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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:17:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: I like how you don't show the targets after shooting them or how far the steel target is. This is USPSA CM09-09. A real 25 yards. Measured. That video is not 25 yards.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:17:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: You can try to make up reasons why you think it didn't happen. But the distances are accurate and the hits are good. I don't take videos of things I pretend I can do, I take videos of what actual GM skills are.....but you'll never have them, because instead of thinking...hey maybe I should work to get my skills at that level, you try to pretend that it is fake. No they aren't. USPSA doesn't do 8" plates at 50 yards and the other stage isn't a classifier, so there are no "actual GM skills" on display there. I've made it to within 5% of M in a year and a half and have been doing jack shit for practice for the last 6 months, so I'm just fine where I'm at and your attempt to take that away from me just stains your credibility. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:18:48 PM EDT
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Is the gun in the second video .22lr?
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:20:36 PM EDT
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Hey, at least bacon fat isn't a tubby like I thought he was!
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:26:13 PM EDT
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Had a cheap dot die on the first stage of a match once. Used the force for the rest of the day. Not great, but not terrible.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:26:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: No they aren't. USPSA doesn't do 8" plates at 50 yards and the other stage isn't a classifier, so there are no "actual GM skills" on display there. I've made it to within 5% of M in a year and a half and have been doing jack shit for practice for the last 6 months, so I'm just fine where I'm at and your attempt to take that away from me just stains your credibility. lol. you lose your GM skills during practice, sounds like another excuse made by you too feel better about yourself. You think your wide angle camera shows distance the same...fucking clown, damn all you have is excuses. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:27:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: While I can’t and won’t speak to BaconFat’s ability to do it, it’s not as far fetched as it sounds:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbZJZsf71oc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZvmzArslgsTo be clear, both Sage Dynamics/Aaron Cowan and myself are firmly on the side of “there are no downsides to RDS on pistols, period.” ETA: Here’s a dude shooting steel at 25, 50, 75, and 100 yards with a CZ75 with no sights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTQ2j4hezOQQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Originally Posted By rudderbutter: Originally Posted By BaconFat: Originally Posted By BigHumidity: Lol It's good enough that the dot goes right where I want it during my draw. Hence I don't need to index shoot. I've also found most people who claim to be able to instinctively point and shoot can't do it like they claim. Can you draw and hit a dog at 15 feet running from your right to your left about to bite your child? Can you draw and hit a gunman behind a store shelf while he is moving towards your family presenting a firearm? Oh, you can draw and shoot and maybe hit an IPSC target somewhere in the silhouette on a range from a prepared position? Wow. I'm impressed. How would I know, I don't practice any of that...you shooting a lot of running dog chasing your kid or you just making up scenarios you can tactically masterbate to.... What I can do is 8" at 50 yards. I can shoot and transition multiple targets at speed and call and hit head shots at 25yard with a gun with no sights. Fucking tactical timmays with their story time Point-shooting with a pistol that has no sights?  Post a video of you doing it on steel so we can all see/hear your hits. While I can’t and won’t speak to BaconFat’s ability to do it, it’s not as far fetched as it sounds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbZJZsf71oc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZvmzArslgsTo be clear, both Sage Dynamics/Aaron Cowan and myself are firmly on the side of “there are no downsides to RDS on pistols, period.” ETA: Here’s a dude shooting steel at 25, 50, 75, and 100 yards with a CZ75 with no sights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTQ2j4hezOQI shot with a guy a few times who removed his sights from his competition gun for a year. He shot three matches a week, for a year, that way. His goal was to be faster. I don’t know if it worked for him or not |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:27:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: This is USPSA CM09-09. A real 25 yards. Measured. That video is not 25 yards. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/578900/09-09_jpg-3212947.JPG Oh I see why you aren't a GM. Try shooting right handed like a normal person. WAY easier.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:28:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Never_A_Wick]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: lol. you lose your GM skills during practice, sounds like another excuse made by you too feel better about yourself. You think your wide angle camera shows distance the same...fucking clown, damn all you have is excuses. I'm well aware of distance perception with viewing angle. Your far targets aren't at 25 yards, and partials are not "head boxes." Post up your USPSA number, I'll give you credit where it's due, if you're due it with actual data, not some wild video claims. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:28:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: I shot with a guy a few times who removed his sights from his competition gun for a year. He shot three matches a week, for a year, that way. His goal was to be faster. I don’t know if it worked for him or not 3 matches/week is a hell of a schedule. 
