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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:33:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Watching christians gatekeep christianity is always entertaining. Its funny seeing the cognitive dissonance in action. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Originally Posted By PeepEater: You realize that all other mainstream sects of Christianity recognize each other as being Christians but not the LDS church? https://www.simplycatholic.com/what-should-catholics-know-about-mormons/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Nicene_Christianity Watching christians gatekeep christianity is always entertaining. Its funny seeing the cognitive dissonance in action. Watching atheists preach about the Church of Nothingness is more hilarious. The Book of Happy Accidents and Self Worship has a ton of followers willing to spread that particular gospel and correct anyone who believes otherwise. You never have to ask someone if they are an atheist, they will work it into the conversation within minutes. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:35:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Pretty wild that people call themselves conservative when their attitude towards private property has more in common with the socialists. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:36:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southerncross: I'm pretty sure steeples count as idols. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southerncross: Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: Will God love them more if their steeple is really tall? I'm pretty sure steeples count as idols. I was once told but unsure, that the Mormons believe that the foot of Christ will land on the spire point of the Temple when he descends down out of Heaven. Again don't hold me to it, this was a LONG time ago pertaining to the location in Independence MO. We had our High School graduation commencement there. As it was the only indoor place to hold our entire class of over 1100 graduating kids plus all family members too back in 1991. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:37:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snackle: Most of the people complaining will calm down once it's built and thier property value skyrockets. Because Mormons are good neighbors. Good neighbors until their duplicitous ways cause them to sue you into doing whatever they want. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:38:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aerospace_Money: Do you need to be baptized by water to be saved? Do you need to get a temple recommend card and go through the temple in order to be saved and become an exhaulted god? In mormonism, the answer is yes. Joseph himself said that grace is only sufficient after all you can do. Therefore, you are wrong. You are fine to believe I am wrong. However there is a large part of Christianity that has long argued faith vs works and their importance in salvation. Again there is a great thread in the other forum. The claim of the LDS not believing Christ’s works on the cross were sufficient is simply not true. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:41:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fushaw: You are fine to believe I am wrong. However there is a large part of Christianity that has long argued faith vs works and their importance in salvation. Again there is a great thread in the other forum. The claim of the LDS not believing Christ’s works on the cross were sufficient is simply not true. Is the cross is sufficient then what purpose do the extra steps serve? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:42:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pineywoodsbuck: They worship a different Jesus Christ, I think that's fairly obvious between Christians and Mormons Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pineywoodsbuck: Originally Posted By Landsat8: How dare people worship Jesus Christ as they see fit and exercise freedom on their own property. They worship a different Jesus Christ, I think that's fairly obvious between Christians and Mormons I believe they don't believe Jesus is the Son of God which would include His Deity(God himself in the flesh). Maybe just a prophet. |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:45:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fushaw: You are fine to believe I am wrong. However there is a large part of Christianity that has long argued faith vs works and their importance in salvation. Again there is a great thread in the other forum. The claim of the LDS not believing Christ’s works on the cross were sufficient is simply not true. I just explained it to you. It is a fact that you are wrong, not just my opinion. If anything needs to be added to Christ's works, it is no longer grace. Why don't you crack open Romans and read about it? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:47:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fushaw]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: Is the cross is sufficient then what purpose do the extra steps serve? The cross (Atonement) allows all people to be forgiven of their sins through faith and believing in Christ. He made it possible through his sacrifice. Nobody else was qualified to or could ever do that besides Christ. You still need faith. And the Bible teaches that true faith leads to works. Faith without works is dead. True faith leads to works, which include baptism, repentance, etc.. Wouldn’t it be nice if I could just say “I believe” and then justify my way through sin? Sounds nice, but that’s not faith nor has it ever been. Christ never told people to just say “I believe” he told them to sin no more. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:59:56 PM EDT
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The big temple in Gilbert AZ is right next to a park.
