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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 6:00:25 PM EDT
[#1]
They hate you and want you dead. If they can kill your wife and your worthless white brood too so much the better.
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 6:09:48 PM EDT
[#2]
Past time for tree of liberty and all of that.
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Posted: 5/23/2024 6:15:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By miseses: I imagine the career of most ATF agents is exceedingly boring. Smashing in doors of a white collar airport manager is the English equivalent of the 19th century Englishman who goes home to his wife bragging of shooting down the Zulu tribesman with a machinegun. It's a cheap thrill and they can get away with it, so why not. I wouldn't look for a whole lot of further meaning than that. 
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Posted: 5/23/2024 6:19:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 33hounds: Nothing will be done about this as usual, it's just a show. They can kill us but don't you dare even shoot at one of them, or worse. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 6:53:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rustler: And there were no body cameras on, even though it was Little Rock PD's policy that they were to have them on, even when assisting the FBI. Those that hide what they are doing fear the light. Can't imagine why they went to multiple levels to conceal the truth. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 7:25:12 PM EDT
[#6]
A rogue, lawless agency with zero accountability taking orders from a corrupt regime that has been overrun with communist radicals who want to destroy the country. That's their mission statement now.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 7:31:23 PM EDT
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Always have multiple cameras, and multiple camera types.
I've got methheads next to me and almost across the street. I have home system cameras facing out, and multiple gamen't think off. i have cameras facing the house from trees, and other places you wouldn't expect, the tree cameras are giveaways except for a handful. They're made to be seen. The other cameras are well hidden to catch anyone taking those down. My neighbor does the same, and he covers my house and yard, and I cover his. That's the only way you can protect yourself. We both have cameras focused on his parent's home, and his parent's cover us. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 7:36:18 PM EDT
[#8]
Federal Robots.... hut hut hut hut
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Posted: 5/23/2024 7:37:02 PM EDT
[#9]
How we burned in the camps.......
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Posted: 5/23/2024 7:38:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Arty8: How we burned in the camps....... |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 7:46:31 PM EDT
[#11]
I wonder how much CT scan or MRI machines go for scrap. The magnet inside those can send a fire extinguisher flying across the room. imagining a bunch of dudes loaded down with metal items walking past one lol
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Posted: 5/23/2024 7:51:00 PM EDT
[#12]
Another reason to put your security camera system on a UPS.
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USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 7:55:40 PM EDT
[#13]
ATF is GAY
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Posted: 5/23/2024 7:56:02 PM EDT
[#14]
If Jim Jordan is on it we are guaranteed to get some awesome sound bites and ATF's budget expanded.
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Posted: 5/23/2024 8:10:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackslack: We are not free. Not as bad as many countries. But if you think America still exists like it did for your father and grandfather, you're delusional. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 8:15:54 PM EDT
[#16]
What's the problem? At least they didn't use tanks and kill everyone.
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Posted: 5/23/2024 8:17:54 PM EDT
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CoC
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USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 8:18:20 PM EDT
[#18]
Just think, if he had been a member of the Taliban, Biden would have given him machine guns, armored vehicles and money instead of executing him.