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:29:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Oh I see why you aren't a GM. Try shooting right handed like a normal person. WAY easier. Honestly I enjoy the continual shit I get from people(ok everyone) about shooting wrong handed. Makes it fun! (finding a holster blows dick though) |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:31:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: 3 matches/week is a hell of a schedule. It's a hell of a way to get a divorce
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:32:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: It's a hell of a way to get a divorce Dry fire, live fire and one match each week was busy enough for me. Got me to knock 60 seconds off my IDPA classifier in 6 months, though. I still burned out in about 2 years. 
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:33:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: I'm well aware of distance perception with viewing angle. Your far targets aren't at 25 yards, and partials are not "head boxes." Its funny that this is all you got, trying to argue over distance. You complete ignore the skill because you know it isn't something you can do. Oh well, maybe one day you'll be better...but not likely |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:35:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Its funny that this is all you got, trying to argue over distance. You complete ignore the skill because you know it isn't something you can do. Oh well, maybe one day you'll be better...but not likely Now you just sound like my 10 year old arguing. You didn't even show the hits. No, I can't shoot a gun without sights as accurately as I can with one that is equipped with em or a dot. Why the fuck do I want to?  Didn't think you'd post your USPSA number. 
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:38:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Why the fuck do I want to? Because when you have perfected your index, you need to make less corrections and less corrections means faster times. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:38:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Now you just sound like my 10 year old arguing. You didn't even show the hits. No, I can't shoot a gun without sights as accurately as I can with one that is equipped with em or a dot. Why the fuck do I want to? Didn't think you'd post your USPSA number. Didn't he share his USPSA number with @45-Seventy ? |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:38:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Dry fire, live fire and one match each week was busy enough for me. Got me to knock 60 seconds off my IDPA classifier in 6 months, though. I still burned out in about 2 years. I was hot and heavy the first year. Dry fire, lots of live fire, helping at the club a ton doing setup, maintenance, etc.... Then I burned out a bit. Now I absolutely hate dry fire. I'm sitting close to M, and I have a match Tuesday with a classifier stage. I'm sure my percentage will go down. Nobody to blame but myself. M is a choice for me. There's zero question I can get there, and that I would be there if I kept on my practice. That's my fault. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:38:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: I'm well aware of distance perception with viewing angle. Your far targets aren't at 25 yards, and partials are not "head boxes." Post up your USPSA number, I'll give you credit where it's due, if you're due it with actual data, not some wild video claims. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Originally Posted By BaconFat: lol. you lose your GM skills during practice, sounds like another excuse made by you too feel better about yourself. You think your wide angle camera shows distance the same...fucking clown, damn all you have is excuses. I'm well aware of distance perception with viewing angle. Your far targets aren't at 25 yards, and partials are not "head boxes." Post up your USPSA number, I'll give you credit where it's due, if you're due it with actual data, not some wild video claims. Perhaps Bacon is a giant and using extra large targets. You are going to feel real foolish when his Bunyan like size is truly revealed. Or the far targets are like 50' away. Which honestly; if you can hit that shit, at that speed, with no sights, that's great skill. Too bad you can't see what was hit. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:39:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Because when you have perfected your index, you need to make less corrections and less corrections means faster times. I can't perfect my index with the sights on the gun? Answer - of course I can. Your humble brag about shooting sans sights is utterly pointless. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:41:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: I can't perfect my index with the sights on the gun? Answer - of course I can. Your humble brag about shooting sans sights is utterly pointless. You say that about every skill you can't do...its a great mechanism to protect your fragile ego |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:41:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: Perhaps Bacon is a giant and using extra large targets. You are going to feel real foolish when his Bunyan like size is truly revealed. Or the far targets are like 50' away. Which honestly; if you can hit that shit, at that speed, with no sights, that's great skill. Too bad you can't see what was hit. Sure is. Far distances are another weakness that I don't work on enough. Problem is that our indoor range only goes to 45 feet, and when the weather is good enough for heading outdoors and setting things up at 75 or 100 feet... I get busy as fuck with work and my time availability goes down the shitter. (I know, I know, excuses) Lots of time and dedication is involved with becoming truly good. It's not an easy road at all. Props to GMs, it's a lot of work no matter how you get there. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:42:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11boomboom]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: I was hot and heavy the first year. Dry fire, lots of live fire, helping at the club a ton doing setup, maintenance, etc.... Then I burned out a bit. Now I absolutely hate dry fire. I'm sitting close to M, and I have a match Tuesday with a classifier stage. I'm sure my percentage will go down. Nobody to blame but myself. M is a choice for me. There's zero question I can get there, and that I would be there if I kept on my practice. That's my fault. I was still active duty and I missed every classifier match at my club with field rotations so in two years I was only able to classify twice in the first 6 months. I won SSP almost every match, so I only paid attention to Overall and I was consistently in the top-5. I started branching out to multigun and outlaw steel-challenge-ish stuff before burnout and Army stuff got in the way. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:44:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: I was still active duty and I missed every classifier match at my club with field rotations so in two years I was only able to classify twice in the first 6 months. I won SSP almost every match, so I only paid attention to Overall and I was consistently in the top-5. I started branching out to multigun and outlaw steel-challenge-ish stuff before burnout and Army stuff got in the way. I should buckle down and get to M, and then I can be lazy. I could make GM as well, I've got the raw skill.. just needs polishing and refinement.. but it's a level of practice that would probably make me want to kill myself. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:47:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: I should buckle down and get to M, and then I can be lazy. I could make GM as well, I've got the raw skill.. just needs polishing and refinement.. but it's a level of practice that would probably make me want to kill myself. Lol. How many times are you going to post that you're almost a M? It's every post now. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:52:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: I should buckle down and get to M, and then I can be lazy. I could make GM as well, I've got the raw skill.. just needs polishing and refinement.. but it's a level of practice that would probably make me want to kill myself. Go for it. Worst-case, you could grand-bag your classifier matches.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:57:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BaconFat: Lol. How many times are you going to post that you're almost a M? It's every post now. You haven't shown hits or your USPSA number so tit for tat? |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:58:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Go for it. Worst-case, you could grand-bag your classifier matches. I've tapered back to kind of not caring, and just having fun. But I also feel like I'm wasting my previous effort. Even the guys in the club have tried to encourage/push me. Doesn't work
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:02:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: I've tapered back to kind of not caring, and just having fun. But I also feel like I'm wasting my previous effort. Even the guys in the club have tried to encourage/push me. Doesn't work My best match was when I was just there to screw around with my ESP M&P. (old potato pic)  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:05:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Why are we using a handgun for HOME defense? If forced to use a handgun in that role I’ll take a full-size handgun with a light and red dot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By madmacs69: Originally Posted By AbleArcher: Irons will be left in the past. You kind of still need to know and understand them... You put an RDS on your pistol, go to the range. Get used to just pointing in the general direction and putting the dot on the target. Everything is cool. Then you go home... and it sits and the battery goes dead. Then you actually NEED to use it... so just put the target in the big window that doesn't have a dot anymore and hope? Why are we using a handgun for HOME defense? If forced to use a handgun in that role I’ll take a full-size handgun with a light and red dot. Don't think I suggested HOME defense... |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:08:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CouncilOfDave: I don't understand. How long do some of you go without touching your primary defensive pistol? I don't have an RDS on a pistol... couple of CT lasers on backups... could be weeks without them being touched. I'm sure there are plenty of people that don t carry every time they leave the house. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:09:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmacs69: I don't have an RDS on a pistol... couple of CT lasers on backups... could be weeks without them being touched. I'm sure there are plenty of people that don t carry every time they leave the house. You can also just turn the brightness down to zero when you put the gun in the safe, that helps with battery life quite a bit. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:09:43 PM EDT
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I check the dot everyday and replace all batteries every 6 months to a year.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:09:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: This would certainly be a concern for someone who is too inept to maintain their shit and only goes to the range once every three years or so. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By madmacs69: You kind of still need to know and understand them... You put an RDS on your pistol, go to the range. Get used to just pointing in the general direction and putting the dot on the target. Everything is cool. Then you go home... and it sits and the battery goes dead. Then you actually NEED to use it... so just put the target in the big window that doesn't have a dot anymore and hope? This would certainly be a concern for someone who is too inept to maintain their shit and only goes to the range once every three years or so. So 90% of firearms owners? |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:10:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: I check the dot everyday and replace all batteries every 6 months to a year. First of the year, I swap everything that's got a battery. Even if it's pretty new... gets it in the rotation. Easy for me to remember. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:11:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmacs69: So 90% of firearms owners? If someone isn't committed to maintaining their equipment than I have nothing for them. Some people drive their vehicle to empty. I wouldn't suggest that though. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:17:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmacs69: So 90% of firearms owners? The shitty maintenance habits of most gun owners makes RDS bad. Got it. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:20:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: First of the year, I swap everything that's got a battery. Even if it's pretty new... gets it in the rotation. Easy for me to remember. Cheap and easy. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:45:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmacs69: So 90% of firearms owners? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmacs69: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By madmacs69: You kind of still need to know and understand them... You put an RDS on your pistol, go to the range. Get used to just pointing in the general direction and putting the dot on the target. Everything is cool. Then you go home... and it sits and the battery goes dead. Then you actually NEED to use it... so just put the target in the big window that doesn't have a dot anymore and hope? This would certainly be a concern for someone who is too inept to maintain their shit and only goes to the range once every three years or so. So 90% of firearms owners? 