For a while, everyone was trying to get their Estes rockets hung up on the trumpet of Moroni. Good times. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:02:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: extractr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAD762: Well, to start with the council that canonized the New Testament wasn’t “called by an emperor”. If you don’t know that basic fact then it’s safe to say that you’re not as well read in the subject as you think you are. Your entire understanding of church history is propaganda. And really bad propaganda at that. You should read books. Books by actual academics. I’ve already suggested a few in this thread for your edification. Did I say that council was? Have you heard of the 1st Council of Nicaea convened by the Emporer Constantine? Or the Council of Constantinople convened by the Roman Emporer Constantine VI? Or The Council of Ephesus convened in Ephesus by the Roman Emperor Theodosius II? Or The Council of Chalcedon convened by the Roman emperor Marcian? Or the 2nd Council of Constantinople convened by the Byzantine Emperor Justinian I.? Or the 3rd Council of Constantinople convened by Emperor Constantine IV? Or the 2nd Council of Nicaea convened by emporer Constantine VI and Empress Irene? No political involvement at all in the establishment of doctrine was there? If the scriptures were so pure and easy to understand, why did seven different political figures feel the need to convene councils to help Christianity to establish and define it's core beliefs in creeds that are still used today. The problem is, any opposing beliefs at that time, even if true were silenced. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:14:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Pretty wild that people call themselves conservative when their attitude towards private property has more in common with the socialists. This is Socialism  This is Capitalism  blindly calling everyone that disagrees with you a socialist is pretty fucking gay. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:25:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By callmestick: This is Socialism https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218698/rio-favela-gondola-xlarge-303237090-3214435.jpg This is Capitalism https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218698/1-3084154578-3214441.jpg blindly calling everyone that disagrees with you a socialist is pretty fucking gay. Private property rights are a core tenet of capitalism. Nothing he said was inaccurate in the sense that people arguing against property rights have something in common with socialists. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:26:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By extractr: Did I say that council was? Have you heard of the 1st Council of Nicaea convened by the Emporer Constantine? Or the Council of Constantinople convened by the Roman Emporer Constantine VI? Or The Council of Ephesus convened in Ephesus by the Roman Emperor Theodosius II? Or The Council of Chalcedon convened by the Roman emperor Marcian? Or the 2nd Council of Constantinople convened by the Byzantine Emperor Justinian I.? Or the 3rd Council of Constantinople convened by Emperor Constantine IV? Or the 2nd Council of Nicaea convened by emporer Constantine VI and Empress Irene? No political involvement at all in the establishment of doctrine was there? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By extractr: Did I say that council was? Have you heard of the 1st Council of Nicaea convened by the Emporer Constantine? Or the Council of Constantinople convened by the Roman Emporer Constantine VI? Or The Council of Ephesus convened in Ephesus by the Roman Emperor Theodosius II? Or The Council of Chalcedon convened by the Roman emperor Marcian? Or the 2nd Council of Constantinople convened by the Byzantine Emperor Justinian I.? Or the 3rd Council of Constantinople convened by Emperor Constantine IV? Or the 2nd Council of Nicaea convened by emporer Constantine VI and Empress Irene? No political involvement at all in the establishment of doctrine was there? So when you said: If the scriptures were so pure, why were the councils even necessary? Seems there were differences of beliefs and teachings from the beginning. Just because an emporer ordered people to get together to settle the doctrine, didn't establish the truth. You weren't referring to the council that canonized Scripture as a group of people "an emporer ordered people to get together to settle the doctrine"? Because if not you need to brush up on your grammar as much as you need to brush up on your history. Looks like you realized just stepped on your dick and now you're back tracking. Regardless. You found 6 councils that an emperor asked to meet...out of hundreds of councils and synods and conferences and various assemblies. 6. This is what's got you so spun up? Yeah, that Roman Empire had a really hands on approach there.  Just think. If the emperor had never called the second council of Nicea we would have never gotten the...groundbreaking....foundational.....totally worthwhile declaration that icons deserve reverence and veneration but not adoration, which is reserved for God. Do me a favor and at least read up on what you post before you start copying/pasting stuff. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:29:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By callmestick: This is Socialism https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218698/rio-favela-gondola-xlarge-303237090-3214435.jpg This is Capitalism https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218698/1-3084154578-3214441.jpg blindly calling everyone that disagrees with you a socialist is pretty fucking gay. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By callmestick: Originally Posted By HIMARS13A: Pretty wild that people call themselves conservative when their attitude towards private property has more in common with the socialists. This is Socialism https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218698/rio-favela-gondola-xlarge-303237090-3214435.jpg This is Capitalism https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218698/1-3084154578-3214441.jpg blindly calling everyone that disagrees with you a socialist is pretty fucking gay. Odd then that the free market created one of those and the other was built according to government planning and regulation. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:39:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: extractr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAD762: So when you said: You weren't referring to the council that canonized Scripture as a group of people "an emporer ordered people to get together to settle the doctrine"? Because if not you need to brush up on your grammar as much as you need to brush up on your history. Looks like you realized just stepped on your dick and now you're back tracking. Regardless. You found 6 councils that an emperor asked to meet...out of hundreds of councils and synods and conferences and various assemblies. 6. This is what's got you so spun up? Yeah, that Roman Empire had a really hands on approach there. Just think. If the emperor had never called the second council of Nicea we would have never gotten the...groundbreaking....foundational.....totally worthwhile declaration that icons deserve reverence and veneration but not adoration, which is reserved for God. Do me a favor and at least read up on what you post before you start copying/pasting stuff. Not backtracking at all. I stated that if the Bible is so pure and easy to understand, why were so many political councils needed to create what doctrine was acceptable. "an emporer ordered people to get together to settle the doctrine". Describes the first council of Nicaea doesn't it? I mentioned those 6 as a sample of thes where some of the major doctrines were created, and opposing views were silenced often with force. Good to see you admit many more were needed to figure out what they believed. Would you be in support of president Biden or even Trump for that matter convening a council of churches to settle doctrinal differences, then silencing unaccepted views by force? Essentially what happened. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:45:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Odd then that the free market created one of those and the other was built according to government planning and regulation. Looks kind of like what happened when ancient governments got involved in religion. 30,000+ churches and much confusion. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:56:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By extractr: Not backtracking at all. I stated that if the Bible is so pure and easy to understand, why were so many political councils needed to create what doctrine was acceptable. "an emporer ordered people to get together to settle the doctrine". Describes the first council of Nicaea doesn't it? I mentioned those 6 as a sample of thes where some of the major doctrines were created, and opposing views were silenced often with force. Good to see you admit many more were needed to figure out what they believed. Would you be in support of president Biden or even Trump for that matter convening a council of churches to settle doctrinal differences, then silencing unaccepted views by force? Essentially what happened. Again. That is a bad faith question based on false assumptions. Councils didn't "create what doctrine was acceptable." The were meetings of leaders who got together periodically to talk through issues. You know, like the Mormon General Conference does every year. The fact that you equate them to "president Biden or even Trump for that matter convening a council of churches to settle doctrinal differences, then silencing unaccepted views by force? Essentially what happened." just goes to show that you have absolutely no depth of understanding of the subject here. You're whole reasoning is based on anachronistic understandings of history with some conspiracy theories sprinkled in. The Second Council of Nicea mentioned before is a great example because the Roman Emperor was basically told to piss up a rope. The early bishops were based, they couldn't be bullied. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:03:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Holy cow. I had no idea. Yeah, that's just a little disingenuous to complain about the church encroaching on a rural lifestyle.  To be fair, that's a fairly zoomed in part of what Google returns for Fairview... there's still hardly any of it that isn't subdivided into what would be tiny lots for anything rural...  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:06:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: It's in all common translation of the bible, including the one I usually reference (NABRE). To be fair though: I think Revelations is only talking about the Book of Revelations, not entire bible. If Deuteronomy is taken at face value, then no book AFTER Deuteronomy should be accepted, least of all anything in the NT. That's not to say I agree with the idea of adding stuff to the bible, just that those two references aren't conclusive.  Then why would you say it in the first place, if you don't agree that it applies across the board? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:07:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BMSMB]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fushaw: Its sad. And its not just the LDS church. Most religious GD posts devolve into some level of poop flinging and virtue signaling as athiests, Christians, agnostics, and those super duper eeeeeevil Mormons are discussed. For people being so conservative as they claim on here, they sure don't seem to act that way when it comes to certain topics. They want to gatekeep the religion they don't actively follow the teachings of to try and feel superior to others... |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:08:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jus_in_bello: Watching atheists preach about the Church of Nothingness is more hilarious. The Book of Happy Accidents and Self Worship has a ton of followers willing to spread that particular gospel and correct anyone who believes otherwise. You never have to ask someone if they are an atheist, they will work it into the conversation within minutes. Has anyone in this thread said they were atheist, or are you the first to mention it? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:12:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Then why would you say it in the first place, if you don't agree that it applies across the board? Just because there may not be an explicit verse that says "we are done" doesn't mean that it isn't. Jesus was the final chapter and verse and he did not say "Dudes - some years later across the pond, someone will completely upend what I've told you so just chill". He was the Alpha and the Omega which needs to further exposition. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:16:47 PM EDT
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Private property is one thing.
