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Posted: 5/26/2024 1:52:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JackRebney: Pretty much anyone who knows anything about guns knows that 1911/2011 type pistols without FPBs can fire when dropped on the muzzle. Titanium firing pin supposedly solves (perhaps only mitigates?) the issue. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:04:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kolat: So it's just as safe as an ar15......... The ar15 can go bang just dropping the bolt on a loaded round. Oh wow. How often does that happen? I’m a small sample size but it hasn’t happened to me in the thousands of times I’ve done it. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:55:07 AM EDT
[#3]
Are all Staccato’s just in 9mm?
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:09:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WeimaranerDad: Are all Staccato’s just in 9mm? Only in 9mm |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:39:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By topgunpilot20: Ben knows that 1911s can fire if dropped muzzle down. He's posting this specifically to stir up internet controversy. This. It's his MO |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:41:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dumak: Only in 9mm Thanks! I guess nobody is shooting iron sighted .40 cal 2011’s in USPSA’s Limited Division any more? |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:42:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By S-1: This. It's his MO I thought youtube de- monetized all gun related videos years ago??? |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:46:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: pctech]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JackRebney: Pretty much anyone who knows anything about guns knows that 1911/2011 type pistols without FPBs can fire when dropped on the muzzle. Titanium firing pin supposedly solves (perhaps only mitigates?) the issue. I highly doubt that Ruger (of all companies) would manufacture series 70 1911's if they were not completely confident that using a titanium firing pin makes the design 100% drop-safe.  |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 4:05:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drobs: Still safer than a Sig 320 that fires while holstered. 
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 4:34:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: Oh wow. How often does that happen? I’m a small sample size but it hasn’t happened to me in the thousands of times I’ve done it. More often than dropping loaded staccato XCs on their barrel on accident. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:39:15 AM EDT
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The only thing surprising about this...is how many people were surprised by the results.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:43:43 AM EDT
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Why is anyone surprised by this?
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:09:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HomeAtLast: Why is anyone surprised by this? Because they don't understand physics or firearm design or engineering? |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:12:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: Oh wow. How often does that happen? I’m a small sample size but it hasn’t happened to me in the thousands of times I’ve done it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: Originally Posted By Kolat: So it's just as safe as an ar15......... The ar15 can go bang just dropping the bolt on a loaded round. Oh wow. How often does that happen? I’m a small sample size but it hasn’t happened to me in the thousands of times I’ve done it. Most likely to happen when the improper manual of arms is used. Same as M1 and M1a. You're not supposed to drop a round in the chamber and let the bolt slam shut on it, especially in firearms with free float firing pins. It's potentially dangerous and also hard on the extractor in some cases. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:15:26 AM EDT
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a pistol i would never buy any ways
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Posted: 5/26/2024 10:44:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WeimaranerDad: Thanks! I guess nobody is shooting iron sighted .40 cal 2011’s in USPSA’s Limited Division any more? Limited is dead |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 11:18:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AaronR]
[#17]
GD likes getting its knickers in a knot
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Posted: 5/26/2024 11:40:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2024 11:41:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowkota1: You have a stuck firing pin, worlds softest primer or what? Cause that ain't supposed to happen.  You get little firing pin marks on the primers from the floating firing pin, but thats about it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowkota1: Originally Posted By Kolat: Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/200-816.gif Have you ever ah... Used an AR15 before? Yea and I've had a factory ar15 go bang when dropping the bolt on factory ammo. You have a stuck firing pin, worlds softest primer or what? Cause that ain't supposed to happen. You get little firing pin marks on the primers from the floating firing pin, but thats about it. Remington advises not using some of their softer primers with AR's. 6 1/2 I believe. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 11:44:38 AM EDT
[#20]
Also it's not really an issue. Basically it can only fire if the barrel is pointed down and dropped on a hard surface.
Basically the gun shoots the ground and sends shrapnel flying. The gun isn't going to directly shoot anyone. I was thinking multi story building shooting down at someone, but I have a feeling anything that 9mm would pass through is soft enough not to actually set it off when dropped against. Maybe a bare plywood floor? |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 1:41:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Advance: Looks like the hammer held so it is a firing pin / firing pin spring issue. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/Screenshot_2024-05-25_131418_png-3223086.JPG Inertial firing pins are things which exist. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 1:46:23 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Limited is dead Ban power factors, for the children. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 1:59:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WeimaranerDad: Thanks! I guess nobody is shooting iron sighted .40 cal 2011’s in USPSA’s Limited Division any more? They are, just not Staccatos. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:00:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pctech: I highly doubt that Ruger (of all companies) would manufacture series 70 1911's if they were not completely confident that using a titanium firing pin makes the design 100% drop-safe. With the correct weight firing pin spring you can. Dan Wesson builds Series 70’s and say they’re drop safe. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 2:56:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Limited is dead For real? When I shot USPSA, which was over 12 years ago, Open and Limited divisions drew in the most people. Then Production. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:23:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WeimaranerDad: For real? When I shot USPSA, which was over 12 years ago, Open and Limited divisions drew in the most people. Then Production. Errrrrryyyyone is shooting optics now. I don’t think Limited is “dead”, but it’s dying fast. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:33:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Errrrrryyyyone is shooting optics now. I don’t think Limited is “dead”, but it’s dying fast. And anyone shooting single stack or limited 10 parks in handicapped parking at Walmart. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 3:53:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperHeavy: Remington advises not using some of their softer primers with AR's. 6 1/2 I believe. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 4:35:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kolat: And anyone shooting single stack or limited 10 parks in handicapped parking at Walmart. I shoot Single Stack. 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 4:45:16 PM EDT
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Is this something that's supposed to keep me awake nights?