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Posted: 5/23/2024 8:29:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackslack: We are not free. Not as bad as many countries. But if you think America still exists like it did for your father and grandfather, you're delusional. Ironic as the baby boomers (my father's generation) basked in the glory of the free 60's and 70's. Then, as they got older they entered politics and absolutely destroyed the freedoms they enjoyed for their children and grandchildren. My father was a rebellious lefty against my conservative traditional grandfather. A world renowned cancer surgeon getting shat on by his deluded-by-hippies and counterculture son.... Yeah, I'm a bit bitter about my father fucking up my ability to really get to know my grandpa for various reasons. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 8:42:13 PM EDT
[#20]
When the man comes around
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USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 8:46:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackslack: We are not free. Not as bad as many countries. But if you think America still exists like it did for your father and grandfather, you're delusional.  Attached FileStill going through the stages of grief, huh? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 8:48:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By d16man: They wanted a confrontation. Plain and simple. If/When there might not be enough information to get a conviction. This seems like an excellent strategy to intimidate the sheep. Most people will assume guilt, and explain it away as if their innocence will somehow keep them from being targeted for termination. When reports read with terms like target or suspect what do you expect? |
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USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 8:49:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Butternut: But these cowards won't go into the lesser desirable neighborhoods and kick in doors, no matter how many Glock switches are known to be there. Of course not. That hysteria helps justify murder. Besides, no one cares if a few minorities kill each other. Prove me wrong based on the actions by the .gov. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 8:55:35 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By juan223: They SHOT thru the roof, you used to be able to hear the audio of the OUTgoing rounds from INside the helo on Dave Hardy's website a long tome ago, he got all the FOIA from .gov. A VERY FAMOUS ARF lawyer now has ALL that FOIA stuff and i HOPE he fucking gets that shit out on the open again SOON rather thn fucking SIT on it...  I remember that audio…. IIRC, it was the black dude in the congregation (Wayne?) that called into 911 asking them to call off the raid because there were women and children inside and you could hear the rounds coming in thru the roof and him talking about it as they made a strafing pass. I’d love to have heard what the tactical thought process was that justified shooting down into the roof of a heavily occupied building was…… Of course, this shouldn’t be a surprise… We are talking about the same FBI that said they knew there weren’t enough masks to go around and none for the small children and babies when they CS gassed them to death… They literally admitted to congress that they tortured the kids to make the parent compliant. Most were already dead though, and the one that were alive died shortly after when the CS powder, $6m dollars worth in 55 gallon drums was burned in the fire….. It creates a form of Cyanide, apparently. More than one of the babies had a broken back in the autopsy report from convulsions.. Let that sink in. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 8:56:31 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGuy: They could have had the sheriff pick up David Koresh while he was in town. Exactly - or simply knock on the door to discuss things. What really stinks about these things is they won't do it to actual criminals - just the 'politically incorrect'! |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 8:57:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: Given the timing, it seems to me they wanted an example of what they could do to you with their new "Rule". More to the point, they were showing why they needed it. These dangerous conservative gun owners are willing to go to he mat when they raid them in the dark….. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 9:02:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lawmonkey: 100% right. I think he ran an airport. He was "selling guns" as a hobby, not raping and murdering. Certainly not a violent criminal warranting a no knock at the crack of dawn. You just call the guy and sit down with him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lawmonkey: Originally Posted By SnoGoRider: I think Jim Jordan said the guy made roughly $235,000 a year. You think a guy of his nature and his upstanding in the community, they could have probably contacted him and set up a meeting with him. 100% right. I think he ran an airport. He was "selling guns" as a hobby, not raping and murdering. Certainly not a violent criminal warranting a no knock at the crack of dawn. You just call the guy and sit down with him. But he could have flushed the guns down the toilet to get rid of the evidence! |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 9:07:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lawmonkey: That is THE question, isn't it? Either they murdered a man who committed no crime, or they killed a dangerous criminal during a justified no knock warrant. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lawmonkey: Originally Posted By ozarker: If I wanted to sell some of my personal collection, how many is too many? What number indicates I'm in firearms business and not simply selling some of my own guns to other individuals? Is there a magic number, do I guess or let atfe make random decision?. That is THE question, isn't it? Either they murdered a man who committed no crime, or they killed a dangerous criminal during a justified no knock warrant. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 9:09:52 PM EDT
[#29]
Anyone with LE experience please:
Why would you put off a search warrant when less people are on site? Wouldnt that be safer for personnel? Would local cops be told the guy was being investigated for selling firearms without a license? I'd hope a local agency would nope out of that. Is there any reason I'm missing other than they were seeking a confrontation? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 9:11:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Dempsey: Can’t we just review the bodycam footage to get the answer? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Dempsey: Originally Posted By Lawmonkey: Originally Posted By ozarker: If I wanted to sell some of my personal collection, how many is too many? What number indicates I'm in firearms business and not simply selling some of my own guns to other individuals? Is there a magic number, do I guess or let atfe make random decision?. That is THE question, isn't it? Either they murdered a man who committed no crime, or they killed a dangerous criminal during a justified no knock warrant. Apparently despite both ATF and local LEO policy requiring body cams, cams were not worn, or they have received the Hillary treatment. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 9:23:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: Apparently despite both ATF and local LEO policy requiring body cams, cams were not worn, or they have received the Hillary treatment. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: Originally Posted By Jack_Dempsey: Originally Posted By Lawmonkey: Originally Posted By ozarker: If I wanted to sell some of my personal collection, how many is too many? What number indicates I'm in firearms business and not simply selling some of my own guns to other individuals? Is there a magic number, do I guess or let atfe make random decision?. That is THE question, isn't it? Either they murdered a man who committed no crime, or they killed a dangerous criminal during a justified no knock warrant. Apparently despite both ATF and local LEO policy requiring body cams, cams were not worn, or they have received the Hillary treatment. That tells you everything you need to know right there. All we need now is for them to investigate themselves and find no wrong doing. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 9:31:47 PM EDT
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Does anyone know if his selling at a gun show was a one time thing or was it a common occurrence?