Buying private property then using lawfare to get the zoning changed to build your stairway to heaven is entirely another. They'll get it though, the money will find its way into the correct pockets, and these giant monuments to excess will be built. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:17:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pineywoodsbuck]
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The pre-golden tablet era of Joseph Smith, was notorious for stealing people's money, he was an absolute con man. He had to flee from every town he lived in because he had freaked out the townspeople with his affinity for married women and 13-year-old girls.
He wanted to make himself King Jospeh, this was after he became mayor of Nauvoo Illinois where he had the town's first newspaper destroyed because it printed critical articles of his theocratic "king" beliefs. Eventually, 200 of the town's God-fearing citizens had enough of him and killed him. Then, to keep the sex cult going, Bringham Young took it over and moved the group to Salt Lake City Utah - they had to go that far out west in 1840 because no one wanted them around. After all, their beliefs were so radical and not tolerated by men with young girls and wives. This came from Wikipedia |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:21:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Just because there may not be an explicit verse that says "we are done" doesn't mean that it isn't. Jesus was the final chapter and verse and he did not say "Dudes - some years later across the pond, someone will completely upend what I've told you so just chill". He was the Alpha and the Omega which needs to further exposition. The Son of God IS God made flesh, some doctrines seem to forget this. Gonna be interesting when he comes back... make the money changers and vendors getting kicked out of the temple look like a Boy Scout meeting. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:22:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PeepEater]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: Private property is one thing. Buying private property then using lawfare to get the zoning changed to build your stairway to heaven is entirely another. They'll get it though, the money will find its way into the correct pockets, and these giant monuments to excess will be built. This is effectively the same as someone buying in a HOA and then calling their neighbors racist when they want the HOA enforced. If the restrictions were preexisting and it was understood that they stood after the conveyance of title the LDS folks are the ones that brought this upon themselves |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:23:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Why should we care that a bunch of whiny losers are upset about what someone is doing with their private property? Well I'm sure the residents of that small town have to comply by all the building codes. So why shouldn't they ask that these bunch of nuts comply as well? I'll wait for your answer |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:24:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jus_in_bello: Watching atheists preach about the Church of Nothingness is more hilarious. The Book of Happy Accidents and Self Worship has a ton of followers willing to spread that particular gospel and correct anyone who believes otherwise. You never have to ask someone if they are an atheist, they will work it into the conversation within minutes. I am so sick and tired of the atheists coming around and knocking on my door, constantly begging for 10% of my annual income for the rest of my life. It is so unbelievably obnoxious. Damn atheists! |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:30:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cchurchi: I am so sick and tired of the atheists coming around and knocking on my door, constantly begging for 10% of my annual income for the rest of my life. It is so unbelievably obnoxious. Damn atheists! States run by atheists as the state religion have a track record of murdering millions and taking 100% of people's income. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:39:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cchurchi]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: States run by atheists as the state religion have a track record of murdering millions and taking 100% of people's income. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: Originally Posted By cchurchi: I am so sick and tired of the atheists coming around and knocking on my door, constantly begging for 10% of my annual income for the rest of my life. It is so unbelievably obnoxious. Damn atheists! States run by atheists as the state religion have a track record of murdering millions and taking 100% of people's income. Atheists have murdered millions. All of the delusional adherents of organized religion have murdered millions as well, or at the very least, handed over their free will to power hungry pedophiles. Instead of doing what i am told, I’ll continue doing what I think is right, in spite of the temptation to hand over my free will and become a mindless automaton that thinks I can buy my way into “heaven” with a filthy wad of hundred dollar bills. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:48:36 PM EDT
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Reading this makes me appreciate my Restoration Movement (Stone - Campbell) upbringing. It’s proves true every time these discussions arise.
