t want any PR to go to the Marines. Didn’t matter as there weren’t enough Marines for the Pacific theater, Army was still needed there. Maybe partially, but I think Marine generals remembered Marine regiments being brigaded into Army divisions in WWI and were pretty jealous to keep USMC control of Marine units (and to get their slice of those division and corps level general stars). |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:02:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frank762: How many atomic bombs lifted off from Normandy? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frank762: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Whatever you do, don't Google how many Marines were at the largest and most important beach landing in history How many atomic bombs lifted off from Normandy? The only reason Berlin wasn't nuked first is they surrendered several months before the bomb was available. Had Japan done likewise, they could have avoided it as well. In any event, it was the US Army Air Force that delivered them. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:50:33 PM EDT
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What we get for giving aid and comfort to terrorists
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:52:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By not_sure: The only reason Berlin wasn't nuked first is they surrendered several months before the bomb was available. Had Japan done likewise, they could have avoided it as well. In any event, it was the US Army Air Force that delivered them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By not_sure: Originally Posted By Frank762: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Whatever you do, don't Google how many Marines were at the largest and most important beach landing in history How many atomic bombs lifted off from Normandy? The only reason Berlin wasn't nuked first is they surrendered several months before the bomb was available. Had Japan done likewise, they could have avoided it as well. In any event, it was the US Army Air Force that delivered them. Exactly what I said above. How many were needed. They were beaten conventionally, no need. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:23:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creatyre: LOL We're so chicken shit that we won't recover our own equipment. Fuck me... Goes hand in hand with leaving all sorts of stuff in Afghanistan |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:28:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prijador: $320 million dollars, to support people who cheered on 9/11. No money for the US border tho. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prijador: Originally Posted By AmericaJr:
$320 million dollars, to support people who cheered on 9/11. No money for the US border tho. There should be a tax revolt Imagine if the 50% that pay just said nope. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:45:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SteelonSteel: Generally on navy landing craft but I will concede they do landings, or at least did historically. Coast Guard, not the Navy, conned the landing craft. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:48:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rick-OShay: Coast Guard, not the Navy, conned the landing craft. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rick-OShay: Originally Posted By SteelonSteel: Generally on navy landing craft but I will concede they do landings, or at least did historically. Coast Guard, not the Navy, conned the landing craft. That's like saying the Aircorps/Air force has done more airborne drops than the Army, because they flew the planes. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:49:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taboot: Do what now? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taboot: Originally Posted By ske714: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Originally Posted By ske714: Army boats? Landing craft? Despite USN and USMC propaganda, the Army has done more landings and put far more men and material ashore via beach landings, than any other service. But aren't landing craft supposed to run around? Technically landing craft are supposed to "beach", which involves dropping an anchor before they run the ramp onto the beach so they can winch themselves off with the anchor windlass. So a "beaching" is a "grounding" but not all groundings are beachings. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:54:08 PM EDT
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"During World War II, the U.S. Army operated about 127,800 watercraft of various types.[1] Those included large troop and cargo transport ships that were Army-owned hulls, vessels allocated by the War Shipping Administration, bareboat charters, and time charters. In addition to the transports, the Army fleet included specialized types. Those included vessels not related to transport such as mine warfare vessels, waterway or port maintenance ships, and other service craft.
For example:[1] Troop and cargo ships over 1,000 gross tons that often carried the U.S. Army Transport ship prefix "USAT" with their name if they were Army owned or bareboat chartered: 1,557 ships Other ships over 1,000 gross tons, including hospital ships (prefix "USAHS"), cable ships, aircraft repair ships, port repair ships and others without any title other than "U.S. Army" and a number or name: 108 ships Vessels under 1,000 gross tons of numerous types that include the 511 FS ("Freight and Supply") small nonstandard coastal freighters of numerous designs, 361 minecraft with the large Mine Planters carrying U.S. Army Mine Planter (prefix "USAMP") with a number above a name, 4,343 tugs of all types and a varied array of 4,697 launches and small service craft just designated U.S. Army with a number or name: 12,379 Barges and non-propelled watercraft that included 16,787 pontoons: 25,383 Amphibious assault craft: 88,366 Limiting the number to only the named and numbered vessels, discounting the various simple barges and amphibious assault craft, the remaining number is 14,044 vessels." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_of_the_United_States_Army |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 4:50:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skydivesnake: 320 million fucking dollars  320 million dollars, and they can't even prevent the dock from breaking up from waves? Who could have figured there would be waves in a place like that?? |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:17:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CouchCommando22: The Navy delivered the Army to the beach landing in Normandy. Those were not Army ships that go them there to Normandy. Sorry, but the Army has not put more men and of materials ashore than the Navy. The Army has a lot of small ships and boats, but they do not have aircraft carriers and strike groups if LHDs or LHSs designed for amphibious landings. In one humanitarian mission, the Navy has put more men and supplies ashore than the Army. Their stuff is for construction and supplies. I was in the boat landing team in Okinawa and were worked with the Army. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/324355/2C2D189F-97C1-48BB-9616-A655B877EED0_jpe-3223888.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CouchCommando22: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Despite USN and USMC propaganda, the Army has done more landings and put far more men and material ashore via beach landings, than any other service. The Navy delivered the Army to the beach landing in Normandy. Those were not Army ships that go them there to Normandy. Sorry, but the Army has not put more men and of materials ashore than the Navy. The Army has a lot of small ships and boats, but they do not have aircraft carriers and strike groups if LHDs or LHSs designed for amphibious landings. In one humanitarian mission, the Navy has put more men and supplies ashore than the Army. Their stuff is for construction and supplies. I was in the boat landing team in Okinawa and were worked with the Army. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/324355/2C2D189F-97C1-48BB-9616-A655B877EED0_jpe-3223888.JPG The landing craft on D-day were operated by Coasties. (which I always thought was odd) |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 12:10:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: michigan66]
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A grab from @MarineTraffic shows the swell, wave and wind wave heights for Monday, May 27 topping one meter. Wind is in excess of 20 to 40 km/hr (12-24 mph). JLOTS is designed to operate up to sea state 3 (7-10kts of wind and three feet. The current conditions are outside the window for a JLOTS op.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 12:33:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By not_sure: The landing craft on D-day were operated by Coasties. (which I always thought was odd) Not all of them. Just the ones that took the most famous pictures. Why is that? Would you not employ ready trained crews who have a long tradition and applicable training for operating small boats near coast lines? It would really blow your mind to learn that a cutter was sailing with Dewey at the battle of Manilla Bay, they landed troops in the Mexican American war, fired the first Naval shots of the US civil war, and even operated an iron clad warship during that same war. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 12:53:07 AM EDT
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Where is Matt's Off Road recovery when you need them.
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Posted: 5/28/2024 1:07:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By not_sure: The only reason Berlin wasn't nuked first is they surrendered several months before the bomb was available. Had Japan done likewise, they could have avoided it as well. In any event, it was the US Army Air Force that delivered them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By not_sure: Originally Posted By Frank762: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: Whatever you do, don't Google how many Marines were at the largest and most important beach landing in history How many atomic bombs lifted off from Normandy? The only reason Berlin wasn't nuked first is they surrendered several months before the bomb was available. Had Japan done likewise, they could have avoided it as well. In any event, it was the US Army Air Force that delivered them. Only because the Navy and Marines bought the airfield. |
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