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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:09:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BeaOProblem: The utility company released this statement. If it's true that no law enforcement agency has attempted to contact the company, that's odd. https://i.postimg.cc/3x39G1hT/445550843-971701301629735-5824240448923590406-n.jpg That’s interesting. So the deceased is an asylee from Russia due to the war. That’s pretty fast to get a job. That company probably employs a lot of asylees. I wonder if that company, or any of its subsidiaries, gets government contracts. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:20:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: You should have proned the tree trimmers in the ditch at gun point until they could ID themselves with all of the contract paperwork that is sitting on a desk somewhere. There’s an easement on my property. If you are on the easement and I don’t know you are going to be there, you will show an ID or correspondence from the company, or you can leave or wait for the sheriff. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:24:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: There's an easement on my property. If you are on the easement and I don't know you are going to be there, you will show an ID or correspondence from the company, or you can leave or wait for the sheriff. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:24:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: You should have proned the tree trimmers in the ditch at gun point until they could ID themselves with all of the contract paperwork that is sitting on a desk somewhere. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: Originally Posted By TXBBQGuy: Ya, all the ones I see around here have signs saying "contractor for (insert utility here)" with what appears to be the "official" logo of the utility. The only exception I've seen to that is the tree trimmers for power, but they've always been in marked company trucks Why, they were in marked trucks with safety yellow or orange shirts on with the company name, not wandering around in plain clothes and vehicles |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:26:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TXBBQGuy: Why, they were in marked trucks with safety yellow or orange shirts on with the company name, not wandering around in plain clothes and vehicles |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:33:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: They send a letter first. Nobody ever "carded" us or called the police. That's just arfcom fantasy land. You're still too obtuse to realize that if these guys were out at sunset, which you say you don't do, that maybe there's other things that they were/were not doing that are different than what you do. Like, maybe they didn't send a letter. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:38:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: Doesn't make a difference either way. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: Originally Posted By TXBBQGuy: Why, they were in marked trucks with safety yellow or orange shirts on with the company name, not wandering around in plain clothes and vehicles When they have to go through your yard/property to get to their work it absolutely does. No sane person, with a family especially, is just letting Joe shit the ragman go wandering through his backyard |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:47:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: You're still too obtuse to realize that if these guys were out at sunset, which you say you don't do, that maybe there's other things that they were/were not doing that are different than what you do. Like, maybe they didn't send a letter. Half of you already have Colomboed up the "true events" basis for three heroic action packed movies, a mini series, and a made for TV movie out of absolutely no real information at all. A bunch even know for sure that the Chechen was here illegally. Most of you are dead certain that there is some law (mostly in the east I guess?) that a sub-contractor has to dress the way you want, and if there isn't a law, there ought to be. 
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:49:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: So you’re saying, unless it’s a public easement, he should have identification to show the owner that he can be on the easement Not necessarily. It would be an area of dispute, but it is a permanent utility easement. There is no option for revocation or anything else. The utility has a right to the land. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:51:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: No, I never posted anything about them except I have no idea what went on there and neither does anyone else posting here. You don't know whether they sent a letter or not. You have no idea whether they were sub-contractors that were supposed to be there or not. Nobody knows whether the shooter was a lunatic or not (though some of the posters are at least half way there themselves). Half of you already have Colomboed up the "true events" basis for three heroic action packed movies, a mini series, and a made for TV movie out of absolutely no real information at all. A bunch even know for sure that the Chechen was here illegally. Most of you are dead certain that there is some law (mostly in the east I guess?) that a sub-contractor has to dress the way you want, and if there isn't a law, there ought to be. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: Originally Posted By Logcutter: You're still too obtuse to realize that if these guys were out at sunset, which you say you don't do, that maybe there's other things that they were/were not doing that are different than what you do. Like, maybe they didn't send a letter. Half of you already have Colomboed up the "true events" basis for three heroic action packed movies, a mini series, and a made for TV movie out of absolutely no real information at all. A bunch even know for sure that the Chechen was here illegally. Most of you are dead certain that there is some law (mostly in the east I guess?) that a sub-contractor has to dress the way you want, and if there isn't a law, there ought to be. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:58:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: Doesn't make a difference either way. And you are not a Russian guy. Honestly your are not the same as the dead Russian guy. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 5:58:22 PM EDT