No creed but Christ, no book but the Bible, no law but love, no name but the divine. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:13:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dale007: Well I'm sure the residents of that small town have to comply by all the building codes. So why shouldn't they ask that these bunch of nuts comply as well? I'll wait for your answer Building codes do not limit building heights. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:16:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By callmestick: This is Socialism https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218698/rio-favela-gondola-xlarge-303237090-3214435.jpg This is Capitalism https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/218698/1-3084154578-3214441.jpg blindly calling everyone that disagrees with you a socialist is pretty fucking gay. The picture on the top is what you get without the government recording title to land, where supply and demand run rampant and the government isn't invovled. The picture on the bottom is the result of a highly centralized and bureaucratic system where democratic community inputs are combined with government planning and subsidies to create something that would never exist in a free market. But you think that since socialism is bad (which it is) that things you like are capitalism and things you don't like are socialism. IOW you are arguing that the private property rights of land owners shouldn't be allowed to impact what the community decides democratically. What do we call that, again? Is there a word for it? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:18:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fingas: I'm pretty don't give a damn when it comes to other peoples property, if not I'd be calling the county on my neighbor all the time. But to pretend that just because it's private property means you don't have to participate as a member of the community is fucking stupid. And it's a bit disingenuous to pretend that they are being restricted after the fact, they bought a property in a zone with building height restrictions the restrictions weren't enacted after the purchase. So you think that decisions should be made democratically by members of the community? And that the law should restrict private property rights for the good of the community? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:20:25 PM EDT
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Oh lookie... a GD thread calling-out Mormons. Never been done before.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:51:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: How much more explicit could they want it, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last." The Son of God IS God made flesh, some doctrines seem to forget this. Gonna be interesting when he comes back... make the money changers and vendors getting kicked out of the temple look like a Boy Scout meeting. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By anesvick: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Just because there may not be an explicit verse that says "we are done" doesn't mean that it isn't. Jesus was the final chapter and verse and he did not say "Dudes - some years later across the pond, someone will completely upend what I've told you so just chill". He was the Alpha and the Omega which needs to further exposition. The Son of God IS God made flesh, some doctrines seem to forget this. Gonna be interesting when he comes back... make the money changers and vendors getting kicked out of the temple look like a Boy Scout meeting. Not sure how much more explicit you can get. Every heresy is predicted by the Bible. Galatians 1:6 HCSB [6] I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from Him who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel — [7] not that there is another gospel, but there are some who are troubling you and want to change the good news about the Messiah.  But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, a curse be on him! https://bible.com/bible/72/gal.1.8.HCSB |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:02:50 PM EDT
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The apostle Paul - who actually saw Jesus after his resurrection told us this -
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Enough said … |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:23:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TontoGoldstein: To create books and say “Hey, God has changed His mind” is ludicrous. Isn’t that pretty much what happened between the Old Testament and New Testament? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:30:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Why should we care that a bunch of whiny losers are upset about what someone is doing with their private property? will it be okay then if someone buys the adjacent property and sets up a giant 100' widescreen projector to broadcast Mormon Porn 24/7? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boomer: Isn't that pretty much what happened between the Old Testament and New Testament? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boomer: Originally Posted By TontoGoldstein: To create books and say "Hey, God has changed His mind" is ludicrous. Isn't that pretty much what happened between the Old Testament and New Testament? If you want to question the divinity of Christ, go ahead.... I'm not, I've seen way too many unexplainable things and have felt His presence in my life often enough to stop questioning things like I did when I was younger. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:46:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: Isnt above 200 in need of a beacon? Our ham guy around here , his personal tower is 199 ft . Yes a beacon is required. Amateur radio tower can be no taller than 199 feet, but if it’s used for anything else, cell tower for example, that limit goes away. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:48:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: nvroundman]