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:49:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: The shitty maintenance habits of most gun owners makes RDS bad. Got it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Originally Posted By madmacs69: So 90% of firearms owners? The shitty maintenance habits of most gun owners makes RDS bad. Got it. Ill be honest, I often don't replace them until they die. What's the regret? Oh no I may have to use the irons for part of a day every few years? Lol. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:54:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: 3 matches/week is a hell of a schedule. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Originally Posted By StevenH: I shot with a guy a few times who removed his sights from his competition gun for a year. He shot three matches a week, for a year, that way. His goal was to be faster. I don’t know if it worked for him or not 3 matches/week is a hell of a schedule. Indeed. I got really serious with USPSA for about 2 years where my schedule was an individual range day on Tuesdays, league shoot on Thursdays, and matches on Saturdays, with dry fire and/or reloading every other night. It became more work than fun and I ended up burning myself out. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:55:33 PM EDT
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We done arguing about a GM skills shooter who didn’t share his USPSA # yet?
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Posted: 5/12/2024 11:58:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAD762: Indeed. I got really serious with USPSA for about 2 years where my schedule was an individual range day on Tuesdays, league shoot on Thursdays, and matches on Saturdays, with dry fire and/or reloading every other night. It became more work than fun and I ended up burning myself out. My schedule was 2 hours of dry fire each day Monday-Thursday, live fire skills check Friday, match Saturday then post match live fire review on Sunday to plan the dry fire program the following week and work on things I got wrong. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:06:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: My schedule was 2 hours of dry fire each day Monday-Thursday, live fire skills check Friday, match Saturday then post match live fire review on Sunday to plan the dry fire program the following week and work on things I got wrong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Originally Posted By JAD762: Indeed. I got really serious with USPSA for about 2 years where my schedule was an individual range day on Tuesdays, league shoot on Thursdays, and matches on Saturdays, with dry fire and/or reloading every other night. It became more work than fun and I ended up burning myself out. My schedule was 2 hours of dry fire each day Monday-Thursday, live fire skills check Friday, match Saturday then post match live fire review on Sunday to plan the dry fire program the following week and work on things I got wrong. Right on. Schedules like that are good when you’re pushing but hard if not impossible to maintain long term. I’ve come to the point that I’m pretty casual with club matches and treat them like practice for the few and far between travel matches I shoot. I hate to admit it but the only time I really dry fire any more is if I develop an annoying hiccup I have to work through. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:07:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 42ATK: We done arguing about a GM skills shooter who didn’t share his USPSA # yet? Does a USPSA # include someone's real name? |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:10:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Does a USPSA # include someone's real name? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By 42ATK: We done arguing about a GM skills shooter who didn’t share his USPSA # yet? Does a USPSA # include someone's real name? In the past members have just posted a screenshot of their classification page with personal info redacted out. It’s a pretty simple thing to do if you want to make that point. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:12:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAD762: In the past members have just posted a screenshot of their classification page with personal info redacted out. It’s a pretty simple thing to do if you want to make that point. Just asking because I have no idea. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:19:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAD762: Right on. Schedules like that are good when you’re pushing but hard if not impossible to maintain long term. I’ve come to the point that I’m pretty casual with club matches and treat them like practice for the few and far between travel matches I shoot. I hate to admit it but the only time I really dry fire any more is if I develop an annoying hiccup I have to work through. Yeah, I think I went a little too hard and burned out. I've been thinking of hopping back into competition, though. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:25:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Just asking because I have no idea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By JAD762: In the past members have just posted a screenshot of their classification page with personal info redacted out. It’s a pretty simple thing to do if you want to make that point. Just asking because I have no idea. Right on. I had to go plug in my number to their lookup widget just to remember the info it puts out. It did give my first name and last initial. I’d be inclined to just do the screenshot with redacted info, myself. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:29:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Yeah, I think I went a little too hard and burned out. I've been thinking of hopping back into competition, though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Originally Posted By JAD762: Right on. Schedules like that are good when you’re pushing but hard if not impossible to maintain long term. I’ve come to the point that I’m pretty casual with club matches and treat them like practice for the few and far between travel matches I shoot. I hate to admit it but the only time I really dry fire any more is if I develop an annoying hiccup I have to work through. Yeah, I think I went a little too hard and burned out. I've been thinking of hopping back into competition, though. I’ve gotten to really enjoy casual competition. It’s enough to keep me sharp, but not too focused I can’t have fun with my friends while I’m there. |
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