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15 pages and still no answers. Plot twist, what if the guy was there investigating the soldier and either FBI or more likely an informant? Would explain the need for the feds to be involved so quickly and all the unanswered questions.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:02:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbb2: 1. That's a very aggressive press release. 2. Tinfoil hat time: No LE contact because the company is into some shady shit and the Feds et al. are doing their own looking? 3. Nice second post. Welcome, fellow firearms enthusiast. indeed. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:06:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Windustsearch]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Thing is you speak English and don't come on property at sunset. And you are not a Russian guy. Honestly your are not the same as the dead Russian guy. The only time we work at night is monitoring on active construction sites that run 24 hrs a day or on shoreline sites due to timing with tides. Run of the mill surveying through yards, we keep it to normal business hours even though we are pretty quiet. You don't want to be bugging people while they are eating dinner or something. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:08:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Windustsearch]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. This falls under the Play Stupid Games and Win Stupid Prizes chapter of being not-dead.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:23:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: Typical sub-contractor crew at work. No uniforms, IDs, Vests, Logos. Vehicles were an old boat with no logo and an unmarked rental truck. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/70693/IMG_1764_JPG-3223761.JPG Oh yeah, you show up like that here without notice and you'll be met by a polite, visibly armed person who is very interested to know what you're doing on posted land. We had a fence crew for an adjacent ranch show up the other day. It went as I described above, and they went about their business after we determined who they were. Very importantly, their employer informed us they'd be working in the area a week or two beforehand. A different outfit working for a multinational didn't do that. All their stakes got pulled up and used for fencing by a couple of ranch kids. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:28:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Windustsearch]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sabocat: Oh yeah, you show up like that here without notice and you'll be met by a polite, visibly armed person who is very interested to know what you're doing on posted land. We had a fence crew for an adjacent ranch show up the other day. It went as I described above, and they went about their business after we determined who they were. Very importantly, their employer informed us they'd be working in the area a week or two beforehand. A different outfit working for a multinational didn't do that. All their stakes got pulled up and used for fencing by a couple of ranch kids. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:35:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: No, I never posted anything about them except I have no idea what went on there and neither does anyone else posting here. You don't know whether they sent a letter or not. You have no idea whether they were sub-contractors that were supposed to be there or not. Nobody knows whether the shooter was a lunatic or not (though some of the posters are at least half way there themselves). Half of you already have Colomboed up the "true events" basis for three heroic action packed movies, a mini series, and a made for TV movie out of absolutely no real information at all. A bunch even know for sure that the Chechen was here illegally. Most of you are dead certain that there is some law (mostly in the east I guess?) that a sub-contractor has to dress the way you want, and if there isn't a law, there ought to be. And you're ignoring everything and fixating on "YOU DON'T NEED A UNIFORM OR ID!!!!" |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:43:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: And you're ignoring everything and fixating on "YOU DON'T NEED A UNIFORM OR ID!!!!" You want me to join in dreaming up stupid shit about this particular scenario? No thanks, I'll leave that up to you guys. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:44:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: If you were informed they were going to be there, why did you go bother them? Because normal people don't. Because they were waiting in their truck at the signs at the property line, we've had serious issues with trespassers/copper thieves, their truck wasn't marked, and they wanted to know the best route to get to a particular area. This area is about 15 miles from the nearest paved road so any unrecognized vehicle turning off the county road is going to be met by someone. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:48:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: Not necessarily. It would be an area of dispute, but it is a permanent utility easement. There is no option for revocation or anything else. The utility has a right to the land. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: Originally Posted By Gspointer: So you're saying, unless it's a public easement, he should have identification to show the owner that he can be on the easement Not necessarily. It would be an area of dispute, but it is a permanent utility easement. There is no option for revocation or anything else. The utility has a right to the land. I have a permanent utility easement through my property. Around here they usually send a letter a few weeks out, then an auto-dialer sends a text the day they're supposed to be in my area, and almost always one of their junior helpers will come up to the house and ring the door bell to let us know they're bringing equipment through. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:48:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: And you're ignoring everything and fixating on "YOU DON'T NEED A UNIFORM OR ID!!!!" Seems like everyone but him is fixated on that. Subs of subs of subs of subs is what you get. Uniform or ID, LMAO. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:51:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: Seems like everyone but him is fixated on that. Subs of subs of subs of subs is what you get. Uniform or ID, LMAO. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FDC: Originally Posted By Logcutter: And you're ignoring everything and fixating on "YOU DON'T NEED A UNIFORM OR ID!!!!" Seems like everyone but him is fixated on that. Subs of subs of subs of subs is what you get. Uniform or ID, LMAO. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:52:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: I have a permanent utility easement through my property. Around here they usually send a letter a few weeks out, then an auto-dialer sends a text the day they're supposed to be in my area, and almost always one of their junior helpers will come up to the house and ring the door bell to let us know they're bringing equipment through. I've got a ROW on my back corner. Probably own about an acre-ish of powerlines. I can count on one hand the number of times I've been out there in the last three years. I got a notice last year. It is still current. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:53:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: So if he had better identifying PPE would he probably be more or less alive now providing he was actually there for legit purposes? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: Originally Posted By FDC: Originally Posted By Logcutter: And you're ignoring everything and fixating on "YOU DON'T NEED A UNIFORM OR ID!!!!" Seems like everyone but him is fixated on that. Subs of subs of subs of subs is what you get. Uniform or ID, LMAO. Oh well. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:55:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: So if he had better identifying PPE would he probably be more or less alive now providing he was actually there for legit purposes? |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:03:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: So if he had better identifying PPE would he probably be more or less alive now providing he was actually there for legit purposes? Moral of the story: Don't be an asshole, especially on someone else's property |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:13:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: If he wasn't an asshole, he would probably still be alive. Moral of the story: Don't be an asshole, especially on someone else's property |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:18:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: How do you know that? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: Originally Posted By anesvick: If he wasn't an asshole, he would probably still be alive. Moral of the story: Don't be an asshole, especially on someone else's property  |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:19:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: Yes, but you know there is a professional way to do things vs a lazy way that might lead to misunderstandings. Everything in life is about avoiding the appearance of impropriety. I have a permanent utility easement through my property. Around here they usually send a letter a few weeks out, then an auto-dialer sends a text the day they're supposed to be in my area, and almost always one of their junior helpers will come up to the house and ring the door bell to let us know they're bringing equipment through. But look at the photo posted above. It looks like there is a fence line for a property and the pole is outside the fence line. Either way, shooting in the hands can indicate a defensive posture. Shooting in the back, well, we know what that means. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:26:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: No, I never posted anything about them except I have no idea what went on there and neither does anyone else posting here. You don't know whether they sent a letter or not. You have no idea whether they were sub-contractors that were supposed to be there or not. Nobody knows whether the shooter was a lunatic or not (though some of the posters are at least half way there themselves). Half of you already have Colomboed up the "true events" basis for three heroic action packed movies, a mini series, and a made for TV movie out of absolutely no real information at all. A bunch even know for sure that the Chechen was here illegally. Most of you are dead certain that there is some law (mostly in the east I guess?) that a sub-contractor has to dress the way you want, and if there isn't a law, there ought to be. Who gives a shit if there’s a law. What kind of company sends employees on other people property without a sign on the car door, and ID or or work order for the employees. I guess we have your statement saying the company shouldn’t do it, and a dead guy that may have been better off with an ID. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:27:38 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: Because shit can get out of control quickly? Even quicker when you're fucking dumb or try to escalate for no good reason? https://i.imgur.com/PyBw1SL.gif Media does it's actual job for a change and doesn't make up a bunch of shit, so people here make it up for 'em. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: Not necessarily. It would be an area of dispute, but it is a permanent utility easement. There is no option for revocation or anything else. The utility has a right to the land. If the public doesn’t, what kind of jacked up company is too cheap to print out clip on ID’s and a work order on letterhead. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:32:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: Who gives a shit if there's a law. What kind of company sends employees on other people property without a sign on the car door, and ID or or work order for the employees. I guess we have your statement saying the company shouldn't do it, and a dead guy that may have been better off with an ID. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:32:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: You've decided you know which one instigated it? Media does it's actual job for a change and doesn't make up a bunch of shit, so people here make it up for 'em. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: Originally Posted By crownvic96: Because shit can get out of control quickly? Even quicker when you're fucking dumb or try to escalate for no good reason? https://i.imgur.com/PyBw1SL.gif Media does it's actual job for a change and doesn't make up a bunch of shit, so people here make it up for 'em. 1) Deceased was some shitclown with no ID and little to no training doing a shitty job at a time when people don't do that in an easement and when questioned on it got confrontational and capped. 2) He legit had beef with that guy due to him being involved in some opp that affected him or his family or he was just recruited to carry something out on behalf of someone. 3) Said .mil officer just saw someone and went YOLO and blasted a guy. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:34:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: If the public doesn't, what kind of jacked up company is too cheap to print out clip on ID's and a work order on letterhead. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:34:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: But look at the photo posted above. It looks like there is a fence line for a property and the pole is outside the fence line. Either way, shooting in the hands can indicate a defensive posture. Shooting in the back, well, we know what that means. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: Originally Posted By Kanati: Yes, but you know there is a professional way to do things vs a lazy way that might lead to misunderstandings. Everything in life is about avoiding the appearance of impropriety. I have a permanent utility easement through my property. Around here they usually send a letter a few weeks out, then an auto-dialer sends a text the day they're supposed to be in my area, and almost always one of their junior helpers will come up to the house and ring the door bell to let us know they're bringing equipment through. But look at the photo posted above. It looks like there is a fence line for a property and the pole is outside the fence line. Either way, shooting in the hands can indicate a defensive posture. Shooting in the back, well, we know what that means. This is an odd one, and sadly we're probably never going to hear an accurate accounting of the full story. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:35:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dru: I think page elevenish or so! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dru: Originally Posted By 96Ag: Originally Posted By NorthBridge: This thread sucks now I think page elevenish or so! |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:35:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: There's 3 logical reasons right now: 1) Deceased was some shitclown with no ID and little to no training doing a shitty job at a time when people don't do that in an easement and when questioned on it got confrontational and capped. 2) He legit had beef with that guy due to him being involved in some opp that affected him or his family or he was just recruited to carry something out on behalf of someone. 3) Said .mil officer just saw someone and went YOLO and blasted a guy. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:48:40 PM EDT
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So in Washington, utilitiy companies aren't concerned with people impersonating their employees and take zero steps to make sure the public knows that the guys at their door are legit employees. Sounds like an oppurtunity for rape and robbery.
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:51:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ApacheScout: So in Washington, utilitiy companies aren't concerned with people impersonating their employees and take zero steps to make sure the public knows that the guys at their door are legit employees. Sounds like an oppurtunity for rape and robbery.  |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:55:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: Three things you simply dreamed up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: Originally Posted By crownvic96: There's 3 logical reasons right now: 1) Deceased was some shitclown with no ID and little to no training doing a shitty job at a time when people don't do that in an easement and when questioned on it got confrontational and capped. 2) He legit had beef with that guy due to him being involved in some opp that affected him or his family or he was just recruited to carry something out on behalf of someone. 3) Said .mil officer just saw someone and went YOLO and blasted a guy. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:55:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: What kind of company sends employees on other people property without a sign on the car door, and ID or or work order for the employees. You need to get out more. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:55:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ApacheScout: So in Washington, utilitiy companies aren't concerned with people impersonating their employees and take zero steps to make sure the public knows that the guys at their door are legit employees. Sounds like an oppurtunity for rape and robbery. A rapist could easily make fake name tags. Could even make a fake company uniform or steal one or still have one from a company they were fired from. Also a legit employee could want to rape you. Scary stuff. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:57:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: You have either got to be trolling or have the IQ of a potato at this point. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:59:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: I've got bad news for you... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: Originally Posted By crownvic96: You have either got to be trolling or have the IQ of a potato at this point. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 7:59:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: It can also mean he lunged for the gun and got shot in the hands, face, and back of his head on the way to the ground. This is an odd one, and sadly we're probably never going to hear an accurate accounting of the full story. Easily to show angles with a forensic analysis. Powder residue, angles, and round termination location will either support or destroy the self defense aspect. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 8:00:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: Three things you simply dreamed up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Windustsearch: Originally Posted By crownvic96: There's 3 logical reasons right now: 1) Deceased was some shitclown with no ID and little to no training doing a shitty job at a time when people don't do that in an easement and when questioned on it got confrontational and capped. 2) He legit had beef with that guy due to him being involved in some opp that affected him or his family or he was just recruited to carry something out on behalf of someone. 3) Said .mil officer just saw someone and went YOLO and blasted a guy.  I’ve been reading this thread and laughing at everyone slinging their fantasy scenarios at you all the while you have been just stating the facts. About the only facts in the thread really. |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 8:02:20 PM EDT
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So... he was taking photos of the identity number on poles????
"Griffin further confirmed that a camera with a sophisticated telephoto lens was found on Daraev’s body." WTF... a sophisticated telephoto lens was needed?????  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/26/2024 8:02:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: Sweet potato? Cause i'm ok with their hypoglycemic index. |
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