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:07:42 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 33hounds: Nothing will be done about this as usual, it's just a show. They can kill us but don't you dare even shoot at one of them, or worse.  Attached File |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:18:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: The FBI had authorized the use of lethal force in the Mar-a-Lago raid. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: Originally Posted By Shinji_Ikari: By chance, do you have a link to these contingencies? Kinda concerning, but I would like to know. The FBI had authorized the use of lethal force in the Mar-a-Lago raid. There is a recent thread here on that subject. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:18:49 PM EDT
[#35]
 Chappelle's Show - Tron Carter's "Law & Order" - Uncensored Poor Satchco |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:22:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SnoGoRider]
[#36]
Rep Nehls: "You've got a $1.672 BILLION, with a B, budget and you can't afford body cameras?" for 11,000 Warrants
27 Second clip
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:25:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnoGoRider: Rep Nehls: "You've got a $1.672 BILLION, with a B, budget and you can't afford body cameras?" for 11,000 Warrants 27 Second clip
It’s funny, I think most officers, departments, and the public have come around to seeing the benefit of body cameras. Body cameras probably exonerate officer actions more often than they prove bad fuck ups / corruption. The ATF sees this and is like “uh yeah fuck that!” I wonder why. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:27:05 PM EDT
[#38]
He said $265k a year and ran the Bill and Hillary Clinton National Airport.
I think the guy is pretty easy to find with that position. What’s the point of coming in in the middle of darkness |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:27:08 PM EDT
[#39]
And then there are the boot licking fed BOIS in here that try to say there won't be a civil war.........We are already there and they are killing us.
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:27:58 PM EDT
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I was going to say something, but eh Fuck the ATF.
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:33:52 PM EDT
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:40:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ozarker: If I wanted to sell some of my personal collection, how many is too many? What number indicates I'm in firearms business and not simply selling some of my own guns to other individuals? Is there a magic number, do I guess or let atfe make random decision?. Honestly, the only super safe way would be to have a dealer buy your entire collection, but you would take a hit on the market value. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 10:53:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By miseses: I imagine the career of most ATF agents is exceedingly boring. Smashing in doors of a white collar airport manager is the English equivalent of the 19th century Englishman who goes home to his wife bragging of shooting down the Zulu tribesman with a machinegun. It's a cheap thrill and they can get away with it, so why not. I wouldn't look for a whole lot of further meaning than that. Well said |
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USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 11:10:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Andr0id: What if he had flushed the guns down the toilet? Now that would be a toilet I would be interested in as my Kohler's are just not cutting it. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 11:23:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By McGuy: They could have had the sheriff pick up David Koresh while he was in town. That wouldn't have helped their budget increase argument |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 11:33:20 PM EDT
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Sure seems like they committed premeditated murder.
wonder when a good cops gonna arrest them and a DAs gonna press charges and Congress is going to pull their funding? |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2024 11:48:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johhnyrotten: Does anyone know if his selling at a gun show was a one time thing or was it a common occurrence? The warrant affidavit says multiple occurrences. That’s the ATFs document though so who knows. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 11:52:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wolfdentd: And then there are the boot licking fed BOIS in here that try to say there won't be a civil war.........We are already there and they are killing us. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/24/2024 12:14:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: Anyone with LE experience please: Why would you put off a search warrant when less people are on site? Depending on the case and what you're looking for(which does not apply here), you might want to ensure that the suspect is on scene because he might be carrying what you're looking for. Wouldnt that be safer for personnel? Less people involved will always be safer, yes. Would local cops be told the guy was being investigated for selling firearms without a license? I'd hope a local agency would nope out of that. Is there any reason I'm missing other than they were seeking a confrontation? I would absolutely expect anyone involved in executing the warrant to be briefed on the what and why, and definitely right before it's carried out. Not all local agencies are the same. Some good, some bad. Responses embedded. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 5/24/2024 12:18:50 AM EDT
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My only thoughts are CoC violations.
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