Cooper covered this very thing in one of his columns published during the Pleistocene era. IIRC, he wrote that in testing the firing pin would deliver sufficient force to compress the primer in 1 out of 250 tries. This would only happen under certain conditions: the piece must be dropped from sufficient height (I don't recall how high), it must strike the surface very nearly perpendicular (~90 degrees) in order to induce movement against the firing pin spring, and the surface must be unyielding, like concrete floor or steel decking. If, in that situation, the cartridge does fire, the bullet will strike said surface and due to the near right angle the danger to anyone or anything nearby will be minimal at most. The conclusion? If you are worried about your pistol firing when dropped, don't drop your pistol. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 4:46:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By S-1: This. It's his MO Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By S-1: Originally Posted By topgunpilot20: Ben knows that 1911s can fire if dropped muzzle down. He's posting this specifically to stir up internet controversy. This. It's his MO To be fair, he states that he has CZs that are capable of doing the same thing. Also these other companies don't advertise these pistols as being "duty" ready. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 4:53:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: I shoot Single Stack. 🤷🏻♂️ Don't need to improve to place better, just have to out live your competition. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 4:54:26 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kolat: So it's just as safe as an ar15......... The ar15 can go bang just dropping the bolt on a loaded round. tell us you have zero experience with the AR15 platform without telling us. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:49:22 PM EDT
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So the theory is that the technology that won two world wars isn't fit for copper duty? LOL
Ben is a master troll. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:10:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JCIN]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: This was an attempt at epic trolling Ben has the schitck of acting like a guy who is just asking questions and trying things. It makes the shit stirring funnier. Some of his choices since getting into carbines has me sometimes questioning if its an act though. He just may be that autistic. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:42:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burkeva: tell us you have zero experience with the AR15 platform without telling us. Multiple people in this thread have already provided an explanation for his statement. Your posts are peak dunning kruger effect. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:53:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kolat: Don't need to improve to place better, just have to out live your competition. Legit lol 😂 I mean, you’re not wrong. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 9:14:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/200-816.gif Have you ever ah... Used an AR15 before? AR15s use a free floating firing pin, just like a 1911. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 12:57:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jellyfrosh: AR15s use a free floating firing pin, just like a 1911.  |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 1:13:05 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jellyfrosh: AR15s use a free floating firing pin, just like a 1911.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 2:18:13 AM EDT
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It’s almost like Colt made the Series 80 for a reason.
 There’s a video where a guy drops an AR off his porch down to his basement patio. A full story drop and it didn’t go off. Yes, 5.56 uses hardened primers, just like most rifle pressure military cartridges do. Some people might actually care about popping printers when their life depends on it. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 12:00:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burkeva: tell us you have zero experience with the AR15 platform without telling us. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burkeva: Originally Posted By Kolat: So it's just as safe as an ar15......... The ar15 can go bang just dropping the bolt on a loaded round. tell us you have zero experience with the AR15 platform without telling us. LOL. 'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool... |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 1:43:43 PM EDT
[#43]
 Should a dooty gun be drop safe? |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 1:53:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: networkguru]
[#44]
Series 80 1911's seem like it defeats the purpose of the 1911 trigger.
I had a SR1911 commander. Id get a staccato but Im not a hero. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 1:56:33 PM EDT
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Quote History"I guess we'll do the same thing on the P when I get that one. We'll see how that goes."  This after reading 10 comments on how series 70 works and discussing how it's expected to fire when there's no firing pin block. That dude has the life. People pay him to shoot and he goes on the internet to talk shit and gets paid for that too. Winning. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 9:54:45 AM EDT
[#46]
 Should all guns be drop safe? |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 11:01:33 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WeimaranerDad: Thanks! I guess nobody is shooting iron sighted .40 cal 2011’s in USPSA’s Limited Division any more? Yeah Limited Major is pretty much dead. It was seriously wounded by carry optics and killed by limited optics. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 11:12:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KaerMorhenResident]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thatguybryan: Series 70 1911 actions are not drop safe. This is why colt and kimber went to the series 80 (though I don’t personally believe it necessary). So, technically a multitude of 1911 pattern guns would probably not pass a drop test. Hilton Yam of 10-8 performance did a test a while back on this, and IIRC even the titanium firing pin guns (which is usually the suggested drop safe fix for series 70 1911s) went bang when dropped. CZ Shadow 2s are also not drop safe, and neither are most shotguns. ETA: I also believe a member here dropped his Nighthawk 1911 and had it go boom in a bathroom. Thank you, voice of reason above here. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 2:22:56 PM EDT
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It's because they invited Tulsi to their event, REEEEEE
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Posted: 5/28/2024 2:35:11 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thatguybryan: Series 70 1911 actions are not drop safe. This is why colt and kimber went to the series 80 (though I don't personally believe it necessary). So, technically a multitude of 1911 pattern guns would probably not pass a drop test. Hilton Yam of 10-8 performance did a test a while back on this, and IIRC even the titanium firing pin guns (which is usually the suggested drop safe fix for series 70 1911s) went bang when dropped. CZ Shadow 2s are also not drop safe, and neither are most shotguns. ETA: I also believe a member here dropped his Nighthawk 1911 and had it go boom in a bathroom.  CZ Shadow 2 Extended Firing Pins |
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