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Not sure how I quoted and submitted something I had no intention of doing.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:49:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: patsue]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By extractr: So where is your proof that the Bible is correct, and wasn't corrupted before it was compiled? How do you know those in charge did not manipulate it before it was even a book. You do realize it was by vote of men what books were included and which were rejected. Seems odd that you believe the people who compiled it were infallible before they weren't, requiring reformation. Further evidence of the influence of men was the political councils that dictated doctrine, such as the trinity. Were those men corrupted by then, or still infallible? You ask for proof it's corrupted. Where is your proof that it isn't. When the whole basis of the protestant movement is that the men who gave us the Bible were corrupted, but somehow miraculously, everything else they did in establishing sctripure and doctrine wasn't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By extractr: Originally Posted By patsue: Reformers did not “change” the gospel. They did what has happened through all church history when false teaching tries to influence. It was exposed by the scripture. What people don’t understand is the ramifications of the scriptures getting into the hands of common people. The Catholic Church had a monopoly on it before the printing press and could manipulate their power and authority. But once the scriptures were in the hands of people there was no going back. They confronted it with the final authority of Gods Word. The Catholic Church had raised its authority above that of the scriptures and were caught. Mormonism does it also. It claims the scriptures were corrupted with no proof, in fact a massive amount of hard evidence proves the opposite. But this is a distraction from the real issue. The Christ of Mormonism is incompatible with the Christ of the Bible. They are not the same in nature. The question of who Christ is has a completely different answer between orthodox Christians and Mormons. It isn’t enough to say “he is the son of God”. How Mormons define the son of God is completely different than that of scripture. Everything else is just a distraction. The Mormon church has a different Jesus. It is not a minor difference. It is the most important difference. There is nothing more important. You get Jesus wrong, you have God Himself wrong and you have the gospel wrong. I am very pessimistic that this will change any LDS minds but I want all the readers to know the issues here and they are free to ask me any questions PM if they want. I have lived on both sides of this for 5 decades. Patrick So where is your proof that the Bible is correct, and wasn't corrupted before it was compiled? How do you know those in charge did not manipulate it before it was even a book. You do realize it was by vote of men what books were included and which were rejected. Seems odd that you believe the people who compiled it were infallible before they weren't, requiring reformation. Further evidence of the influence of men was the political councils that dictated doctrine, such as the trinity. Were those men corrupted by then, or still infallible? You ask for proof it's corrupted. Where is your proof that it isn't. When the whole basis of the protestant movement is that the men who gave us the Bible were corrupted, but somehow miraculously, everything else they did in establishing sctripure and doctrine wasn't. You have a worked over Mormon version of history. What you are stating did not happen the way you are saying it did. With all respect these are talking points that are not accurate but can fool those who don’t know. Bottom line. The Christ of Mormonism and the Christ of Orthodox Christianity are not compatible. Far from it. And everything that Mormons believe about the need for a restored church with new revelation and revelators is to change the very nature and person of Jesus to something and someone else. This is serious business. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:50:58 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Private property rights are a core tenet of capitalism. Nothing he said was inaccurate in the sense that people arguing against property rights have something in common with socialists. Horse shit. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy property in those nice neighbor hoods. You can always buy land out in the county to build your dream favala. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:59:32 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deanwormer: will it be okay then if someone buys the adjacent property and sets up a giant 100' widescreen projector to broadcast Mormon Porn 24/7?
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:00:15 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boomer: Isn't that pretty much what happened between the Old Testament and New Testament? No. The Old Testament paves the way for Christ. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:02:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By callmestick: Horse shit. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy property in those nice neighbor hoods. You can always buy land out in the county to build your dream favala. I like Las Catalinas, I would build something like that here if it were legal and I had the money. I don't think any of these houses go for under $1M. 
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:06:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Originally Posted By deanwormer: will it be okay then if someone buys the adjacent property and sets up a giant 100' widescreen projector to broadcast Mormon Porn 24/7? After all it's their property. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:33:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesquidliest: So the Mormons are pulling a Scientology by doing lawfare to get their way? Snakes in mailboxes coming to a town near you soon. |
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